So what is the advantage of a console?

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OblivionSoul

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For me, it's that if I buy a game on my console, I know it will run on the console. I don't get that guarantee with my PC. I like both, but I do prefer console. Other advantages (for me personally) is the gamepad, and the seating.
 

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GunsmithKitten said:
Somonah said:
Another pc vs console topic where i can post this and be amazing :p

console = Kia
PC = Ferrari

One is cheap and chearful. Other is about high performance and optional extras
But you know what the interesting thing is? I never hear of a "Ferrari Master Race" out there, even among the big time motorheads and car fanciers. Interesting, neh?
Because only gamers are that ridiculously obsessed with creating caricatures about all of their subcommunities, and with constantly trying to differentiate themselves from the more invested members, to prove how "normal" they are.

Well, it's gamers, and nerds in general.
 

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Zhukov said:
"Did you say you stream movies on Netflix? Clearly you're too lazy or stupid to jump in a car and go down to the DVD rental joint."
That's not the argument because both require an identical level of skill. Actually, that's the argument. PCs were designed to be easy to use and they are. Claiming their complexity is superior to everyday objects like cellphones or washing machines is inane.

Anyone who can perform tasks such as learning how to drive can use a PC. It's not the same thing as flying a helicopter or learning Quantum Mechanics. And anyone able to drive that claims that PCs are too hard to use is lying to himself and using stupidity as an excuse.

There are a myriad of reasons to chose console over a computer, but complexity is not an issue. If I'm not mistaken a lot of you people are posting on computers so you obviously can deal with their complexity.
 

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ElPatron said:
Zhukov said:
"Did you say you stream movies on Netflix? Clearly you're too lazy or stupid to jump in a car and go down to the DVD rental joint."
That's not the argument because both require an identical level of skill. Actually, that's the argument. PCs were designed to be easy to use and they are. Claiming their complexity is superior to everyday objects like cellphones or washing machines is inane.

Anyone who can perform tasks such as learning how to drive can use a PC. It's not the same thing as flying a helicopter or learning Quantum Mechanics. And anyone able to drive that claims that PCs are too hard to use is lying to himself and using stupidity as an excuse.

There are a myriad of reasons to chose console over a computer, but complexity is not an issue. If I'm not mistaken a lot of you people are posting on computers so you obviously can deal with their complexity.
You are being unfair there. If someone doesn't learn how to use the PC, it isn't because they are STUPID, but because they are ignorant.

In the same way as some casual mobile gamers or Wii gamers are too ignorant to learn how to use a gamepad, and which games would run on any given console. They could learn it, any sane person up to 3 years old could learn it, they just don't CARE.

It's not a bad thing, for example, in the same way, I didn't ever learn how to play chess, even though the basics would only take a few hours, because I don't care about it. I am ignorant about chess. I didn't ever pay attention to the movie industry, so you could say that I'm ignorant about movies.

The problem is, that when someone doesn't care about movies, they don't care if a movie elitist calls them ignorant, because there is no emotional reason to argue with it. For some reason console gamers formed enough emotional connection with gaming in general, that they will start slipping into WILLFUL ignorance, to reaffirm their own superiority.

Like when they try to spin this as something to be proud of, that their platform's lack of features is an advantage, and start patting each other on the back over how awesome they are for being normal, down-to-earth folks and not obsessive, arrogant graphics whores like surely every PC gamer must be, who would assemble his own system, or even dare to point out that you can do things beyond a console's capabilities.
 

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I like the Xbox controller; it fits neatly in my hands.

I like the fact that I know a game will work, as there is conformity in terms of processors, drivers and graphics cards.

I like the fact that consoles aren't hugely expensive.


Other than those three things, a PC will always come out on top because it is simply better hardware, provided you have the money to invest. The only reasons besides those three above that you'd have, as far as I can think of, are based on downsides of the PC platform (poor ports, becoming outdated very quickly, etc) rather than benefits of the console itself.
 

