So what if I pirate games, why should you care?

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Most of the time, I buy my PC games, then download the no-cd crack for it. In general, pirates do simply because they can. I cannot take a high horse in this argument because in the past I've been a part of the problem, though since discovering steam about 2 years ago, I find myself re-buying games I already own or downloaded elsewhere and have a library approaching 250 games now.

Downloading a pirated copy has several benefits...no waiting for release dates (which may vary around the globe), cracks bypass intrusive DRM, often no need for a disc to install/play and above all, convenience. It is possible to get a game swiftly without waiting on release dates, mail order turnaroundl all at any time of day, etc. This is the reason iTunes and Steam are successful...they offer this same convenience but through a legal avenue.

Piracy is also prevalent in poor countries for that very reason. In a country where workers earn an average of ~$300 p/m (which must support feeding a family and other priorities), buying Windows 7, for example, for ~£75 or a newly released console game for ~£35 is quite simply not possible. Spending 15% of one's monthly salary on a single video game when trying to feed and clothe children makes it completely out of reach. The result is that copies are produced and sold en masse for a fraction of their price here (putting it more in line with what it costs us in the richer countries proportional to our incomes).

However on the whole, it can only hurt the industry, though "lost revenue" figures are almost wholly inaccurate. It is simply not correct to assume that each illegal copy would've equated to a sale. But what is almost certainly true is that if it were absolutely impossible to obtain the game/album/film any way other than the legal way I would think it quite reasonable to say there would be higher sales. Before it became commonplace, people would have to save up and work hard to get what they want, they would look forward to release dates with anticipation and be forced to choose between one game, or another, but not both.

The way to look at it is this...if you have an original idea for something, be it an invention, a novel, film, painting, song or game and spend time, money and energy to create it in the hope of selling it for profit, how would you feel if someone distributed it for free online? Or worse, sold knock-offs of your original to line their own pockets? Would you not be upset? Would you not wish for them to stop? Would you not consider taking precuations to try and protect your IP? Would you be motivated to create another product after seeing what happened to the first?

And to clarify one point...at least in the UK, piracy is technically NOT theft. Stealing, or theft is a criminal offence and by definition involves physical property. Piracy is copyright infringement which is a civil offence, not a criminal one. At no point is anything being stolen. The offence is that the pirate is in breach of copyright law, which grants creators/rights-holders the legal rights to decide how their work may be used. Both are illegal, but there is a difference between the two.
 

OblivionFenix

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It's not really about moral ground at all. If we say that piracy is fine then we agree that games shouldn't be bought ever. Frankly i don't think anyone is that stupid. I think the more likely is that people say piracy is fine because they're under the delusion that piracy is enough of a minority to have no significant effect on the industry. Like i said before if piracy is fine then i ask everyone to stop paying for games ever. Say goodbye first to the indie studios, then the hardcore crowd, and finally eventually the Wii will die too.
 

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Because we're forced to pay for a product that you're not. If everyone pirated games, then the industry would collapse, so that's obviously not a viable option. As it is, we spend our hard earned money on helping out studios, paying people's wages, and furthering the development of future video games. Pirates do none of the above, yet still benefit from the product.

Just because you're not stealing something physical, and, by extension, not directly costing the developer money, you're still doing something that completely and utterly morally wrong.

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Someone above me brought up a good point: [HEADING=2]If you believe piracy to be right, then why not support the idea that everyone should be able to do it?[/HEADING]

If anyone who supports piracy is willing to chat about it, PM me. There's very little interaction between posters in these sorts of threads - just everyone spewing out their own predetermined ideas. It'd be nice to properly talk to someone else, for once.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Because there's no justifiable reason to do so, being a self entitled douchebag has no excuse.

Hint: "I don't have enough money so I'll pirate the game" is not a valid justification.
truer words have never been spoken. you want a game, you pay for it.
 

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OblivionFenix said:
can anyone really say that they think piracy is fine. Cos if you truly think that, regardless of whether there are ramifications right now, why not have everyone pirate games. If piracy is fine then no one should buy games. Let's see how far the gaming industry lasts then.
Kantian Ethics? Don't like universal law. A pirate rationalising that it's 'fine' would probably only do so in the context we are given - that most people thankfully still buy games.

Eating asparagus is fine. But if EVERYONE ate Asparagus, think of the ramifications. Being a Doctor is fine. But if EVERYONE was a Doctor? Nothing works when universal law is applied.
 

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Levethian said:
OblivionFenix said:
can anyone really say that they think piracy is fine. Cos if you truly think that, regardless of whether there are ramifications right now, why not have everyone pirate games. If piracy is fine then no one should buy games. Let's see how far the gaming industry lasts then.
Kantian Ethics? Don't like universal law. A pirate rationalising that it's 'fine' would probably only do so in the context we are given - that most people thankfully still buy games.

Eating asparagus is fine. But if EVERYONE ate Asparagus, think of the ramifications. Being a Doctor is fine. But if EVERYONE was a Doctor? Nothing works when universal law is applied.
Yeah. I get that my opinion is extremely exaggerated, but the fact is i don't think it's right to justify something simply because not enough people do it yet for it to cause huge ramifications. That's like saying that bullying or racism is fine simply because those committing the crime are the minority.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Because there's no justifiable reason to do so, being a self entitled douchebag has no excuse.

