societal conventions you hate

[saruman31]

ALL OF THEM!
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Fine, there are a lot of good ones, but the bad ones really stand out!

1. Having to wear clothes
2. It being acceptable to be a fat unhealthy jackass
3. People considering race or gender to be important
4. Society being based around money and class
5. Sexuality/sexual preferences being an issue
6. Lots of other things. Like most of the things. Almost all of them.

Move out of the states. Depending on where, but at most only 2 of those are a big thing over here in Sweden.

Which two? No matter what, you're lucky. Not only is there that, but you guys have what may be the greatest metal band ever: Sabaton. I hate how hated nudity is. Really, the only reasons it's illegal is to make the clothing industry more money and because of religion.

No. You wear clothes because we don`t want to see your "parts" or your(figure of speech) ugly body 24/7. And because clothes keep you warm, a very important thing in some parts of the world and times of the year.
FYI i`m not religious.

Not a societal convention but i hate animal lovers. No, i don`t hurt animals nor have i ever but people who worship animals get on my nerves.

 

[Matt-the-twat]

I hate going on a night out with people and almost 'having' to get drunk, because it's the done thing to do. People should stop worrying about how inebriated other people are and just try and have fun.

 

[zeldagirl]

I came into this topic ready to mention something about the blatant sexism I face every day, and the first thing I saw:

Women usually getting the cake and eating it.
The whole feministic approach to things, in which women are independant but on the other hand some women also require men to be chivalrous AT THE SAME TIME.

...welp.



Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I came into this topic ready to mention something about the blatant sexism I face every day, and the first thing I saw:

Women usually getting the cake and eating it.
The whole feministic approach to things, in which women are independant but on the other hand some women also require men to be chivalrous AT THE SAME TIME.

...welp.



Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

Aye, that is correct.
But when I woman is treated as an equeul yet wants special treatment because she is a woman, then that is in my opinion hypocritical and something I dislike.

 

[MetalDooley]

Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

Nobody wants to be treated like shit obviously but there's a difference between not wanting to be treated like shit and wanting to be treated differently just because you're a woman.That's what chivalry is.The idea that men should treat women differently(in a good way of course)just because they're women.

As far as I'm concerned it's one or the other.And no that doesn't mean I'm a jerk to women.I'm just as polite and friendly to women as I am to men but don't expect any special treatment unless we're in a relationship

 

[GeorgW]

ALL OF THEM!
/Thread
Fine, there are a lot of good ones, but the bad ones really stand out!

1. Having to wear clothes
2. It being acceptable to be a fat unhealthy jackass
3. People considering race or gender to be important
4. Society being based around money and class
5. Sexuality/sexual preferences being an issue
6. Lots of other things. Like most of the things. Almost all of them.

Move out of the states. Depending on where, but at most only 2 of those are a big thing over here in Sweden.

Which two? No matter what, you're lucky. Not only is there that, but you guys have what may be the greatest metal band ever: Sabaton. I hate how hated nudity is. Really, the only reasons it's illegal is to make the clothing industry more money and because of religion.

Which 2 depends on the part of the country. And we have a lot of great music.
And while I think that prudishness is a little silly these days, I wouldn't want everybody to walk around completely naked. It'd take a lot of the thrills away from sex.

 

[Quaxar]

Wearing jeans!

Jeans are boring and..... boring. That's all I've got. But I will never wear jeans as long as I have my strength!

What if the Doctor starts wearing jeans?

Also, your bronie avatars confuse me. It was much easier to spot you with the wibbly-wobbly one.
How about a Doctor Whoof version already?

OT: I personally hate the "fork goes left, knife goes right" cutlery rule because quite frankly I can't do shit with a knife in my right hand...
No, I'm not left-handed but I do prefer it the other way around and every dman time I have to change the setting when I sit down. Bah.

 

[zeldagirl]

I came into this topic ready to mention something about the blatant sexism I face every day, and the first thing I saw:

Women usually getting the cake and eating it.
The whole feministic approach to things, in which women are independant but on the other hand some women also require men to be chivalrous AT THE SAME TIME.

