So, on a scale of 1-10, how bad is this?

[Evidencebased]

Get that guy out of your life.. And tell the girl, she has to know..

couldn't agree more!

The girl shouldn't have to know, it's unfair on her.

How is it unfair? If a friend of mine got me drunk and then groped me in my sleep, I'd want to know so I could kick his ass.

If the girl's not going to find out at all, it's best not to tell her, so she doesn't have to know. It's the kind thing to do.

That doesn't make any sense. If it's unclear whether or not the guy's going to do more molesting, it would be prudent to tell the girl for her own safety.

Seriously, if I were the girl, I'd want to know. Wouldn't you?

Out of curiosity, yes - it wouldn't do me any good though, it'd just fill me with misery.

I agree that the guy should make sure she doesn't get molested again, though.

The best thing he can do to keep her safe is to tell her. That way she can make an informed decision about whether to hang out with her groping "friend" again. If I were molested in my sleep I would want to know; what if it happened again? What if worse happened? If she doesn't know this guy is dangerous then she's at risk to be raped, full stop. And the OP should warn her.

 

[Dastardly]

Its a symptom of being very pissed.

Yet daily, millions of people manage to get drunk without fondling another person without permission. Imagine that.

We're not told this guy was completely smashed or anything. He seems to remember the whole deal. And it doesn't excuse the behavior. She really ought to know what she's dealing with from this guy, and let her decide whether this is a big deal or not.

That's my whole problem here--this is not a "sweep it under the rug" issue. She should know, and she should decide, because it was her body (and trust) that was infringed upon. The problem is that this guy has already made that decision without her, and is continuing to do so by not sharing that information with her.

As others have noted, the guy's not going to go to jail for this. The worst he can get by fessing up is a bad reputation (earned) and zero chance of ever getting together with this girl. But at least any decision she makes will be a fully-informed one.

So, why not let her know? "Oh, it's not the friend's place to say something," some might say. Well, it wasn't the guy's place to do that, so that ship has already sailed. There's no good reason to be defending this guy (just like there's no good reason for calling for the death penalty). All we really need here is consequence. What's the problem there?

 

[dbdanny]

The only possible justfication for this is that he was probably totally hammered aswell,and when achohol controls you emotion often takes over.
Still, it's a scummy thing to do and i dont think u over reacted

 

[Woodsey]

Its a symptom of being very pissed.

Yet daily, millions of people manage to get drunk without fondling another person without permission. Imagine that.

So? Daily, millions of others do. You don't know where he groped her, you don't know how pissed he was when he did it, you don't know if he felt bad or was proud of it, etc. etc.

People fuck up, and people fuck up majorly (and in different ways) when they're pissed. No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

"Groped" could mean he had his hand on her arse, its hardly the sex crime of the century.

 

[agrajagthetesty]

No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

Do you really think that it's more important for this guy to maintain his close relationship with the victim of his sexual assault than it is for that victim to know that she has been spending time with someone who has violated her body and might possibly do it again?

Really?

 

[Woodsey]

No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

Do you really think that it's more important for this guy to maintain his close relationship with the victim of his sexual assault than it is for that victim to know that she has been spending time with someone who has violated her body and might possibly do it again?

Really?

And what did he do?

 

[Dastardly]

You don't know where he groped her, you don't know how pissed he was when he did it, you don't know if he felt bad or was proud of it, etc. etc.

People fuck up, and people fuck up majorly (and in different ways) when they're pissed. No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

"Groped" could mean he had his hand on her arse, its hardly the sex crime of the century.

I agree. It's hardly the sex crime of the century. Perhaps you thought you were responding to someone else's post, in which that was indicated in any way?

I also agree that the guy fucked up. And yes, we all do, too. Sometimes, it's when we're drunk... and in a rare, few cases, it's because we're drunk (but drunkenness doesn't invent personality traits, it simply amplifies them--scientifically speaking).

None of that is what I'm arguing against.

When we screw up, there are consequences. Even if we didn't "mean" to do it. If I spill ink on my carpet, there's an ink spot. It doesn't mean I did it on purpose, it doesn't mean I'm evil, but it's still there. And I still have to deal with it in some way.

Now, if my screw-up only affects me, that's the end of it. If it affects someone else, however, I don't get to make that call. So it goes for this guy.

