So, on a scale of 1-10, how bad is this?

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Sizzle Montyjing

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A violation of trust, and just a sick, peverted thing to do.
Next time you see him, punch him in the face and say 'from the internet with love'.

Seriously that if a fucked up thing to do.
 

MadManV27

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JoJoDeathunter said:
You aren't over-reacting at-all, that's absolutely disgusting and one of the most disrespectful things I can imagine to do to a friend, not to mention illegal since she didn't give consent.
totally agree: your friends a *insert insult here* for that!! (dont want to get in trouble for swearing there) it lower then low!!!! your a better man then your buddy
 

Raiha

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i would put that about a 9. your friend is a scumbag and you should tell the girl what he did.
 

Burningsok

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on a scale of how bad it could have gotten, 1 being not bad at all and 10 being absolutely horrible, this is probably a 6. It could of been waaay worse.

still though, you didn't over-react at all. He should have never done that at all. I would feel disgusted as well. That should never be condoned, especially when it's a friend.

Edit: meh, on second thought, about 8.
 

Vivi22

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Am I overreacting?
It's probably been said plenty of times already but no, you aren't overreacting. Your friend basically sexually assaulted her which is a crime and a violation of her and her body. Frankly, even though I realize this guy is a friend of yours, this girl needs to know, if only so she knows she can't trust this guy anymore, if not so she can decide whether or not she wants to press charges.
 

mental_looney

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As it's been said previously that's an 11!
She trusted him and he took advantage of that, yes you do stupid things when drunk but come on that's sexual assault almost.

It's not something he did sober admitedly but she should know so she can decide if she still wants to trust him in situations like that.
 

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Keyword drunk. If she'd had enough to pass out, then he'd probably had enough to have zero percent judgement. Its just awkward really, like when you feel bad about pissing in your friend's lemonade, even though it seemed like a good idea at the time.
 

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mental_looney said:
yes you do stupid things when drunk but come on that's sexual assault almost.
I think this sentence would be more accurate if you lose the almost unless I'm just not clear on how the law defines sexual assault. I know his being drunk and how much he drank would probably come into play in determining the charges and the severity of any potential punishment, but let's call a spade a spade.
 

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Vivi22 said:
mental_looney said:
yes you do stupid things when drunk but come on that's sexual assault almost.
I think this sentence would be more accurate if you lose the almost unless I'm just not clear on how the law defines sexual assault. I know his being drunk and how much he drank would probably come into play in determining the charges and the severity of any potential punishment, but let's call a spade a spade.
True but I'm not too clear on the laws where they are so just don't want to claim something i'm not 100% sure of.

But yeah it's horrible and could be prosectuted criminally in alot of places.
 

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You are absolutely not overreacting. He crossed a line, and he deserved the telling-off you gave him. I hope that poor girl knows to avoid him, too. Being drunk is never a free pass to assault, and it's definitely not something that counts as consent.
 

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I'm not going to say that if I was in your friend I wouldn't have thought of that, but "for a few minutes"? c'mon. On the other hand I also would have made my move before she was passing out.
 

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AstylahAthrys said:
That is horrible. If a guy ever did that to me, I'd want to know so I could call the cops. Being drunk is no excuse, and if she is in a state where she can't say "yes," it's an implied "no" and it's sexual assault. He's a pervert.
Problem with this is , she cant testify that he did do anything , because she was out cold , and they didnt have sex , best that can happen is she get a restraining order .

OT : ignorance is bliss , i wouldn't tell the girl because well bros before h...erm... Guys before wiv... Well um , guys stick together , but give him a punch in the face and tell him not to do it again . He stoped himself from raping her i think he deserves some merit from that , at least the benifit of a doubt that he isn't a horrible person , a lot of people wouldn't have stopped there.
 

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Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's just gross and a break of trust. I mean, if 10 was going all the way while she was unconscious, it's at least an 8.

If 10 was something like a genocide, though, then it'd be like a 3. See, you need to properly set the scales before asking something like that.
 

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He stoped himself from raping her i think he deserves some merit from that , at least the benifit of a doubt that he isn't a horrible person , a lot of people wouldn't have stopped there.
Wait, so now people deserve credit for not doing things even worse than what they have in fact done? A guy who murdered someone would deserve credit because "hey, at least he wasn't a serial killer, some people wouldn't stop after one murder"? Hell no - this man sexually assaulted someone who trusted him. In no way does he deserve merit just because he didn't commit the even more hideous crime of rape.
 

blackcapedmanx

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I'm going to actually take a stab at this 1-10 thing, because it looks like we're mostly pretty bad at assigning values on a bounded linear scale.

Zero is consensual anything, the control value. The low end, a 1, we'll say as misreading signals and advancing a kiss on an unwilling recipient. Awkward, but an honest mistake and in the end no real harm done.

