Sony: 3D and Portable Devices Don't Mix

[squid5580]

Ok first off need i remind you of Twilight? Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good.

Secondly lets look at the 3DS. Sure it looks cool and all that. But it also has a short battery life with 3d enabled. You have too keep it still to enjoy the 3d properly. So I must ask is there any point to adding a feature that gimps the system? That causes more harm than good? I think Sony is on the right track this time.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

 

[UberNoodle]

LOL! Sony spend a lot of effort rallying against glasses free 3D, but then, anounce that that is their next step. Before that, the same was done for motion controls.

 

[UberNoodle]

Ok first off need i remind you of Twilight? Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good.

Secondly lets look at the 3DS. Sure it looks cool and all that. But it also has a short battery life with 3d enabled. You have too keep it still to enjoy the 3d properly. So I must ask is there any point to adding a feature that gimps the system? That causes more harm than good? I think Sony is on the right track this time.

Well, until we've all used one, more or at all, we won't know the answers to that. We also don't know what the movement threshold is before the stereoscopy is lost. In the end, every technology has pros and cons. No next gen handheld will have the battery times that prior systems enjoyed. The hardware requirements are too high. POwer increases but battery technology isn't keeping up. Also I don't really see any justification for saying that the 3D 'does more harm than good'. I charge that that is impossible for you to maintain such an assertion objectively. On one hand we have shorter battery times and stricter viewing angles. On the other we have screen technology that already had strict viewing angles, but that now can help provide a 3D effect that is being universally praised. Besides, these are handhelds so how exactly are these critics intending to play them? To disregard those benefits as irrelevent or uneeded, it is the same as disregarding any other performance improvement. Any rationale towards what is 'needed' or not, will be most likely purely subjective. So really, I don't see much solid in your assertions above, because exactly the same charges could be layed on the Psp2.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Honestly, I think Sony's wrong here. Everyone I've talked to about 3D televisions that require glasses, from my fellow technophile friends to girls who only care if the monitor can play Gossip Girl, think 3D with glasses is a waste of time and money. And it makes sense. What happens if you have some friends over to watch a movie on your super cool 3D television, but you don't have enough glasses? Either you forego the 3D effect or some of your friends miss out.

The fact that the tech exists to make glasses-free 3D but that it currently only works at a narrow field of view makes me think that the handheld is the clear platform of choice for its implementation. Think about it: when you're on a handheld you're usually playing on your own, so having a narrow range in which 3D works isn't a problem (as long as the 3D isn't so narrow as to make minor bumps and movements throw off the whole effect. That's a vital assumption to this whole thing.) And glasses-free 3D is cool, people want to try it. Those calling 3D a gimmick echo many who called the DS's touch screen a gimmick in 2004.

The problem is the mass public still hasn't seen the 3DS technology. We can't say that Sony is wrong until we see this glasses free 3D and see the public reaction. If the pre-Wii release buzz was any indicator it can show that industry insiders tend to grossly over hype capabilities of something. Then again the 3DS really doesn't have a "killer app" yet, so we can't says that the 3DS won't be great either. We'll just have to wait and see whether or not Sony is right here. This speculation buzz is for the most part unfounded when it comes to the 3DS.

 

[Nargleblarg]

Oh BURN Nintendo your move now

........oh

 

[ranger19]

Honestly, I think Sony's wrong here. Everyone I've talked to about 3D televisions that require glasses, from my fellow technophile friends to girls who only care if the monitor can play Gossip Girl, think 3D with glasses is a waste of time and money. And it makes sense. What happens if you have some friends over to watch a movie on your super cool 3D television, but you don't have enough glasses? Either you forego the 3D effect or some of your friends miss out.

The fact that the tech exists to make glasses-free 3D but that it currently only works at a narrow field of view makes me think that the handheld is the clear platform of choice for its implementation. Think about it: when you're on a handheld you're usually playing on your own, so having a narrow range in which 3D works isn't a problem (as long as the 3D isn't so narrow as to make minor bumps and movements throw off the whole effect. That's a vital assumption to this whole thing.) And glasses-free 3D is cool, people want to try it. Those calling 3D a gimmick echo many who called the DS's touch screen a gimmick in 2004.