Hint: "I don't have enough money so I'll pirate the game" is not a valid justification.
How about, "This game hasn't been made freeware, it's not available in any stores or online retailers anywhere, and piracy is the only way to get it anymore?"

OblivionFenix said:
btw how do i get my profile not to say anonymous source?
Make more than 5 posts. It'll change again at 10, 50, 100, 500, 1000, 5000, 10000, and presumably 50000.
 

Levethian

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OblivionFenix said:
I don't think it's right to justify something simply because not enough people do it yet for it to cause huge ramifications.
Agreed.
OblivionFenix said:
btw how do i get my profile not to say anonymous source?
The name depends on your number of posts :)
 

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People should stop trying to compare piracy to theft, they are two totally different (though related) animals.

Besides which according to the gaming industry, when you pay for a game you aren't in fact buying it, you are paying for the right to use their software, piracy is relly more like breaking a contract than anything else.

Also, to those claiming that "I wouldn't have bought it anyway" and "not enough money" aren't valid reason, why not?

Hypothetically speaking, if I have enough spare money to buy exactly one game and I then spend that money buying one game, it has the exact same effect on publishers that me buying the same game then pirating three others would have.

Another thing is that not every pirate is equal, yeah you have the arsehole that just says "woo, free stuff!", but then you get the ones that pay for the games they like, or those that pirate to find out if their system can handle it, or those that only pirate games that aren't being sold by the original publishers/digital distributers anymore.

On top of which pirates may spread knowlage of a game they liked via word of mouth/the net, if say, two people are taked in to buying the game by a pirate that's a net gain for the devs, granted the one that bought it then convinced two others is a bigger profit though.

Legally it's nearly always wrong, but morality is rarely so black and white.
 

Doctor Glocktor

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Radeonx said:
No one should care in the slightest, but people love to be moral asshats and spew their opinions onto others.

And before anyone says that they lose money from pirating; they don't, so don't say "Because it directly harms the industry blah blah blah", because it doesn't. It just causes a loss of a sale that may not have even been a sale to begin with.

The only reason to care is DRM, and honestly, it isn't that big a deal to handle with it.
DRM isn't that annoying.
How DARE someone think that developers deserve compensation for their work on a game!

The nerve of those people! Developers should give everything away for free!
 

Jyggalag

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The only somewhat but not really reasonable excuse is to remove restrictions on the hardware you are using and to remove the drm. But you could buy the DVD and simply modify it to meet your own needs. As long as you're not sharing it, it's not stealing. Oh yea, and if EA makes the game then it is most certainly a reasonable excuse to remove the drm. Seriously.
 

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I should care because games cost a lot of money to create. The more you pirate, the less money there will be to make good games. To quote extra credits, "think of it as an investment in future games" or something.

Also the fact that there is no justifiable reason to pirate anything.
 

OblivionFenix

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Yes clearly there are times where piracy can be OK, obviously this issue isn't black and white in that sense. But if you pirate with no intention of ever buying, when a game is easily still able to be bought, how can that be justified. Sure you might say but i wouldn't have bought it anyway, but if that's true what gives you the right to play it? If you like a game enough to pirate and play all the way through then damn well buy it. If you pirate a game bay ten minutes of it and decide its shit then delete it. You can't say that they don't deserve the money if you like a game enough to keep it on your computer and play it as much as other people do.
 

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Doctor Glocktor said:
Radeonx said:
No one should care in the slightest, but people love to be moral asshats and spew their opinions onto others.

And before anyone says that they lose money from pirating; they don't, so don't say "Because it directly harms the industry blah blah blah", because it doesn't. It just causes a loss of a sale that may not have even been a sale to begin with.

The only reason to care is DRM, and honestly, it isn't that big a deal to handle with it.
DRM isn't that annoying.
How DARE someone think that developers deserve compensation for their work on a game!

The nerve of those people! Developers should give everything away for free!
I never said anything like that, stop twisting my words.
All I'm saying is that piracy isn't as harmful to the developers as people make it out to be, and that everyone bitches way too much and gets on such a moral high ground.
 

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Because it's morally wrong. Imagine a society where hardly anyone cared, nothing would be done with love or done at all.

They put a lot of time and money into making all entertainment. If you appreciate that then you should show it.
 

Doctor Glocktor

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Radeonx said:
Doctor Glocktor said:
Radeonx said:
No one should care in the slightest, but people love to be moral asshats and spew their opinions onto others.

And before anyone says that they lose money from pirating; they don't, so don't say "Because it directly harms the industry blah blah blah", because it doesn't. It just causes a loss of a sale that may not have even been a sale to begin with.

The only reason to care is DRM, and honestly, it isn't that big a deal to handle with it.
DRM isn't that annoying.
How DARE someone think that developers deserve compensation for their work on a game!

The nerve of those people! Developers should give everything away for free!
I never said anything like that, stop twisting my words.
All I'm saying is that piracy isn't as harmful to the developers as people make it out to be, and that everyone bitches way too much and gets on such a moral high ground.
That cut is not as dangerous as an open, gushing wound; therefore nobody should care, as its not as bad as the guy in pain makes it out to be.

Right?