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convenience. simple as that.

pc gaming is expensive and involves at least a decent amount of technical knowledge. console require no upgrading. its a one time purchase and then you dont have to buy new hardware until the next console comes out. and its easy to set up. plug it in and turn on the tv. for people who dont have the money or dont want to spend time upgrading and such, consoles are the superior choice
 

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I think all the fighting between PC and console is really a matter of weather or not a game is going to be released on your platform, console gamers hate PC exclusives as PC gamers hate console exclusives and they both hate crappy ports. Both sides are fighting for better representation by claiming superiority in some way to bolster their ranks so when a software publisher looks at numbers they wont get excluded from a title.
Nothing is really better on either because every positive each has also has negative that goes with it. I'm a PC gamer and I know its not for everyone, its gotten way better over the last 8 years or so but its still overwhelming for many gamers who like to be able to just flop on the couch and just play some games which is why I still have a PS3.
 

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GunsmithKitten said:
Entitled said:
Like when they try to spin this as something to be proud of, that their platform's lack of features is an advantage, and start patting each other on the back over how awesome they are for being normal, down-to-earth folks and not obsessive, arrogant graphics whores like surely every PC gamer must be, who would assemble his own system, or even dare to point out that you can do things beyond a console's capabilities.
When the PC'ers cop the "We are a Master Race over you" because of it? I'd say it does become a warranted mentality.
That whole "Master Race" joke was made up to mock PC gamers, to begin with.

When to the criticism, that you are irrationally making up stereotypes about a group, the best retort is NOT that "It's warranted, bcause they keep saying that [exaggerated parody lines that we put in their mouth in the first place]"

The problem is not even just that some PC gamers act arrogantly. I'm sure that they do, since some people of every group do.

The problem that made PC gamers stand out especially, is that even if a PC gamer says something entirely neutral, like the fact that not wanting to learn how hardware upgrades, mods, or emulators work is a form of ignorance, (like I said, in the same sense as someone who doesn't follow Hollywood's trends is "ignorant about the movie industry"), console gamers, who created their own sub-culture of the gaming culture where they are their own "the master race", instantly refuse to even consider the possibility that there indeed is a segment of gaming that they are simply not sufficiently informed about.
 

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I'm glad you asked:

http://pressstarttodiscuss.blogspot.com/2012/08/34-pc-vs-console-which-is-better.html
 

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I prefer my console for gaming because i've had games that suddenly stop working (Bioshock won't boot up anymore and i only played it a few times, and it's not the only one)

PC's also become very unstable and divide their processors up too much, not to mention the alerts and update warnings that drop your game to desktop just so they can tell you what new antivirus software yo should upgrade to

I also like th pick up and play factor, my laptop takes a while to boot up, and even then it takes a while to get all the programs it needs to run going, PCs are always going to have games as a secondary or tertiary focus, even purpose built machines, which only make the process easier/less frustrating.

Cost is another thing, most people are not going to get PS3 or 360 level performance on a PC for the same price as one of those consoles, it's a huge cost to build a gaming rig, especially if you don't know what you're doing.

which brings me to my next point, most people don't know enough about computers to build a decent rig.


and to PC gamers who complain that Consoles hold games back due to outdated hardware/software, do any of you really think you wouldn't be pissed if you bought a PC to play a game, and then you discovered that the release you wanted 6 months later wouldn't work on your computer because the requirements were too high. (I've had to wait a year to play a game on PC because of this exact issue, twice, there was nothing wrong with the computer so we weren't willing to get a new one) it was a very painful year to have the game and not be able to play it at all. Having consoles around extends the life of gaming rigs, since developers code for the consoles first and base all ports off of that (though there have been some shitty ports, we're looking at you, Dark Souls)

So what i like about consoles is; Price, longevity, ease of use, and the specialization and more solid architecture (PC's do get really, really crappy the older they get, with a life of 3-5 years as opposed to the 7-10 years of the consoles)

I'm not totally against PC gaming, i just find it to be an egregiously frustrating experience that has brought me into near fits of unbridled rage.
 

