Keep in mind that you did pretty much say that he was misinformed on account of his forum avatar alone.Mariakitten said:I was simply stating you are misinformed and judging by your recent posts, quite rude. Make of that what you will.
Keep in mind that you did pretty much say that he was misinformed on account of his forum avatar alone.Mariakitten said:I was simply stating you are misinformed and judging by your recent posts, quite rude. Make of that what you will.
Perhaps I should have also said that Sony has stated in multiple Interviews and press releases that keeping online free is one of their most important goals when it comes to PSN. It just annoyed me that he would disregard all that just to make a rude quote.Miles Tormani said:Keep in mind that you did pretty much say that he was misinformed on account of his forum avatar alone.Mariakitten said:I was simply stating you are misinformed and judging by your recent posts, quite rude. Make of that what you will.
Well, I still don't particularly trust that myself, since I remember them claiming that they would stick to their guns in terms of backward compatibility on the PS3 as well. Then it gets cut, but just as an extra kick in the balls, the memory card utility on the PS3 still supports PS2 data.Mariakitten said:Perhaps I should have also said that Sony has stated in multiple Interviews and press releases that keeping online free is one of their most important goals when it comes to PSN. It just annoyed me that he would disregard all that just to make a rude quote.
They're never charging for PSN. Only for PSN+ which just gives you discounts on a few games.Double A said:I heard somewhere that they'd start charging.Irridium said:You do realize that PSN as it is will still be free, right?Double A said:360's cheaper than the PS3, and now that Sony is gonna start charging for it, we're still cheaper.
Also, there's a mute feature.
Also, Microsoft doesn't ask for your freaking address.
I didn't disregard anything. I have acknowledged that Sony have said online will remain free. What you are failnig to acknowledge is all the other things Sony has stated which they've then gone back on later. I've gone over them in this thread a few times already: backwards compatibility, other OS support, rumble. Those are just the things I can come up with off the top of my head, and they are all things that Sony has at some point flat out lied about the future of.Mariakitten said:Perhaps I should have also said that Sony has stated in multiple Interviews and press releases that keeping online free is one of their most important goals when it comes to PSN. It just annoyed me that he would disregard all that just to make a rude quote.Miles Tormani said:Keep in mind that you did pretty much say that he was misinformed on account of his forum avatar alone.Mariakitten said:I was simply stating you are misinformed and judging by your recent posts, quite rude. Make of that what you will.
PSN is still free, PSN-Plus costs $50 for 15 months. Everything you could do before on PSN is still free, but you get free games, free premium themes, and a lot of other free stuff (plus more coming). And cheaper is not a synonym for better, generally the opposite really (cheap cars generally aren't as good as the more expensive ones, for example).Double A said:360's cheaper than the PS3, and now that Sony is gonna start charging for it, we're still cheaper.
Also, there's a mute feature.
It's Sony. Sony's cocky. They'll take any opportunity to spin a bad situation for them into an opportunity to trash talk the competition.Miles Tormani said:Specific extraneous influences do not justify the CEO claiming that certain features are "last generation."
And then they saw some workable hacks that made use of PS2 BC, just as a number of PS2 hacks make use of PS1 BC.They also said early on that the PS3 would always be backward compatible with the PS2. The exact claim was that it was an extremely important feature to them, and they would not want to let go of it for any reason.
You're slow on the uptake, they took PS2 BC out a looooong time ago.Then the Slim comes out...
They removed memory slots because nobody was using them, and they cost extra money. They removed SACD support because nobody was using it (it's not like SACDs are easy to come by anyway). They removed PS2 BC because it was a security liability. The case is the same with Other OS support. The changes were to either cut down on production costs to make the features people actually wanted available at a more affordable price, or to protect them against piracy.As for being reluctant to change, how? The PS3 is the system that has definitely changed the most this console generation, and most of the changes have quite literally been the removal of features.
Plus they're raping everyone who buys a 360 on WiFi and HD upgrades.Me? I don't mind paying for Xbox Live. It gives me that extra sense of comfort that even if Microsoft loses money on sales, they can make up the difference through subscriptions. The difference being made up means that they don't necessarily have to cut features just to cut price.
Good job, you're on it now too. Anyone who supports danpascooch gets on my ignore list, so don't bother trying it again, you'll just waste everyone else's screen space.Miles Tormani said:Here. I'll quote you so he does see it.danpascooch said:It can't be LIVE's problem since nobody else has these troubles, but knowing Migo, he'll insist that he's right and we're all lying.
That may have sounded rude to Migo, but he won't see it, I'm already on his ignore list for "not agreeing with him"Maybe I'll get on the ignore list as well, so we can make fun of him behind his back in light of his obvious immaturity on these matters.
"Oh, well, I don't like you, so I'll just block you and win the argument!"
Totally how that stuff works.
Here's another idea, before you just write off Live as a whole: try playing a game that people actually, you know, play. Like Halo. Modern Warfare 2 I wouldn't recommend because what you think is "lag" is more likely to be straight up modding/hacking.
Oh, wait, it uses the "inferior to touch screen" dual analog controls. Nevermind then.
It's not that I can't find a game, it's getting dropped. If I went looking for a game and saw nobody there, that would be one thing, and perfectly understandable. It's another to connect to a game and get immediately dropped after connecting. That's a problem with the service, and it's not something that should happen with a low bandwidth and low CPU usage game.Nouw said:Migo, no matter how good your connection is, it CAN lag and slow down.
