So what is it you're actually paying for with Live Gold?

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migo

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WIUtomato said:
Live also gets you content earlier. Remember they have to pay to develop that, so part of your $ goes to Microsoft who pays to get videos, demos, movies, that kind of thing as soon as they come out.
Demos sure, it's nice to have a demo of everything, but Silver members get them too, and I don't care about the week lead time. Videos I couldn't care less about, that's what a PC is for. Aside from the specific demos and specific Xbox multiplayer gameplay it's not like Gold offers you anything you can't get on the PC for free, and you get PC demos the moment they come out without having to pay for them, nor do you have to pay for multiplayer.
 

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EightGaugeHippo said:
PSN is charging too soon. So sorry buddy, jokes on you.
That fell flat on your face, given you lack the comprehension to understand Jack Tretton saying everything that has been free up until now will remain free and that PS+ is an add on service.
 

Paragon Fury

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Basically, its a general fee for online games, as opposed to having to pay for many games individually, a la Battlefield 2/2142, WoW etc.

It also pays for maintance of the system, company-run moderations that don't (nessacarily) have to rely on player feedback, exclusives/first access (IE: MW2 Map Packs), a fairly decent amount of community interaction and on the whole a fairly better online system than its competitors, even on PC.
 

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migo said:
WIUtomato said:
Live also gets you content earlier. Remember they have to pay to develop that, so part of your $ goes to Microsoft who pays to get videos, demos, movies, that kind of thing as soon as they come out.
Demos sure, it's nice to have a demo of everything, but Silver members get them too, and I don't care about the week lead time. Videos I couldn't care less about, that's what a PC is for. Aside from the specific demos and specific Xbox multiplayer gameplay it's not like Gold offers you anything you can't get on the PC for free, and you get PC demos the moment they come out without having to pay for them, nor do you have to pay for multiplayer.
You personally don't have to pay for PC mulitplayer, but for many PC games, someone somewhere does, usually a couple hundred dollars every month/every few months.
 

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not a problem for me. i gat better connection on live than ps3. also live has hints amd tips for games and exclusive demos
 

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migo said:
EightGaugeHippo said:
PSN is charging too soon. So sorry buddy, jokes on you.
That fell flat on your face, given you lack the comprehension to understand Jack Tretton saying everything that has been free up until now will remain free and that PS+ is an add on service.
Well considering I posted my comment at 7:47 and you replyed at 7:48. I assume you are sat with your browser open, constantly refreshing the page so you can rapidly "Shoot down" any one who attempts to say anything other than PSN are l33t like the sad little troglodite you are. Im so sorry I failed to understand the difference between a service I DO NOT USE and a service I have NEVER HEARD OF. This is because I have a life, I do not care for the gaming platform I do not prefere, there is no reason for me to know the difference between PSN and PS+.
Have a nice life Mr Playstaion Troll.
 

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Paragon Fury said:
You personally don't have to pay for PC mulitplayer, but for many PC games, someone somewhere does, usually a couple hundred dollars every month/every few months.
Which should presumably come from the cost of game sales.
 

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TelHybrid said:
I brought up the fact that running the multiplayer network of xbox live incurs little to no cost towards Microsoft. Why is this? It's peer to peer. No servers at all.
From what I understand, the money from Gold members goes toward keeping download servers fast, faster then PSN's download speed from what I've been told (I don't have a PS3). It also goes toward hosting demos and videos, since MS doesn't charge the developers to do that (Sony does). Plus a few 'extras' that people enjoy, like Facebook and Twitter access and party chat (Which I personally love).

It makes sense to me.
I also don't think charging $5 a month is 'unethical'.
Ethics has nothing to do with it. This isn't medicine, it's a luxury.
 

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EightGaugeHippo said:
Well considering I posted my comment at 7:47 and you replyed at 7:48. I assume you are sat with your browser open, constantly refreshing the page so you can rapidly "Shoot down" any one who attempts to say anything other than PSN are l33t like the sad little troglodite you are.
No, I'd just responded to a previous post and yours showed up after my response. So I responded again. Of course that comeback is an admission that you're just a douche who didn't know what he's talking about.