Maybe the girl will just say, "Ha! Yeah, we were both pretty drunk. Crazy times!" and shrug it all off. Maybe she'll be a bit wary of the guy, but still keep him around. Maybe she'll go absolutely apeshit insane about what the guy did. Whatever her reaction, she has a right to have one. It's her body, she has a right to know what went on, and she has the right to react in some (informed) way.

If she decides it's harmless, awesome. If she thinks it's hilarious, great! If she thinks it's ridiculously sexy and beds the guy that exact moment, more power to her. And at the same time, if she decides it's disturbing enough not to trust that guy around her again, that's entirely her call.

All you seem to be advocating is keeping her from being able to make any informed decision about this. You, for some unknown reason, think she should be kept in the dark... to what? To protect this guy from what might be the rightful consequences of his indiscretion? Why shouldn't she get a vote on whether or not this is harmless, drunken hilarity?

 

[Evidencebased]

Its a symptom of being very pissed.

Yet daily, millions of people manage to get drunk without fondling another person without permission. Imagine that.

So? Daily, millions of others do. You don't know where he groped her, you don't know how pissed he was when he did it, you don't know if he felt bad or was proud of it, etc. etc.

People fuck up, and people fuck up majorly (and in different ways) when they're pissed. No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

"Groped" could mean he had his hand on her arse, its hardly the sex crime of the century.

Do you know what I do when I fuck up and feel bad about it, drunk or otherwise? I come clean and apologize. Which this guy hasn't done. To remind you, here is the description:

"while she was passed out drunk he 'felt her up'. I asked him what he meant. He said he just kind of groped her or whatever but not actual sex. ... Again, according to him, he didn't actually do the deed and he said he only did it for a few minutes before crashing on the couch"

So no, it wasn't a simple or fleeting "hand on her arse" it was "feeling her up" and "groping" for several minutes. And let's not forget, the OP got in a fight with the guy about whether this was wrong. So obviously the guy did not think that "feeling up" an unconscious girl for "a few minutes" was wrong.

The guy was sober enough to remember what he did and that he did it for several minutes, he didn't tell the girl what he did, he didn't apologize to her, and he didn't agree that it was wrong. This doesn't sound like a mistake by a decent guy, this sounds like practice for a rape by a sexual predator.

 

[xdom125x]

7. Maybe a 7.5 out of 10 with 10 being the worst it can be (I should note that the only thing that would bump that score up would be if he raped her or if he killed her. And by rape, I don't mean any nonconsensual touching, I mean actual putting certain things in certain places).
I think you have to tell her about it. She still trusts this guy and really shouldn't. I get it, he was drunk too but in all honesty, being drunk is kind of like taking the filters off your brain, it won't make you just start doing random stupid shit, it makes it more difficult to not do stupid shit that you were already considering.

Also, can people please not be using hyperbole or over-reacting and knocking the point past 8. There are much much worse things that could have happened and it is a relief that he didn't take it further. (No that doesn't mean that I like what he did, I am just saying it could have been worse and thankfully wasn't.) And putting it at 11 is just plain insulting to people that have had much worse happen in that sort of situation.

I'm not saying what he did was acceptable, but women need to stop screaming RAPE! at the top of their lungs anytime somebody makes an advance on them.

If their genders were reversed, nobody would give a shit if she felt him up. It's a hideous double-standard.

60% of rapes go unreported, with the social stigma attached to rape victims being cited as the #1 reason.

Okay, this question is going to sound really stupid, but how do we know about 60% of rapes going unreported if they y'know, aren't reported?

 

[Woodsey]

Its a symptom of being very pissed.

Yet daily, millions of people manage to get drunk without fondling another person without permission. Imagine that.

So? Daily, millions of others do. You don't know where he groped her, you don't know how pissed he was when he did it, you don't know if he felt bad or was proud of it, etc. etc.

People fuck up, and people fuck up majorly (and in different ways) when they're pissed. No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

"Groped" could mean he had his hand on her arse, its hardly the sex crime of the century.

Do you know what I do when I fuck up and feel bad about it, drunk or otherwise? I come clean and apologize. Which this guy hasn't done. To remind you, here is the description:

"while she was passed out drunk he 'felt her up'. I asked him what he meant. He said he just kind of groped her or whatever but not actual sex. ... Again, according to him, he didn't actually do the deed and he said he only did it for a few minutes before crashing on the couch"

So no, it wasn't a simple or fleeting "hand on her arse" it was "feeling her up" and "groping" for several minutes. And let's not forget, the OP got in a fight with the guy about whether this was wrong. So obviously the guy did not think that "feeling up" an unconscious girl for "a few minutes" was wrong.