...welp.



Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

Aye, that is correct.
But when I woman is treated as an equeul yet wants special treatment because she is a woman, then that is in my opinion hypocritical and something I dislike.

This is not something that is inherent in women. It is inherent in HUMANS. ALL people do this. All people are hypocrites.


Also, wanting FAIR and EQUITABLE treatment =/= special treatment. The fact of the matter is, women have traditionally gotten less than equitable treatment.

The next time you think a woman is demanding fair treatment, try to place yourself in her shoes, and use something called the pile-on-principle. Throughout the course of any day, as woman, I usually encounter several individuals (male) who in one way or another think I am incompetent. They don't trust me with certain work loads or tasks. Now imagine this happens for hours on end. And it's hard to say anything in the position you are in - things keep *piling* on (this is a key word).

Now imagine that woman is walking towards a door, and you, as a man, open it for her. That's not a bad thing to do - it's quite nice. But all day long, she's been feeling like men have been assuming she's incapable of doing anything for herself. She's been *piled on*. Just the simple act of opening a door for her can be upsetting, because it's just one more thing that it seems men are assuming she can't do.


Do you see how she could be upset? That's not saying she's entirely in the right. But try to think next time, before you disparage a woman for requesting 'special treatment' or exerting independence, that perhaps she's had experiences that have made her feel inconsequential do to members of your gender.

I hope that makes sense.


But, again, I ultimately will go back to my last point: maybe some women will ask for special treatment regardless of their experiences. The point is, MEN do to. All humans do; we innately think we are deserving of certain treatment in some contexts at some points in our lives. Unfortunately, in this topic at least, only women are being called out for it.

 

[AgentNein]

People that have problems with PDA. Fucking prudes, I tell you what.

 

[ZeroMachine]

As for what I hate?

"Wait... you two are dating?"
"Yeah, we've been together for like five months. I kissed her in front of you..."
"Yeah, but you aren't, you know, Facebook official."

Please, please, please tell me you're making that up.

Some people, mostly younger (high school age, I'm 22 for point of reference) actually think that being together but not "Facebook official" is effectively equal to it being a "fling".

It is fucking pathetic.

Those people should be thrown off the Empire State Building, into a portal, coming out on the moon, going so fast they're still conscious when they fly into the Earth's atmosphere, burning to death on re-entry.

I personally think that, instead, they should be brought underground and brainwashed into thinking it's the 1700s so when they come up they fear the technology instead of worshiping it.

 

[SeriousIssues]

Other social conventions I dislike include marriage, blind and stubborn disregard for science in favour of outdated ignorance, any arbitrary traditions that if breached would be considered disproportionately rude despite having little to no objective detriment to the situation, birthdays, most other occasions when I am obligated to get gifts for someone for reasons beyond my comprehension and so on and so forth in an increasingly misanthropic manner...

Geez, you are just a beautiful little ray of sunshine, aren't you?

Anyways, people spouting religious or sexual or other personal oppinions whenever they can and as hard as they an.

Also, pickles or other vegtables and such that are just unceremoniously removed prior to being served, and not specifically taken out of the recipe at the customer's request.
Seriously, I can still taste and smell the pickle.

 

[zeldagirl]

Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

Nobody wants to be treated like shit obviously but there's a difference between not wanting to be treated like shit and wanting to be treated differently just because you're a woman.That's what chivalry is.The idea that men should treat women differently(in a good way of course)just because they're women.

As far as I'm concerned it's one or the other.And no that doesn't mean I'm a jerk to women.I'm just as polite and friendly to women as I am to men but don't expect any special treatment unless we're in a relationship

chiv·al·ry
   [shiv-uhl-ree] Show IPA
?noun, plural -ries for 6.
1.
the sum of the ideal qualifications of a knight, including courtesy, generosity, valor, and dexterity in arms.
2.
the rules and customs of medieval knighthood.
3.
the medieval system or institution of knighthood.