The problem is the mass public still hasn't seen the 3DS technology. We can't say that Sony is wrong until we see this glasses free 3D and see the public reaction. If the pre-Wii release buzz was any indicator it can show that industry insiders tend to grossly over hype capabilities of something. Then again the 3DS really doesn't have a "killer app" yet, so we can't says that the 3DS won't be great either. We'll just have to wait and see whether or not Sony is right here. This speculation buzz is for the most part unfounded when it comes to the 3DS.

You're completely right, no matter what might or might not be, how each company actually implements these new devices will be key to their success. I still think though, theoretically, if current glasses-free 3D works as it claims to, then it naturally fits a handheld better than anything else.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Oh BURN Nintendo your move now

........oh

yeah....but shovel-ware and 3rd party sales....

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Honestly, I think Sony's wrong here. Everyone I've talked to about 3D televisions that require glasses, from my fellow technophile friends to girls who only care if the monitor can play Gossip Girl, think 3D with glasses is a waste of time and money. And it makes sense. What happens if you have some friends over to watch a movie on your super cool 3D television, but you don't have enough glasses? Either you forego the 3D effect or some of your friends miss out.

The fact that the tech exists to make glasses-free 3D but that it currently only works at a narrow field of view makes me think that the handheld is the clear platform of choice for its implementation. Think about it: when you're on a handheld you're usually playing on your own, so having a narrow range in which 3D works isn't a problem (as long as the 3D isn't so narrow as to make minor bumps and movements throw off the whole effect. That's a vital assumption to this whole thing.) And glasses-free 3D is cool, people want to try it. Those calling 3D a gimmick echo many who called the DS's touch screen a gimmick in 2004.

The problem is the mass public still hasn't seen the 3DS technology. We can't say that Sony is wrong until we see this glasses free 3D and see the public reaction. If the pre-Wii release buzz was any indicator it can show that industry insiders tend to grossly over hype capabilities of something. Then again the 3DS really doesn't have a "killer app" yet, so we can't says that the 3DS won't be great either. We'll just have to wait and see whether or not Sony is right here. This speculation buzz is for the most part unfounded when it comes to the 3DS.

You're completely right, no matter what might or might not be, how each company actually implements these new devices will be key to their success. I still think though, theoretically, if current glasses-free 3D works as it claims to, then it naturally fits a handheld better than anything else.

Good point on the glasses free 3D being best suited for handheld. I just hope that Nintendo doesn't make this thing virtually impossible for any title that isn't a: 1st Party Series/Well Renown Series, casual game, game for younger audiences or remake/rehash to sell. Especially with two Resident Evil titles coming to the 3DS. If GTA Chinatown Wars was any indication of a well known series failing on a Nintendo console due simply because it was an "M" rated title, it doesn't bode well for those two RE games or Metal Gear Solid: Snake Eater 3D (especially not with MGS under-performing on handhelds in general.) The technology may be great, but if Nintendo can't market to anyone but casual gamers and those who wanna play the classics they will see a lot of that 3rd party support go away faster than it did on the Wii.

 

[D Moness]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

Love the fact people claim the battery life will be much better then the 3ds (while nothing has been said about it yet). Also many complaints about the 3ds price while sony's "price" (that is between 0 dollar and 600 dollar) appears to be normal.

Honestly speaking for myself if the battery life is around the same as the 3ds with everything on full and the price will be above 500 dollars i will be laughing my arse of for weeks.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

Ok first off need i remind you of Twilight? Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good.

Secondly lets look at the 3DS. Sure it looks cool and all that. But it also has a short battery life with 3d enabled. You have too keep it still to enjoy the 3d properly. So I must ask is there any point to adding a feature that gimps the system? That causes more harm than good? I think Sony is on the right track this time.

