So what exactly are the people at Nintendo thinking?

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

I don't know why people think Nintendo should release new IPs for the Wii U when

1) Nintendo has made new IPs in the past, and they didn't sell

2) The Wii U is not doing well, and has a low install base.

To counter your first point, the last in-house Nintendo IP that has been made was Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and Wii Music. Before that, if we're to go by an actual game and not an excuse to exercise then the last IP Nintendo made was Pikmin back in 2001.

Right, because Dillons Rolling Western, Pushmo/Crashmo, and Harmoknights don't count for some reason... (All released in the 2010s)

Gotta love people moving goal posts or ignoring the obvious with that. Furthermore, I find people whining about Nintendo still making Mario and Zelda to be like people whining about James Bond films still being made or Batman, Superman, the X-Men, etc still being around. Those series keep having entries made because there's a DEMAND for them. This isn't complicated.

 

[Roxas1359]

Gotta love people moving goal posts or ignoring the obvious with that. Furthermore, I find people whining about Nintendo still making Mario and Zelda to be like people whining about James Bond films still being made or Batman, Superman, the X-Men, etc still being around. Those series keep having entries made because there's a DEMAND for them. This isn't complicated.

And I said in the post after that that I had never even heard of those games before because they were never advertised. I admitted I was wrong, but that still doesn't change the fact that it wasn't advertised. Plus I was also thinking more about Nintendo-EAD instead of Vanpool (makers of Dillon's Rolling Western), Intelligent Systems (makers of Pushmo and Crashmo), and Game Freak (Harmoknights creator). It would be nice for Nintendo-EAD to make a new IP because it would definitely get advertised.

 

[VG_Addict]

Is Nintendo holding the industry back with their hardware, bad online, and rehashes?

 

[Roxas1359]

Is Nintendo holding the industry back with their hardware, bad online, and rehashes?

No, but they are too proud to admit that there are some things that their competition has done that would be quite nice to use as well. They do use a cookie-cutter format for their games, but they at least manage to spice it up a little bit to make them interesting (NSMB2 and NSMBWU notwithstanding in this case), but there are things they can do better.

Their use of proprietary drives and discs is fine, but then to region lock on top of it is just arbitrary, especially since many games are never localized in the first place here. Plus it's not like people could just burn an ISO to a disc and then try to play it on a Wii U because the Wii U only recognizes Nintendo Optical Discs which aren't available on the open market for good reason.

Their online is nice for now, but it will be truly tested for when the new Smash Brothers comes out, because let's face it the online system for Brawl was absolutely horrendous in how it worked and was terribly laggy. Heck the only game that actually worked decently was Mario Kart Wii's online really.

On the company itself though there is 1 major thing I have to ask myself, why do they hate Ethernet ports? I mean the GameCube is understandable as online gaming was still new, and the Wii is understandable as well because really the only games people would wanna play online would be either Mario Kart Wii or Brawl. But for the Wii U it makes absolutely no sense as to why they didn't include one on the back of the console because they don't take up space. Yes their wireless adapter in the console is decent, but I still prefer having a wired connection over a wireless one.

 

[VG_Addict]

Why do people say the Wii U is underpowered?

Wii PS3 360
CPU 729 MHz / 1 core 3.2 GHz / 1 core + 6 SPEs 3.2 GHz / 3 cores
GPU 243 MHz 550 MHz 550 MHz
RAM 88 MB + 3 MB GPU 256 MB + 256 MB CPU 512 MB combined

Wii U PS4 XBone
CPU 1.24 GHz / 3 cores 1.6(?) GHz / 8 cores 1.75 GHz / 8 cores
GPU 550 MHz 1.8 GHz + 18 CU 1.86 GHz + 12 CU
RAM 2 GB (1 GB for OS)

It's CLEARLY more powerful than the PS3 and 360.

 

[lapan]

Is Nintendo holding the industry back with their hardware, bad online, and rehashes?

That would be true for the entire console market. The entire point of consoles is to have a lower hardware, but fixed spec environment.

 

[Roxas1359]

Why do people say the Wii U is underpowered?

Wii PS3 360
CPU 729 MHz / 1 core 3.2 GHz / 1 core + 6 SPEs 3.2 GHz / 3 cores
GPU 243 MHz 550 MHz 550 MHz
RAM 88 MB + 3 MB GPU 256 MB + 256 MB CPU 512 MB combined

Wii U PS4 XBone
CPU 1.24 GHz / 3 cores 1.6(?) GHz / 8 cores 1.75 GHz / 8 cores
GPU 550 MHz 1.8 GHz + 18 CU 1.86 GHz + 12 CU
RAM 2 GB (1 GB for OS)

It's CLEARLY more powerful than the PS3 and 360.

Because you are comparing a new console to 2 consoles that were released back in 2006 (PS3) and 2005(Xbox 360). If the Wii U wasn't more powerful than those two then Nintendo would really get more flak because they'd be selling you the cheapest technology for a huge mark up, basically they'd be pulling an Apple.

The Wii U is decent, but it's barely more powerful than previous generation consoles, and while that doesn't matter in the case of graphics the more RAM for games is a better thing because then it can run smoother...

 

[VG_Addict]

Actually, those numbers show that it's 2-3x more powerful.

 

[Roxas1359]

Actually, those numbers show that it's 2-3x more powerful.

And, my point still stands that if they weren't then there'd be something really wrong with Nintendo because that tech is extremely cheap nowadays when compared to how it was back with the PS3 and 360 launched 7-8 years ago.