Im so sorry I failed to understand the difference between a service I DO NOT USE and a service I have NEVER HEARD OF.
Why even talk about something you know so little about? It should be self evident that you'll say something utterly stupid and get called on it.

This is because I have a life, I do not care for the gaming platform I do not prefere, there is no reason for me to know the difference between PSN and PS+.
Have a nice life Mr Playstaion Troll.
Says the person who talks negatively about a platform he knows nothing about.
 

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migo said:
EightGaugeHippo said:
Well considering I posted my comment at 7:47 and you replyed at 7:48. I assume you are sat with your browser open, constantly refreshing the page so you can rapidly "Shoot down" any one who attempts to say anything other than PSN are l33t like the sad little troglodite you are.
No, I'd just responded to a previous post and yours showed up after my response. So I responded again. Of course that comeback is an admission that you're just a douche who didn't know what he's talking about.

Im so sorry I failed to understand the difference between a service I DO NOT USE and a service I have NEVER HEARD OF.
Why even talk about something you know so little about? It should be self evident that you'll say something utterly stupid and get called on it.

This is because I have a life, I do not care for the gaming platform I do not prefere, there is no reason for me to know the difference between PSN and PS+.
Have a nice life Mr Playstaion Troll.
Says the person who talks negatively about a platform he knows nothing about.
I cannot fathom the intesity of the fuck I do not give.
 

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Baby Tea said:
TelHybrid said:
I brought up the fact that running the multiplayer network of xbox live incurs little to no cost towards Microsoft. Why is this? It's peer to peer. No servers at all.
From what I understand, the money from Gold members goes toward keeping download servers fast, faster then PSN's download speed from what I've been told (I don't have a PS3). It also goes toward hosting demos and videos, since MS doesn't charge the developers to do that (Sony does). Plus a few 'extras' that people enjoy, like Facebook and Twitter access and party chat (Which I personally love).

It makes sense to me.
I also don't think charging $5 a month is 'unethical'.
Ethics has nothing to do with it. This isn't medicine, it's a luxury.
Silver members get access to the downloads. Why do Gold membership fees go towards making it better for Silver members but not Gold?
 

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If your gonna play of live do this. Meet some of the few people that you can play with in a friendly place. Check their status. Ive got mine to recreation and i tend to avoid those with undergroud while i gravitate to pro and recreation people.
 

Baby Tea

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migo said:
Baby Tea said:
TelHybrid said:
I brought up the fact that running the multiplayer network of xbox live incurs little to no cost towards Microsoft. Why is this? It's peer to peer. No servers at all.
From what I understand, the money from Gold members goes toward keeping download servers fast, faster then PSN's download speed from what I've been told (I don't have a PS3). It also goes toward hosting demos and videos, since MS doesn't charge the developers to do that (Sony does). Plus a few 'extras' that people enjoy, like Facebook and Twitter access and party chat (Which I personally love).

It makes sense to me.
I also don't think charging $5 a month is 'unethical'.
Ethics has nothing to do with it. This isn't medicine, it's a luxury.
Silver members get access to the downloads. Why do Gold membership fees go towards making it better for Silver members but not Gold?
Well gold members, as mentioned get Facebook, Twitter, party chat, access to demos earlier, access to DLC earlier, gold only contests, and access to netflix. Seems like a fair trade.
 

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IamSofaKingRaw said:
EightGaugeHippo said:
migo said:
EightGaugeHippo said:
I cannot fathom the intesity of the fuck I do not give.
Evidently enough to respond.
Whats your point? Other than to purposly attempt to agitate me?
If you don't give a fuck why are you still on his thread. GTFO.
Well you may have noticed the little feature that when you quote somebody, you get sent a message. No your right though, I dont give a fuck, but when I am sent a message I usually tend to reply. If you want me to get the fuck out then dont quote reply me. If you had kept your thoughts to your self I would not have returned, In fact until you did actually reply I was enjoying a nice convesation on another thread.
 