Well, until we've all used one, more or at all, we won't know the answers to that. We also don't know what the movement threshold is before the stereoscopy is lost. In the end, every technology has pros and cons. No next gen handheld will have the battery times that prior systems enjoyed. The hardware requirements are too high. POwer increases but battery technology isn't keeping up. Also I don't really see any justification for saying that the 3D 'does more harm than good'. I charge that that is impossible for you to maintain such an assertion objectively. On one hand we have shorter battery times and stricter viewing angles. On the other we have screen technology that already had strict viewing angles, but that now can help provide a 3D effect that is being universally praised. Besides, these are handhelds so how exactly are these critics intending to play them? To disregard those benefits as irrelevent or uneeded, it is the same as disregarding any other performance improvement. Any rationale towards what is 'needed' or not, will be most likely purely subjective. So really, I don't see much solid in your assertions above, because exactly the same charges could be layed on the Psp2.

Well the DSi has a battery life of over 10 hours. Maybe Nintendo could instead of making a new DS every year, focus on one version to make it as good as they can. Reported 3DS battery life is 5-6 hours. That is quite a drop from something they released only last year. Not saying you aren't right about next gen handhelds having crap battery, but battery development isn't moving as slow as you think. Especially not if the DSi XL can last up to 18 hours.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

Love the fact people claim the battery life will be much better then the 3ds (while nothing has been said about it yet). Also many complaints about the 3ds price while sony's "price" (that is between 0 dollar and 600 dollar) appears to be normal.

The complaints about the 3DS are kind of warranted though. The 3DS has 3D that no one in the mass consumer market has seen yet and is just now bringing Nintendo's handheld tech to a graphical level that we've seen on the PSP already. The PSP2 can run the Unreal Engine 3 and a demo of MGS4. I highly doubt Sony will make the price $600, or even as high as the PS3. They'll probably take a loss on the PSP2 itself just to make sales as they did with the PS3 in order to put it in more people's hands, who'll then buy games. Especially if it's coming for the holidays. Battery life will be short, that's a fact on both sides.

Honestly speaking for myself if the battery life is around the same as the 3ds with everything on full and the price will be above 500 dollars i will be laughing my arse of for weeks.

Honestly, if the PSP2/NGP can last as long as the 3DS while stocked with two touchpads, a 4 core processor, wifi, 3G, and Bluetooth while letting me play Uncharted in my hands on a bus ride, i'd be very, very impressed actually.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I don't care about 3D in the first place, so whatever, man.

 

[chif-ii]

...that's a touchscreen, isn't it.

*sigh* Typical Sony.

 

[D Moness]

The complaints about the 3DS are kind of warranted though. The 3DS has 3D that no one in the mass consumer market has seen yet and is just now bringing Nintendo's handheld tech to a graphical level that we've seen on the PSP already. The PSP2 can run the Unreal Engine 3 and a demo of MGS4. I highly doubt Sony will make the price $600, or even as high as the PS3. They'll probably take a loss on the PSP2 itself just to make sales as they did with the PS3 in order to put it in more people's hands, who'll then buy games. Especially if it's coming for the holidays. Battery life will be short, that's a fact on both sides.

I do agree with you that nintendo's machine's lately are not the most advanced. The problem is it isn't what the system can do but how it and the games on it are marketed.
I mean if consoles/handhelds would sell on how powerful they are, Sony would be king of the gaming market(i own a ps1 and a ps2 , only reason i do not have a ps3 is the whole blu-ray/ps3 marketing). Since sony's machines are really powerful machines.

About he NGP price i am not doing any guesses on it but getting a real ps3 deja-vu feeling.

 

[Zakarath]

I'm agreeing with Sony on this one. I have little interested in 3D; and them keeping it out likely means that the system will be cheaper than it would be with it.

 

[UberNoodle]

Ok first off need i remind you of Twilight? Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good.

Secondly lets look at the 3DS. Sure it looks cool and all that. But it also has a short battery life with 3d enabled. You have too keep it still to enjoy the 3d properly. So I must ask is there any point to adding a feature that gimps the system? That causes more harm than good? I think Sony is on the right track this time.