 

[IceForce]

It's CLEARLY more powerful than the PS3 and 360.

You're comparing across generations. Comparisons should only be made WITHIN generations.

Also, can you quote people when addressing them directly? Otherwise your posts look very spammy and random, if they're aimed at no one in particular.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

Haven't the slightest, but what it does works for them and in a perfect world they'd be developing their games for all systems, but I digress. What I do know is that it has been working for them and when it stops I can look forward to the dissolution from console manufacturer to publisher.

I would say however that Bayonetta 2 being a Wii-U exclusive sums up my feelings about the Wii-U and Nintendo in general. Whilst i did like Bayonetta (and the Wii) to start off, over time once I had my "fun" with it, it felt like a waste. I wasn't that hot for Bayonetta (ironically consider the characters all about sex appeal, might be the glasses, don't know) and once I ejected the disk from the console I never put it back in, and the Wii got unplugged to be used at my sisters party only for me not to plug it back in once I got it back.

So whilst the Wii and Bayonetta butters a niche groups crumpet (and I'm subsequently Hitler for not thinking it was gods gift to man), the market should have a sense of diversity to meet a variety of tastes.

 

[lapan]

Whilst i did like Bayonetta (and the Wii) to start off, over time once I had my "fun" with it, it felt like a waste. I wasn't that hot for Bayonetta (ironically consider the characters all about sex appeal, might be the glasses, don't know) and once I ejected the disk from the console I never put it back in, and the Wii got unplugged to be used at my sisters party only for me not to plug it back in once I got it back.

Bayonetta 1 never was on the Wii, and Bayonetta 2 isn't out yet...

So whilst the Wii and Bayonetta butters a niche groups crumpet (and I'm subsequently Hitler for not thinking it was gods gift to man), the market should have a sense of diversity to meet a variety of tastes.

If you aren't into niche games you can still buy the 2 more mainstream consoles.

 

[beastro]

A friend of mine described it quite well, Sony and Microsoft are media software/hardware companies, and that's how they see themselves and that's what they will push for. Nintendo, Nintendo is different, Nintendo is a toy company, they aren't interested in anything but making and selling the best toys. and i think it shows.

Nintendo has a nice little niche market around that. They're out of the console wars and are content in their own little world.

I can see why. After abandoning consoles in 2000, all I can see them as is shitty little computers, but Nintendo designs theirs differently enough that they escape that trap and aim to be a system of entertainment in the old fashioned way.

IMO, those who run Nintendo learned a lesson after N64, saw where the battle with the likes of Sony was taking them and wanted to go back simple things like they were in the 80s and early 90s.

 

[Dragonbums]

But if not even SM3DW did anything, what's the point in keeping the Wii U alive? And it will probably be Nintendo's last home console.

No, the Wii U will do fine but Nintendo needs to get their act together when it comes to advertising and they have to be pretty aggressive about it I'd say.
Now if Smash Bros U or Mario Kart 8 don't move slews of consoles then nothing will. Especially in the case of Smash Bros because those games are pretty much the definitive killer app for Nintendo at this point.

Might not happen for Europe though. Nintendo had a good chunk of commercials over there banned because they were misleading.

What was misleading you ask?

Well, not all games can be played on the Wii U gamepad alone. It was pretty fucking petty of them to ban the commercial for that if you ask me.

But now you have Europenas seeing the ads for two weeks, and then all of a sudden, they don't see them anymore.

That's more on Nintendo because they should know that they have to tred carefully in Europe. European laws have been like that for a while and they could easily modify their commercials so that they can be played. Any reluctance to change their ads is on them and they get no sympathy because EU laws, will at times are outrageous, aren't going anywhere and have been in place long enough for Nintendo to advertise. Not to mention that if both MS and Sony are able to advertise just fine in Europe then Nintendo is at fault here.

But it could be Nintendo's last home console.

Highly doubt that, but I do suspect the Wii U will go the route of the GameCube and production of them will cease. That's the only thing that allowed Nintendo to make a profit in the 6th gen, because they no longer had to manufacture the consoles, just the games (the discs), controllers, memory cards, and any peripherals mainly.

Yeah, I guesss that makes sense. Nintendo should of seen it coming.

However I'm also sure that they didn't think something like that would set them off. You know seeing as how they didn't say all games can play off the gamepad. They just listed it as a feature.
That's like banning the Xbox One for stating that it's an all in one entertainment hub, but it can't browse the internet.

Oh well I guess. Like you said, they just have to make a new commercial.

 

[Dragonbums]

Actually, those numbers show that it's 2-3x more powerful.

I'm just going to butt in here and say that you should really utilize the reply feature. That way people know that your talking to them and they aren't obligated to having to check back on this thread to know if you replied to them or not.

It also saves you from getting a warnings on low content posts.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

Bayonetta 1 never was on the Wii, and Bayonetta 2 isn't out yet...

I played it on my console that was still plugged in, but the feeling is roughly the same. Also I highly doubt my issues with the game will be resolved in the sequel, as my personal issues are mine, and conforming to them would most likely be a detriment to what people liked about it.

If you aren't into niche games you can still buy the 2 more mainstream consoles.

Well niche is a very roundabout term, as there can be very different kinds of niches. I'm probably the only person on the escapist forums that gets excited for inFamous, but I've acknowledge that I have the most selective taste of them all.