Dele said:
Recent discussions with fanatical socialists have made me realize how closely their attitude resembles followers of a certain religion and their problems with the theory of evolution.
This in itself is an incredibly stupid contention. Socialism is an economic plan, most of it's supporters are advocating a
more socialist economic system in their country. It has nothing to do with fanatics, most people couldn't give two fucks about their countries economic policies.
A typical priest of socialism targets uneducated masses, who most likely will lack the critical mind and specticism to question the truths and promises laid down upon them.
what? Is it unreasonable to ask for some kind of example where this has happened? Are you aware that the general steriotype for socialism (In conservative countries like Australia and the USA) are predominantly educated people (in melbourne it's the "rich eastern suburbs Age reader") and university students (especially students studying business and arts, ie students learning relevent information). That's so far wrong I can't even
beleive anyone would claim it.
Afterall it's hard to resist the tempation of turning your 8$/h McJob into a blessed 20$/h, ridding the world of poor and solving the perceived injustice as well. All you need to do is to believe and strike down a few heretics, keeping you from reaching heaven by following a false god, a Satan of sorts. Such is of course easily justified since they are the reason for the problems in the world, Socialism being good and pure.
This is neither here nor there, every politician with an agenda will scapegoat somebody and promise the world, and I assume your refering to politicians.
As always, science tends to throw our sweet dreams into a trash bin and anchor us to the cold harsh reality. Scientific method has brought us proof that Capitalism is in every way a superior way of handing the economy, yet it constantly faces harsh opposition from believers who represent the "moral option" and deny science partly or completely. Even worse, it's impossible to argue with such people, because you are using logical arguments, models and principles they have abandoned altogether and more sophisticated proof requires years of studying.
While it's fun to make baseless claims about what science proves, perhaps it would be benificial to note that you come from finland, a country with high tax rates, good public services (97% of students are in public schools, low unemployment etc)...Basocially Finlad is a
very socialist country (there are no western countries based completely on socalism or capitlasim) just like most countries in Western Europe (the richest, most functional nations in the world). The country you are from, as well as it's neighboring countries, are the
proof that systems based on socialism can work effectively. More effectively, in fact, than anything other system in the world today. It's brilliantly ironic that you argue you cannot argue with them using logical arguments and proof, as you are ignoring the
most functional economic models in the world, what stronger evidence can one possibly supply? There's is no obvious way in which a system leaning toward capitalism is in any way clearly superior to on leaning toward socialism, even without ignoring the evidence (as people making similar arguments to you insist upon). Common sense dictates that a system where only those with enough money can afford adequate services (such as schooling, transport) is fundamentlally inferior to a system where basic services are more attainable for
everyone. It avoids the whole cycle of "I come from a rich family and will therefore be a sucess" and "I'm poor and will indefinately remain so"
Capitalism vs Socialism -threads seem to be doomed into falling to the same "YES, NO" -type of arguing that makes religious threads so tiresome.
The most tiresome part of all is that people continue to try and argue both sides (though conservative veiws tend to me be guilty of this) without having
any fucking clue what they're talking about. People just claim whatever they damnwell want as absoloute fact without even the slightest evidence to back them up. You're right, it is like arguaing in a religious thread, people are so closed minded and uneducated that they refuse to even
comprehend the veiwpoints of others, the evidence put before them and the possiblity that they may not be right.
faceless chick said:
Novskij said:
faceless chick said:
Everything reminds you kids of religion.
Geez was Sunday school that bad to you?
Btw, never use communism and religion together- communism was completely against religion, since the only person the people should worship was the leader (surprise surprise)
Cool stereotype bro.
Sadly, this is no joke. This is REALLY what their reason was- God was in the way of the dictator as supreme being- which is really sad and ironic.
Way off topic, but I'm gunna put this out their...
sadly people make these kind of claims without first considering what communism is. You know what is a joke? That whole beleif. Communism, by definition
has no leader.