The guy was sober enough to remember what he did and that he did it for several minutes, he didn't tell the girl what he did, he didn't apologize to her, and he didn't agree that it was wrong. This doesn't sound like a mistake by a decent guy, this sounds like practice for a rape by a sexual predator.

You're still making assumptions. Hand-on-arse is a grope. Second, the OP doesn't say they had a fight, nor does he particularly indicate that the guy vehemently defended what he'd done (nor does he indicate HOW the guy told him about what happened; did he sound proud of it, for example?).

Now if he his hands inside her pants, that's much different to just having his hand on her arse for a few minutes.

You cannot tell from the OP's description. You can all assume because you want to string up a "future sexual predator", but you don't know, and I think perhaps that you knowing would be a rather key part of giving someone advice about a situation, don't you?

All you can reasonably take from the OP is that the guy touched the girl after a night of drinking, told the OP (and you'd assume he didn't do much more then hold her arse if he told the OP anyway), and doesn't want the girl to know.

And that could be wrong, and I'd be perfectly happy to change my opinion of things if we actually knew. But we don't. And you can't just go to the extreme interpretation of everything just because you want to demonize some guy, which you and 90% of the other people in the thread are doing.

And to clarify: I haven't seen any other posts from the OP, so if the rather ambigiuous first post is cleared up, then quote it to me.

 

[Evidencebased]

Its a symptom of being very pissed.

Yet daily, millions of people manage to get drunk without fondling another person without permission. Imagine that.

So? Daily, millions of others do. You don't know where he groped her, you don't know how pissed he was when he did it, you don't know if he felt bad or was proud of it, etc. etc.

People fuck up, and people fuck up majorly (and in different ways) when they're pissed. No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

"Groped" could mean he had his hand on her arse, its hardly the sex crime of the century.

Do you know what I do when I fuck up and feel bad about it, drunk or otherwise? I come clean and apologize. Which this guy hasn't done. To remind you, here is the description:

"while she was passed out drunk he 'felt her up'. I asked him what he meant. He said he just kind of groped her or whatever but not actual sex. ... Again, according to him, he didn't actually do the deed and he said he only did it for a few minutes before crashing on the couch"

So no, it wasn't a simple or fleeting "hand on her arse" it was "feeling her up" and "groping" for several minutes. And let's not forget, the OP got in a fight with the guy about whether this was wrong. So obviously the guy did not think that "feeling up" an unconscious girl for "a few minutes" was wrong.

The guy was sober enough to remember what he did and that he did it for several minutes, he didn't tell the girl what he did, he didn't apologize to her, and he didn't agree that it was wrong. This doesn't sound like a mistake by a decent guy, this sounds like practice for a rape by a sexual predator.

You're still making assumptions. Hand-on-arse is a grope. Second, the OP doesn't say they had a fight, nor does he particularly indicate that the guy vehemently defended what he'd done (nor does he indicate HOW the guy told him about what happened; did he sound proud of it, for example?).

Now if he his hands inside her pants, that's much different to just having his hand on her arse for a few minutes.

You cannot tell from the OP's description. You can all assume because you want to string up a "future sexual predator", but you don't know, and I think perhaps that you knowing would be a rather key part of giving someone advice about a situation, don't you?

All you can reasonably take from the OP is that the guy touched the girl after a night of drinking, told the OP (and you'd assume he didn't do much more then hold her arse if he told the OP anyway), and doesn't want the girl to know.

And that could be wrong, and I'd be perfectly happy to change my opinion of things if we actually knew. But we don't. And you can't just go to the extreme interpretation of everything just because you want to demonize some guy, which you and 90% of the other people in the thread are doing.

And to clarify: I haven't seen any other posts from the OP, so if the rather ambigiuous first post is cleared up, then quote it to me.

Yes, the OP said they had a fight: "But I want your opinion on this because I don't feel right about it and got into a huge fight over it." If he thought it was wrong, and ended up fighting with the friend about whether it was wrong, clearly they disagreed therefore the friend likely did not think (or admit) it was wrong.

And the friend didn't say "a grope" he said "felt her up... for a few minutes" -- maybe to you that sounds like he simply placed his hand on her ass but I personally doubt he would characterize a single touch as several minutes of "groping", and feel it necessary to explain he didn't have actual sex with her. That sounds like more than an ass pat to me (and the OP obviously got the impression it was more than an ass pat too, because he was disgusted.) And it sounds like more than as ass pat because the friend doesn't want the girl to know, either -- surely she would shrug off "just" a hand on the ass, if they're such close friends?