Chivalry *should* be treating ALL OTHERS with 'courtesy, generosity, and valor,' regardless of gender. Women can, and should, be chivalrous, too.

 

[AgentNein]

I came into this topic ready to mention something about the blatant sexism I face every day, and the first thing I saw:

Women usually getting the cake and eating it.
The whole feministic approach to things, in which women are independant but on the other hand some women also require men to be chivalrous AT THE SAME TIME.

...welp.



Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

Aye, that is correct.
But when I woman is treated as an equeul yet wants special treatment because she is a woman, then that is in my opinion hypocritical and something I dislike.

This is not something that is inherent in women. It is inherent in HUMANS. ALL people do this. All people are hypocrites.


Also, wanting FAIR and EQUITABLE treatment =/= special treatment. The fact of the matter is, women have traditionally gotten less than equitable treatment.

The next time you think a woman is demanding fair treatment, try to place yourself in her shoes, and use something called the pile-on-principle. Throughout the course of any day, as woman, I usually encounter several individuals (male) who in one way or another think I am incompetent. They don't trust me with certain work loads or tasks. Now imagine this happens for hours on end. And it's hard to say anything in the position you are in - things keep *piling* on (this is a key word).

Now imagine that woman is walking towards a door, and you, as a man, open it for her. That's not a bad thing to do - it's quite nice. But all day long, she's been feeling like men have been assuming she's incapable of doing anything for herself. She's been *piled on*. Just the simple act of opening a door for her can be upsetting, because it's just one more thing that it seems men are assuming she can't do.


Do you see how she could be upset? That's not saying she's entirely in the right. But try to think next time, before you disparage a woman for requesting 'special treatment' or exerting independence, that perhaps she's had experiences that have made her feel inconsequential do to members of your gender.

I hope that makes sense.


But, again, I ultimately will go back to my last point: maybe some women will ask for special treatment regardless of their experiences. The point is, MEN do to. All humans do; we innately think we are deserving of certain treatment in some contexts at some points in our lives. Unfortunately, in this topic at least, only women are being called out for it.

I'd also like to point out that in my travels I've met VERY FEW serious feminists who also expect men to treat them as some sort of royalty. I hear this all the time, usually from guys who have issues with feminism but I've never actually seen it.

 

[zeldagirl]

I came into this topic ready to mention something about the blatant sexism I face every day, and the first thing I saw:

Women usually getting the cake and eating it.
The whole feministic approach to things, in which women are independant but on the other hand some women also require men to be chivalrous AT THE SAME TIME.

...welp.



Male chivalry and female independence are not mutually exclusive. Females can want to be independent AND not want men to treat them like shit.

This should not be a difficult concept.

Aye, that is correct.
But when I woman is treated as an equeul yet wants special treatment because she is a woman, then that is in my opinion hypocritical and something I dislike.

This is not something that is inherent in women. It is inherent in HUMANS. ALL people do this. All people are hypocrites.


Also, wanting FAIR and EQUITABLE treatment =/= special treatment. The fact of the matter is, women have traditionally gotten less than equitable treatment.

The next time you think a woman is demanding fair treatment, try to place yourself in her shoes, and use something called the pile-on-principle. Throughout the course of any day, as woman, I usually encounter several individuals (male) who in one way or another think I am incompetent. They don't trust me with certain work loads or tasks. Now imagine this happens for hours on end. And it's hard to say anything in the position you are in - things keep *piling* on (this is a key word).

Now imagine that woman is walking towards a door, and you, as a man, open it for her. That's not a bad thing to do - it's quite nice. But all day long, she's been feeling like men have been assuming she's incapable of doing anything for herself. She's been *piled on*. Just the simple act of opening a door for her can be upsetting, because it's just one more thing that it seems men are assuming she can't do.


Do you see how she could be upset? That's not saying she's entirely in the right. But try to think next time, before you disparage a woman for requesting 'special treatment' or exerting independence, that perhaps she's had experiences that have made her feel inconsequential do to members of your gender.