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wrightguy0 said:
do any of you really think you wouldn't be pissed if you bought a PC to play a game, and then you discovered that the release you wanted 6 months later wouldn't work on your computer because the requirements were too high.
Yeah, I would be at least as pissed as at the time when I bought a PS3 game then I realized that I only have a PS2.

Protip: There is a list of "system requirements" on the back of the PC game's box. If you have a last-gen video card, then don't try to buy a game that is explicitly advertised for current gen video cards.

It's not like some random russian roulette where with every piece of hardware you own, you have a cumultative 1/6 cance of surprisingly breaking the game. If you are at least familiar with the most basic parameters of your PC, it's the most self evident thing not to buy games that were not made for it.
 

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It has more games that I want to play and I don't care enough about high quality graphics, I can take a few less frames per second, and outside of a scarce few, mods are uninteresting to me; many games released on PC I can also pick up on console. Plus there are fewer cases of draconian DRM enforcement methods on consoles, given that they're not expected to be connected to the internet at all times. I like playing with a controller over a keyboard and the computer's I've had have been far less reliable than consoles.

To me it really all boils down to the games and how much of a hassle I'm willing to go through to play them.

Console wins it for me in those regards.
 

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Entitled said:
You are being unfair there. If someone doesn't learn how to use the PC, it isn't because they are STUPID, but because they are ignorant.
Ignorance is tolerable. The refusal to learn isn't.

Entitled said:
In the same way as some casual mobile gamers or Wii gamers are too ignorant to learn how to use a gamepad, and which games would run on any given console. They could learn it, any sane person up to 3 years old could learn it, they just don't CARE.
No. They can use a gamepad because a lot of modern technology has button clad "pads" for entry of data such as cellphones or TV remotes.

Personal preference =/= ability.

Entitled said:
Yeah, that was a long but uninteresting analogy.

Entitled said:
Like when they try to spin this as something to be proud of, that their platform's lack of features is an advantage, and start patting each other on the back over how awesome they are for being normal, down-to-earth folks and not obsessive, arrogant graphics whores like surely every PC gamer must be, who would assemble his own system, or even dare to point out that you can do things beyond a console's capabilities.
No.

I spin this out as people blatantly saying "PC gaming are for nerds with no life" to "I'm proud of being too stupid to figure this out", which is exactly what happened and not a wild guess. This is a very close paraphrasing of what has been said on previous "pc vs console" threads and you can find people virtually being proud of not knowing X in any subject, even in school.

RatRace123 said:
It has more games that I want to play and I don't care enough about high quality graphics, (...) I like playing with a controller over a keyboard and the computer's I've had have been far less reliable than consoles.
Well I also don't give a shit about graphics (my PSU is in it's deathbed so I've been playing recent AAA games at 1024x800, feelsgoodman.jpg).

The problem with controllers is that while I can't bother to pay more than 15? for a PC controller, xbox controllers are over 60?. Unless you're paying the same price as in consoles, you won't get the same reliability.
 

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Akalabeth said:
Conveniently you didn't quote the related text talking about specs and so forth.
Take this conversation:
Mother "Can this game run on a, DS XL?"
Employee "No that's a game for the 3DS, all the DS games are on that shelf"

>situation that would be prevented by not shopping for games with your mother
Good, your store clerks actually have an idea of what videogames are. Because the majority don't, and sometimes they can't even differentiate between consoles.

And I'm talking about videogame store chains, because general appliances/tech stores/ just put anyone on their payroll answering consumer questions.

Also, people usually buy consoles without even bothering to ask about them. I hated what Nintendo did with the whole "Let's release a console every year!" that simply just confused me and a lot others.


Akalabeth said:
Not only that, but on the subject of accessibility how many brick and mortar retailers stock a significant amount of PC games? The shelf at EB Games has been getting smaller and smaller, I'm guessing Gamestop is the same way. Most of the games at Best Buy and Future shop seem to be MMOs. There's not exactly a huge selection available. Whereas the three consoles all have an aisle devoted to them for the most part.
That's because you have never seen xbox shelves in my country. It's outright pathetic. They can't even fill a whole shelf with them while PC and PS3 dominate.