Besides, no one's talking about "stringing up" anyone, Mr. Hyperbole. We're saying the girl should be told what the OP was told. If he was told the friend "felt her up... for a few minutes" then that's the wording he should use, not any of this silly hand-on-arse imagining you're contriving to make it sound as innocent as possible.

No one is demonizing the friend, we're taking him at his word. He said he groped an unconscious girl for several minutes. Period. The only way to make that sound acceptable is to start making up stuff like you are, about how harmless it probably was, when the friend himself seems to think it wasn't harmless (because he argued about it, and doesn't want the girl to find out.) Not the behavior of a totally innocent guy who accidentally ass-patted a girl and is sorry, now is it?

 

[KaizokuouHasu]

If she was legitimately knocked out, like, cold on the mattress because she passed out, I'd say that is crossing the line. At least he didn't rape her or something. That would be a sticky situation...

Edit: Yes, I know what I said and there is a reason I said it. Congrats on many of you catching my joke.

Muahaha! Little do you know, but rape doesn't equal penetrative sex! If she was drunk she already there can't consent to sex, because she is not of stable mind. If the was unconscious, she can't consent at all. If he got sexually involved with her what he did was statutory rape. If she wants to press charges, he'll be done for rape regardless of how much she trusts/trusted him.

On a scale from 1-10 in how bad this was, 10 being veeeeeeeery bad...

...he scores a remarkable 300, because the fucking idiot sexually violated an unconscious individual. You heard me. VIOLATED!

First of all, no this is not me I'm talking about here. Seriously. But I want your opinion on this because I don't feel right about it and got into a huge fight over it.

I hope it isn't, because if it was, you could spend years behind bars. Soap bars!

 

[Woodsey]

Its a symptom of being very pissed.

Yet daily, millions of people manage to get drunk without fondling another person without permission. Imagine that.

So? Daily, millions of others do. You don't know where he groped her, you don't know how pissed he was when he did it, you don't know if he felt bad or was proud of it, etc. etc.

People fuck up, and people fuck up majorly (and in different ways) when they're pissed. No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

"Groped" could mean he had his hand on her arse, its hardly the sex crime of the century.

Do you know what I do when I fuck up and feel bad about it, drunk or otherwise? I come clean and apologize. Which this guy hasn't done. To remind you, here is the description:

"while she was passed out drunk he 'felt her up'. I asked him what he meant. He said he just kind of groped her or whatever but not actual sex. ... Again, according to him, he didn't actually do the deed and he said he only did it for a few minutes before crashing on the couch"

So no, it wasn't a simple or fleeting "hand on her arse" it was "feeling her up" and "groping" for several minutes. And let's not forget, the OP got in a fight with the guy about whether this was wrong. So obviously the guy did not think that "feeling up" an unconscious girl for "a few minutes" was wrong.

The guy was sober enough to remember what he did and that he did it for several minutes, he didn't tell the girl what he did, he didn't apologize to her, and he didn't agree that it was wrong. This doesn't sound like a mistake by a decent guy, this sounds like practice for a rape by a sexual predator.

You're still making assumptions. Hand-on-arse is a grope. Second, the OP doesn't say they had a fight, nor does he particularly indicate that the guy vehemently defended what he'd done (nor does he indicate HOW the guy told him about what happened; did he sound proud of it, for example?).

Now if he his hands inside her pants, that's much different to just having his hand on her arse for a few minutes.

You cannot tell from the OP's description. You can all assume because you want to string up a "future sexual predator", but you don't know, and I think perhaps that you knowing would be a rather key part of giving someone advice about a situation, don't you?

All you can reasonably take from the OP is that the guy touched the girl after a night of drinking, told the OP (and you'd assume he didn't do much more then hold her arse if he told the OP anyway), and doesn't want the girl to know.

And that could be wrong, and I'd be perfectly happy to change my opinion of things if we actually knew. But we don't. And you can't just go to the extreme interpretation of everything just because you want to demonize some guy, which you and 90% of the other people in the thread are doing.

And to clarify: I haven't seen any other posts from the OP, so if the rather ambigiuous first post is cleared up, then quote it to me.