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migo said:
CobraX said:
On Xbox we have cross game private voice chat and our microphone quality doesn't blow. Also I find Xbox's servers are much more reliable than PS3's.
Well it's already been established that Xbox Live doesn't have any servers, so it's not like they can be more reliable as they don't exist.
Let me rephrase what I said. I find Xbox's Online Service more reliable. I don't get randomly dropped from games and It's much easier to find games. That and my downloads don't take forever. PS3 is fine for certain things and is better than the Xbox in some ways, but as for Online Gaming Xbox is teh WINAR.
 

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Baby Tea said:
Well gold members, as mentioned get Facebook, Twitter, party chat, access to demos earlier, access to DLC earlier, gold only contests, and access to netflix. Seems like a fair trade.
Having to pay for Facebook and Twitter is pretty obscene though. I can see party chat being nice under some situations. One week earlier demos... eh, it's not like it's exclusive, silver members get it anyway, same with DLC. Netflix you have to pay for anyway though, and it's US only. What are in the contests to actually make it wortwhile?
 

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migo said:
It's Sony. Sony's cocky. They'll take any opportunity to spin a bad situation for them into an opportunity to trash talk the competition.
Wasn't this a post against Microsoft? It gets clearer every day that you don't know what you're talking about.

And then they saw some workable hacks that made use of PS2 BC, just as a number of PS2 hacks make use of PS1 BC.
The logical thing to do, that wouldn't alienate a large portion of the target audience, would be to fix these problems. Not to remove the feature that lots of people wanted to begin with.

You're slow on the uptake, they took PS2 BC out a looooong time ago.
I'm slow on the uptake, because I preferred to use an example in time that's easier to identify than bringing up the 40 GB PS3s with no media slots and only 2 USB ports? Flame fail.

They removed memory slots because nobody was using them, and they cost extra money. They removed SACD support because nobody was using it (it's not like SACDs are easy to come by anyway). They removed PS2 BC because it was a security liability. The case is the same with Other OS support. The changes were to either cut down on production costs to make the features people actually wanted available at a more affordable price, or to protect them against piracy.
I think I have a reason to complain that the 4 USB ports were cut down to two. I also use the memory slots (particularly the SD card one) all the time, as does my brother. PS2 backward compatibility and other OS support, I say the same thing. Instead of just trimming away at features that a lot of people bought the thing for (I personally didn't, but being able to play Odin Sphere with no lag is a nice bonus), they could take the more customer-friendly route and fix the god damn things. But of course they'd rather say "Oh, a small group of people are abusing this? Well, fuck everyone. You don't get it anymore." Similar to Ubisoft's oppressive PC DRM.

What was the reason for this paragraph? Oh yeah. Because you oh so eloquently claimed that "no one uses these features." Well, I do. That automatically disproves your claim.

Plus they're raping everyone who buys a 360 on WiFi and HD upgrades.
Raping everyone on Wifi... what? The Xbox 360 was HD to begin with. How is that "raping everyone" with an HD upgrade? The new systems have Wifi built in, as well.

If you're talking about how only later models had the built-in Wifi and HDMI cables, the latter was because HDMI wasn't really considered that important at the time, so Microsoft decided not to put it in with their original models. Before you go on about how they're "raping" early adopters by forcing them to buy new models, perhaps you could explain to me how an HDMI to RCA adapter would work without a loss in picture quality.

Oh, wait.

migo said:
Good job, you're on it now too. Anyone who supports danpascooch gets on my ignore list, so don't bother trying it again, you'll just waste everyone else's screen space.
Sweet. Now I don't have to hear your half-assed remarks as to "why I'm wrong" without actually explaining as such. Maybe we can get everyone on your ignore list so we can all insult your stupidity behind your back. Then you could possibly leave.

Congratulations. You have essentially given up the argument, making me the winner on this argument, the motion controls, and the iPhone, by default. You've also granted me a new avenue to fuck with you without any repercussion on your part. I hope that gives you a warm fuzzy feeling, you ignorant sod.