I hope that makes sense.


But, again, I ultimately will go back to my last point: maybe some women will ask for special treatment regardless of their experiences. The point is, MEN do to. All humans do; we innately think we are deserving of certain treatment in some contexts at some points in our lives. Unfortunately, in this topic at least, only women are being called out for it.

I'd also like to point out that in my travels I've met VERY FEW serious feminists who also expect men to treat them as some sort of royalty. I hear this all the time, usually from guys who have issues with feminism but I've never actually seen it.

My thoughts: Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. ~Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler

That's all it is. That's feminism's only goal.

 

[MetalDooley]

Chivalry *should* be treating ALL OTHERS with 'courtesy, generosity, and valor,' regardless of gender. Women can, and should, be chivalrous, too.

Yes it *should* be treating ALL OTHERS with 'courtesy, generosity, and valor(not too sure about the valor part tbh)but it's not is it.Lets face it chivalry has come to mean men treating women with those things.How often do you hear of female chivalry

 

[Evil Moo]

Other social conventions I dislike include marriage, blind and stubborn disregard for science in favour of outdated ignorance, any arbitrary traditions that if breached would be considered disproportionately rude despite having little to no objective detriment to the situation, birthdays, most other occasions when I am obligated to get gifts for someone for reasons beyond my comprehension and so on and so forth in an increasingly misanthropic manner...

Geez, you are just a beautiful little ray of sunshine, aren't you?

Yes, yes I am. *shines*

 

[zeldagirl]

Chivalry *should* be treating ALL OTHERS with 'courtesy, generosity, and valor,' regardless of gender. Women can, and should, be chivalrous, too.

Yes it *should* be treating ALL OTHERS with 'courtesy, generosity, and valor(not too sure about the valor part tbh)but it's not is it.Lets face it chivalry has come to mean men treating women with those things.How often do you hear of female chivalry

Um, ALL THE TIME. I look at my female friends, who treat others, women and men alike, with respect. I think of the women I personally know who donate their time to charities and community building. I think of women, including myself, who enjoys splitting the tab with her man, who enjoys being in an equal partnership where both members of the relationship give and take.

I also look at the mothers of the world, who give selflessly of themselves for their children, who brave the pains of childbirth, who painstakingly try to teach their children to be polite and treat others with kindness. My mother is more chivalrous than many of the men I've met in my life, including my father.

Women are chivalrous all the damn time. Unfortunately, our society has conditioned itself to not see it.

 

[bliebblob]

Also, there's a loophole: yes you vow to raise your child as a christian, but what does that even mean in practice? Nobody ever said that means going to mass and all that. If anything it means teaching them to live by christian values, aka the ten commandments. But, except for the worship-one-god-part, those are things any sane parents would teach their kids anyway. They are not exclusive to christianity, they are basic rules of civilization and if fact show up in one form or the other in all major religions. So you're not really lying when you agree to said vow.

Actually attending mass and receiving communion are intrinsic parts of the christian faith(well catholic anyway).By making the vow you are in fact agreeing that you will regularly bring your child to mass,confession and the other various ceremonies as well as teaching your child about god,jesus and all the other malarkey.As I said if you have no intention of doing any of this then you shouldn't be making the vow in the first place

Also second communion?Is that what it's called where you live?It's called confirmation here

Yup eerste communie en tweede communie or plechtige communie wich roughly translates to first communion and second communion or formal communion. A cooky for who can guess the language.

Also, there are about a million ways this conversation could have slipped into a flamewar and yet it didn't. Good job!

 

[AgentNein]

My thoughts: Feminism is the radical notion that women are people. ~Cheris Kramarae and Paula Treichler

That's all it is. That's feminism's only goal.

Agreed. Just pointing out that this whole concept of the "feminist who wishes to be treated like a queen", while it probably does happen from time to time (like you said, people can be hypocrites), is mostly BS designed to subvert the idea or legitimacy of feminism.