Yes, the OP said they had a fight: "But I want your opinion on this because I don't feel right about it and got into a huge fight over it." If he thought it was wrong, and ended up fighting with the friend about whether it was wrong, clearly they disagreed therefore the friend likely did not think (or admit) it was wrong.

And the friend didn't say "a grope" he said "felt her up... for a few minutes" -- maybe to you that sounds like he simply placed his hand on her ass but I personally doubt he would characterize a single touch as several minutes of "groping", and feel it necessary to explain he didn't have actual sex with her. That sounds like more than an ass pat to me (and the OP obviously got the impression it was more than an ass pat too, because he was disgusted.) And it sounds like more than as ass pat because the friend doesn't want the girl to know, either -- surely she would shrug off "just" a hand on the ass, if they're such close friends?

Besides, no one's talking about "stringing up" anyone, Mr. Hyperbole. We're saying the girl should be told what the OP was told. If he was told the friend "felt her up... for a few minutes" then that's the wording he should use, not any of this silly hand-on-arse imagining you're contriving to make it sound as innocent as possible.

No one is demonizing the friend, we're taking him at his word. He said he groped an unconscious girl for several minutes. Period. The only way to make that sound acceptable is to start making up stuff like you are, about how harmless it probably was, when the friend himself seems to think it wasn't harmless (because he argued about it, and doesn't want the girl to find out.) Not the behavior of a totally innocent guy who accidentally ass-patted a girl and is sorry, now is it?

Fair catch on the fight part, but you're still assuming. Did they argue because the friend didn't want the OP to tell? Did they argue because the friend felt it was perfectly acceptable? Did they argue because the friend didn't think it was as bad as the OP?

And I was just putting a little perspective on the range of things "felt her up" could mean. Just because you and the others have assumed it is at the more extreme end of the spectrum doesn't make it more likely or more true.

"Mr. Hyperbole"

Right, and the friend being a future sex predator because he got pissed and did something (to our and the OPs knowledge) that he hasn't done before isn't hyperbole at all.

And like I said, it depends on how he told the OP. If he felt guilty or stupid about it and told him (and no, feeling guilty or stupid about it doesn't indicate the worst possible situation either), then the subsequent argument is more likely to be defensive because he already felt bad. If he gloated then the argument is more likely because he didn't feel he did anything wrong - now that is when I would start having some concerns.

Based on what's in the OP (who is presenting a biased opinion to some extent anyway), I don't think there's enough to warrant telling the girl. If there was more to go on, I might change my mind. It wouldn't exactly need to be much more serious to swing it, but as it is I would personally think you're going to end up with a worse situation between three friends.

I don't agree with what the friend did incidentally (I'm sure you'd like to paint me as the Chairman of the Pro Rape Committee by now), I just thing a little damage control would seem more appropriate for situation as it has been described so far.

 

[Hamish Durie]

well he told you about it instead of lying or not telling you
he was drunk and your not you when your drunk
it could've been alot worse
just forgive him no harm was done

 

[Evidencebased]

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Fair catch on the fight part, but you're still assuming. Did they argue because the friend didn't want the OP to tell? Did they argue because the friend felt it was perfectly acceptable? Did they argue because the friend didn't think it was as bad as the OP?

And I was just putting a little perspective on the range of things "felt her up" could mean. Just because you and the others have assumed it is at the more extreme end of the spectrum doesn't make it more likely or more true.

"Mr. Hyperbole"

Right, and the friend being a future sex predator because he got pissed and did something (to our and the OPs knowledge) that he hasn't done before isn't hyperbole at all.

And like I said, it depends on how he told the OP. If he felt guilty or stupid about it and told him (and no, feeling guilty or stupid about it doesn't indicate the worst possible situation either), then the subsequent argument is more likely to be defensive because he already felt bad. If he gloated then the argument is more likely because he didn't feel he did anything wrong - now that is when I would start having some concerns.

Based on what's in the OP (who is presenting a biased opinion to some extent anyway), I don't think there's enough to warrant telling the girl. If there was more to go on, I might change my mind. It wouldn't exactly need to be much more serious to swing it, but as it is I would personally think you're going to end up with a worse situation between three friends.

I don't agree with what the friend did incidentally (I'm sure you'd like to paint me as the Chairman of the Pro Rape Committee by now), I just thing a little damage control would seem more appropriate for situation as it has been described so far.