A 10, so we're firm on this, would be abduction-rape-dismemberment-murder of a child. If we establish this as our 10, I think the drunken fondling of an unconscious friend is comparably pretty tame, hardly as extreme as an 8.
So lets work down from here. At 9 we have drug raping an adult (9.5 is probably where drug-rape-murder of a non-child sits, and anything else relating to children is in the 9 to 10 range.) 8 would be assault rape of a stranger (the only reason drug rape is higher is because, while assault rape is cruel and animalistic, drug rape requires conscientious forethought on the part of the offender. Since apparently most rape is committed by someone known to the victim, straight up date rape is still a 9.)
At a 7 there's the "rape of passion," ("no means no" but maybe you were too drunk to hear her or between the both of you there was enough inebriation that communication didn't quite get conveyed. 7 is around the point where there might be some level of mutual attraction, but sex was explicitly not on agenda, and sex happened anyway. Also at 7 is not informing your partner of STDs, even if they consent to sex.) At a 6 we're moving out of the clearly-it-was-rape category and down into regrettable sexual activity, like maybe y'all was drunk and she didn't say no but maybe wasn't quite on the page to say yes, or like, should have used a condom and somehow that step was left out and one of the the people involved was not cool after the fact.
At a 5 we drop out of the having sex entirely stage and start picking up non-consensual activities that are not strictly intercourse. This is the kind of thing that gets reasonably traumatizing but doesn't pose a physiological risk for long-term damage, while still being intentionally malicious. Here we've got stuff like breaking into a bathroom while someone is showering (this actually happened at my school, needless to say, the kid was expelled,) circulating photos that were not meant to be circulated, or unsolicited genital contact (either in presenting one's own, or aggressively engaging someone else's.) Down at 4 is where we would start to see non-malicious, unsolicited (or regrettable,) non-intercourse, sexual activity. Here is where I would put things like a couple of drunk kids making out etc who would never consider it otherwise, pantsing someone in a situation where it's obviously not in good fun and they clearly feel violated about it later, or flashing one's junk at a non-appreciative party. Things that might be run of the mill in some crazy situations, but given particular circumstance are not cool with someone involved.
3 gets down to advances in good faith that are more severe then kissing, but nonetheless considered a violation by the recipient. Unwanted groping, sending of explicit photos that the recipient doesn't want, perhaps engaging in some activity in public that one member of exchange is cool with in private but is totally not down to in public. Also under three are malicious advances that do not involve physical contact or aggressive invasion of privacy, things like non-invasive voyeurism (if you can be seen changing in your window from the street, there is definitely a degree to which it is your fault for not covering the window... I think there are even some absurd cases where people have been prosecuted for indecent exposure in their own homes because they were visible from public property,) or infrequent verbal or textual harassment without any physical contact (this kind of stuff can get pretty severe even with out contact, and probably gets up into the 7+ range when you have straight up stalking and considerable fear for personal safety.)
Finally 2 gets down to things like ogling a lady's ass, or the kind of schoolyard dares where you run up and kiss someone who is not pleased with this. Practically harmless, but unsolicited and obviously not potentially signaled for by the offended party.

So, given an exhaustive listing of scale, where would I place the offense of the initial party in question? 3 to 5, depending on the level of tolerance by the drunk girl, and pending appraisal. She might be actually psychologically injured by it, in which case it could go above a 5 merely for severity (some people feel violated if you so much as accidentally bump them, and is their prerogative to do so, though given the circumstances I doubt this is the case.) She might be livid, but more on principle than actual offence, where I would give it a 4. Or she might be like, "dude, ew, I mean, I'm no worse for the wear, but seriously, that's skeezy," which would be all a 3. Or, given my argument in my earlier post, there's always the possibility that she's all, "finally, can we just get to it already?" in which case it wouldn't register. (Also some people are just into stuff like that, which I mean, go them, I guess, and again, if they take no offence then none given, so that would also be a 0.)
 

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Your not overreacting that's just fucked up. I had a friend who tried to take advantage of a drunk girl and I almost had to fight him to stop his advances, and I never spoke to him again.
 

DannyJBeckett

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Dude that's as far over the line as you can go.

If someone makes sexual contact with someone but they were in no capable position to even say yes, that's rape.
 

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agrajagthetesty said:
krazykidd said:
He stoped himself from raping her i think he deserves some merit from that , at least the benifit of a doubt that he isn't a horrible person , a lot of people wouldn't have stopped there.
Wait, so now people deserve credit for not doing things even worse than what they have in fact done? A guy who murdered someone would deserve credit because "hey, at least he wasn't a serial killer, some people wouldn't stop after one murder"? Hell no - this man sexually assaulted someone who trusted him. In no way does he deserve merit just because he didn't commit the even more hideous crime of rape.
You miss understand , he stoped himself , he realised what he was doing was wrong and stoped , there was nothing preventing him from continuing on . And the example you gave wasn't fair . It's as if you were in a fight with someone , you had him pinned down and you are wailing on him , and you stop yourself before seriously hurting or potentially killing him. Yes it is still wrong , yes you are still guilty of assault , but at least you stoped yourself before commiting killing the guy .
 

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Dude, that's definitely very rapey. I mean to turn it on it's head, what if you passed out drunk and he fondled your junk? That's pretty fucking sick.