Akalabeth said:
Don't forget trading in used games to get credit on other used or new games. I got both Dark Souls and Deus Ex for FREE when I traded in three other games (MW3, BF3, and Gears3).
Not everyone trades their games. I buy used but never trade in.

Akalabeth said:
And Steam sales are no different than regular retail. You wait for it to go on sale. That's cool. I wait for games to be reduced to 20-40 dollars. Even then I have games I haven't played yet, I can't imagine what most Steam libraries look like. A guy on a forum I visit recently said he has a backlog of 80 games to play on steam. And yet people still try to convince me that steam sales are good for the consumer. Spent money to buy 80 games, haven't played any of them. What a joke.
>lots of people make impulse purchases because games are so cheap
>somehow it's a bad thing

Yeah, because that guy (and other thousands did) we all do it. And no, I don't wait for things to go on sale.

I have the option to buy a 2 year old game for 50? or just buy it on Steam for 15. Retail is completely FUBAR.

Just because your country has non-retarded price drops doesn't mean the whole WORLD is run by the same common sense. All I know is that I'm not paying 70? for a game no matter how good, specially if it's almost a year old.

Akalabeth said:
Also when the PS3 launched it was still the cheapest blu-ray player. So yes, affordability. When the PS3 launched it was probably also cheaper than a comparable computer (with a blu ray drive installed).
That's cool. Except for the part that I didn't give a flying fuck about Blu-Ray (I actually wanted HD-DVD to win because fuck Sony) and I've never wanted to watch a film in Blu Ray because pretty graphics don't make stories any better, they were like 30-40?/movie at launch and you still needed a Full HD tv to make the most of it.

I bought a 720p Sony Bravia for the low price of 700?. Full HD models were over 1000? which translated to dollars is "a lot".


Akalabeth said:
I bought my 360 for 300 CDN, it came with four games (Halo ODST, Forza3, Lego SWOT and Wolfenstein). Can't get a computer for that price, even if you factor in the price of the TV. Certainly can't get a good gaming computer for that price.
I bought my x360 Elite for 200? (turns invisible in the dark) + a game which was 75? (because EA).

At that time the PS3 was 300? with no games.

A year before that I had bought a 250? PC. It can still run modern titles such as BF3.

By the way, I had (and still have) a Samsung SyncMaster 226BW that I scavenged from my previous computer. It was 180?, which at that time was a steal and much cheaper than 720p TVs.


Akalabeth said:
People who talk about playing the newest game talk about spending more than a thousand bucks on their rig, sometimes more than 2000. Parents can't afford that.
I am proud of almost 4 years squeezed out of a 250? PC without a single upgrade. I had Lady Luck on my side because that time was just perfect to buy PC components, they had a lot of things just dropping prices.

If people waste 2000 just to play

>implying people with their own income don't play videogames

Gaming isn't for kids only.

And judging by the amount of Apple laptops, tablets and touchscreen phones/music players I have seen in highschool and college, I think parents can afford a gaming PC instead of overpriced Apple hardware.



Akalabeth said:
Gaming consoles are also a lot more social.
>facebook
>xfire
>steam
>teamspeak
>raidcall
>skype

No.


Akalabeth said:
Have a group of friends, or even two friends in the same room playing from the same screen.
Name 5 games released on xbox/ps3 this year that include split screen competitive multiplayer modes.

Akalabeth said:
When has anyone done that with a computer? I've never done that with a computer, EVER.
Cyberdogs. It was released back in the DOS era. Since then many games have used same screen multiplayer.

Just because you never did it doesn't mean no developer ever introduced it.

GunsmithKitten said:
ElPatron said:
There are a myriad of reasons to chose console over a computer, but complexity is not an issue. If I'm not mistaken a lot of you people are posting on computers so you obviously can deal with their complexity.
Browsing and typing on a computer are not the same as monkey'ing with it's innards.
[small]Well I'll be damned, because to play games you don't have to do that.[/small]

Isn't it great?



00slash00 said:
pc gaming is expensive
It's not.


00slash00 said:
and involves at least a decent amount of technical knowledge
It doesn't.