Maybe it really all was totally innocent -- as totally innocent as groping an unconscious girl can ever be -- but even then I think she deserves to know. Worst case scenario if he does tell her is she gets angry and stops hanging out with the friend. Worst case scenario if he doesn't tell her... she gets sexually assaulted further (because yes, this counts as sexual assault) and the OP did nothing to prevent it even though he could have. "Damage control" means telling her. I'd rather take my chances with her getting angry than her getting raped.

This isn't to punish the friend, it's to help the girl. If she laughs it off and keeps drinking with the friend I'm fine with that. But she needs to be able to make the decision for herself whether she can still trust this guy -- the OP can't decide for her that she shouldn't know about her own sexual assault.

 

[Woodsey]

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Fair catch on the fight part, but you're still assuming. Did they argue because the friend didn't want the OP to tell? Did they argue because the friend felt it was perfectly acceptable? Did they argue because the friend didn't think it was as bad as the OP?

And I was just putting a little perspective on the range of things "felt her up" could mean. Just because you and the others have assumed it is at the more extreme end of the spectrum doesn't make it more likely or more true.

"Mr. Hyperbole"

Right, and the friend being a future sex predator because he got pissed and did something (to our and the OPs knowledge) that he hasn't done before isn't hyperbole at all.

And like I said, it depends on how he told the OP. If he felt guilty or stupid about it and told him (and no, feeling guilty or stupid about it doesn't indicate the worst possible situation either), then the subsequent argument is more likely to be defensive because he already felt bad. If he gloated then the argument is more likely because he didn't feel he did anything wrong - now that is when I would start having some concerns.

Based on what's in the OP (who is presenting a biased opinion to some extent anyway), I don't think there's enough to warrant telling the girl. If there was more to go on, I might change my mind. It wouldn't exactly need to be much more serious to swing it, but as it is I would personally think you're going to end up with a worse situation between three friends.

I don't agree with what the friend did incidentally (I'm sure you'd like to paint me as the Chairman of the Pro Rape Committee by now), I just thing a little damage control would seem more appropriate for situation as it has been described so far.

Maybe it really all was totally innocent -- as totally innocent as groping an unconscious girl can ever be -- but even then I think she deserves to know. Worst case scenario if he does tell her is she gets angry and stops hanging out with the friend. Worst case scenario if he doesn't tell her... she gets sexually assaulted further (because yes, this counts as sexual assault) and the OP did nothing to prevent it even though he could have. "Damage control" means telling her. I'd rather take my chances with her getting angry than her getting raped.

This isn't to punish the friend, it's to help the girl. If she laughs it off and keeps drinking with the friend I'm fine with that. But she needs to be able to make the decision for herself whether she can still trust this guy -- the OP can't decide for her that she shouldn't know about her own sexual assault.

Fine, I can see that, and like I said I'd try and keep an eye on the friend, but the impression I get of the OP's feelings on it are ones of indignation, not "this girl is in trouble if she hangs around with this guy anymore."

 

[Evidencebased]

well he told you about it instead of lying or not telling you
he was drunk and your not you when your drunk
it could've been alot worse
just forgive him no harm was done

I'm not "me" when I'm drunk, but I'm not a rapist either. Alcohol does not turn people into rapists if they weren't already thinking about raping someone, and it doesn't make you grope someone if you weren't already pretty okay with the idea of groping them. If someone tells you otherwise they are lying.

And why does the OP have to forgive him? He wasn't sexually assaulted, the girl was. She should be the one who decides if the friend is forgiven.

 

[agrajagthetesty]

No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

Do you really think that it's more important for this guy to maintain his close relationship with the victim of his sexual assault than it is for that victim to know that she has been spending time with someone who has violated her body and might possibly do it again?

Really?

And what did he do?

I told you that in my original post. He sexually assaulted her. Meaning, he sexually touched her without her consent.

 

[Woodsey]

No need to fuck him over with this girl just because he made a little mistake whilst pissed.

Do you really think that it's more important for this guy to maintain his close relationship with the victim of his sexual assault than it is for that victim to know that she has been spending time with someone who has violated her body and might possibly do it again?

Really?

And what did he do?

I told you that in my original post. He sexually assaulted her. Meaning, he sexually touched her without her consent.

No, specifically, what did he do?

And you can see my summary of the whole thing a few posts up anyway.

 

[Svenparty]

I just feel more sorry for your friend knowing his fate is being vastly voted on in an 11 page thread. Did he begin his confession "Don't tell anyone this" or what? It clearly can't be out of concern for the girl because your telling us instead of her.