And your problem seems to be with UNO. Ignore anything else, its the fact that you're trying to find a game of Uno that is the main problem.
Also, am I the only one that rarely faces lag. Probably because I don't play any of the new games. Only play Bad Company 1.
Microsoft did it and look at them. I agree it would be suicide but thats a road thats inevitable to skip.migo said:They were getting sued for patent infringement at the time that the PS3 was released, the DualShock 3 got released once the patent issues were resolved.Kermi said:]And Sony have never changed their policy on anything ever. Remember when rumble was a "last generation feature" and "impossible" to include rumble with the sixaxis?
That would be suicide for them.I'd be happy to be proved wrong, but it's seriously only a matter of time before PSN+ is required for online gaming. All they have to do is start releasing games that require PSN+ support to play online, then start removing support for games that don't.
With all the separatist tendencies coming out of Quebec I guess I just disregarded them as not being Canadian. But thanks for bringing that up.s69-5 said:Psst! Vancouver is smaller than Toronto AND Montreal... just sayin'migo said:I live in the second largest city in Canada and am a couple hour drive from Seattle and Redmond
It is also significant that PC and PS3 users do not have to pay for this privilege.Kermi said:So aside from "exclusive" demos etc, what are the PRIMARY draw cards for each sservice?
For their money, XBL users get to play online while free users do not. This is significant!
You mean PS+ not PSN. But yeah, it's shit. Then again you're not paying for something you can get for free on a different platform.PSN users get free games - which, mind you, they will no longer be able to play once they stop subscribing. This is... kind of shit. What if you paid for the games instead of a subscription? Would you come out ahead?
They already have that with cross game chat for PS+ subscribers, who can also chat with regular PSN users cross game, just PSN users can't initiate it.How about some plus-enhanced multiplayer? That sounds good, right? Then every game has enhanced features for plus-subscribers playing online.
That doesn't make any sense though. If you look at everything Sony has changed their stance on there was a good reason for it. They stopped being so cocky after losing to Nintendo and Microsoft in home consoles and to Nintendo and Apple in mobile consoles. They brought rumble back in once the legal issues were resolved. They took out features nobody was using and they took out features that were a piracy risk. PSN online play is a feature many people are using and it's a strong selling point for the PS3 over the Xbox 360, plus they're making money from developers who are charged for demo downloads, so they're still making money.Then they start reducing features for non-plus subscribers, forcing you onto some kind of limited multiplayer service, like free-to-try MMOs that cut off at a certain point or impose a level cap unless you subscribe.
Technically you can still play online for free, but at this point do you want to?
There's a difference between straight up lying and PR spin, and also a difference between lying and changing your mind. At the beginning they thought they would include PS2 BC and Other OS support, piracy risk changed their mind. They were blocked from including rumble in the SIXAXIS, but they didn't want to make it look like that was the reason (or alternatively it may have just been a bad idea to comment publicly on an ongoing lawsuit). There would need to be a significant external change for Sony to change their minds on PSN.Just saying, that's one way Sony could get people to pay to play online without technically lying, and I'm not even trying. Add to that that historically it appears that Sony LOVE to lie about this kind of thing and go back on it 6 months later and I'm sure you can start to see where I'm coming from.
Okay, first of all you have to lower your expectations a bit. And secondly, I'm not the one to talk about your droppings as I've done my bit, can't say anything else.migo said:It's not that I can't find a game, it's getting dropped. If I went looking for a game and saw nobody there, that would be one thing, and perfectly understandable. It's another to connect to a game and get immediately dropped after connecting. That's a problem with the service, and it's not something that should happen with a low bandwidth and low CPU usage game.Nouw said:Migo, no matter how good your connection is, it CAN lag and slow down.
And your problem seems to be with UNO. Ignore anything else, its the fact that you're trying to find a game of Uno that is the main problem.
Also, am I the only one that rarely faces lag. Probably because I don't play any of the new games. Only play Bad Company 1.
Microsoft did it and look at them. I agree it would be suicide but thats a road thats inevitable to skip.migo said:They were getting sued for patent infringement at the time that the PS3 was released, the DualShock 3 got released once the patent issues were resolved.Kermi said:]And Sony have never changed their policy on anything ever. Remember when rumble was a "last generation feature" and "impossible" to include rumble with the sixaxis?
That would be suicide for them.I'd be happy to be proved wrong, but it's seriously only a matter of time before PSN+ is required for online gaming. All they have to do is start releasing games that require PSN+ support to play online, then start removing support for games that don't.
If the solution is just to not play certain games online, then again, what am I paying for? The inability to play every game out there reliably (barring absolutely nobody else playing it)? Xbox Live Gold is touted as being more reliable than PSN, but it's damn unreliable evidently. If I'm paying I want it to be perfect.
No I don't, that's just retarded. It's a for pay service (admittedly I'm on my one month free trial, but that doesn't change anything). If I'm supposed to pay for something I expect something better than what I'm getting for free - not worse!Nouw said:Okay, first of all you have to lower your expectations a bit.
Well if there was any doubt that your previous statement was retarded, this quip just confirmed it.And secondly, I'm not the one to talk about your droppings as I've done my bit, can't say anything else.
Well it's already been established that Xbox Live doesn't have any servers, so it's not like they can be more reliable as they don't exist.CobraX said:On Xbox we have cross game private voice chat and our microphone quality doesn't blow. Also I find Xbox's servers are much more reliable than PS3's.