Well, until we've all used one, more or at all, we won't know the answers to that. We also don't know what the movement threshold is before the stereoscopy is lost. In the end, every technology has pros and cons. No next gen handheld will have the battery times that prior systems enjoyed. The hardware requirements are too high. POwer increases but battery technology isn't keeping up. Also I don't really see any justification for saying that the 3D 'does more harm than good'. I charge that that is impossible for you to maintain such an assertion objectively. On one hand we have shorter battery times and stricter viewing angles. On the other we have screen technology that already had strict viewing angles, but that now can help provide a 3D effect that is being universally praised. Besides, these are handhelds so how exactly are these critics intending to play them? To disregard those benefits as irrelevent or uneeded, it is the same as disregarding any other performance improvement. Any rationale towards what is 'needed' or not, will be most likely purely subjective. So really, I don't see much solid in your assertions above, because exactly the same charges could be layed on the Psp2.

Well the DSi has a battery life of over 10 hours. Maybe Nintendo could instead of making a new DS every year, focus on one version to make it as good as they can. Reported 3DS battery life is 5-6 hours. That is quite a drop from something they released only last year. Not saying you aren't right about next gen handhelds having crap battery, but battery development isn't moving as slow as you think. Especially not if the DSi XL can last up to 18 hours.

The DSi had no hardware change from the original DS, and that hardware was hardly that powerful. The 3DS is a very big step up from the DSi. The PSP2 (I refuse to be a part of Sony's obvious brainwashing attempt by making everybody say the words 'Next Generation Portable' over and over again. They may as well call the system the 'Best Portable in the Whole Wide World' - BPWWW) is a huge step up from the original PsP. Battery technology is not keeping up at such a rate, that's a sad truth. I would wager that a redux of both systems will contain magical 'longer battery life'.

 

[Atmos Duality]

Dear Sony,

This arrogant attitude isn't going to sell your new system.
It didn't sell the PS3 4 years ago, and all it did was make your company look like a prick.

Regards,
YOUR PAYING CUSTOMERS

 

[UberNoodle]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

Love the fact people claim the battery life will be much better then the 3ds (while nothing has been said about it yet). Also many complaints about the 3ds price while sony's "price" (that is between 0 dollar and 600 dollar) appears to be normal.

The complaints about the 3DS are kind of warranted though. The 3DS has 3D that no one in the mass consumer market has seen yet and is just now bringing Nintendo's handheld tech to a graphical level that we've seen on the PSP already. The PSP2 can run the Unreal Engine 3 and a demo of MGS4. I highly doubt Sony will make the price $600, or even as high as the PS3. They'll probably take a loss on the PSP2 itself just to make sales as they did with the PS3 in order to put it in more people's hands, who'll then buy games. Especially if it's coming for the holidays. Battery life will be short, that's a fact on both sides.

Honestly speaking for myself if the battery life is around the same as the 3ds with everything on full and the price will be above 500 dollars i will be laughing my arse of for weeks.

Honestly, if the PSP2/NGP can last as long as the 3DS while stocked with two touchpads, a 4 core processor, wifi, 3G, and Bluetooth while letting me play Uncharted in my hands on a bus ride, i'd be very, very impressed actually.

I think that that's not entirely accurate. The PSP hasn't shown us anything as good as the Resident Evil titles being developed on 3DS. In terms of visuals, I would say that the 3DS is more powerful and capable of better visuals than the PSP, but is that repeditive rise in graphical stakes all that gaming progression is about? Sony seems to think so. The thing is, consumers are not just the tech heads, but are also the discerning buyers who are more interested in what the game and the system does for them. Nintendo have realised this since they started in the video games industry. They release products which balance quite finely between tech orgasm and consumer/use suitability. Sony does the opposite, and it has unveilved some really dense tech in the PSP2, and I doubt it will have anywhere near the wide appeal that the 3DS is capable of. That's not a flaw as such, but I would very surprised if history doesn't repeat itself with the PSP2.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

Love the fact people claim the battery life will be much better then the 3ds (while nothing has been said about it yet). Also many complaints about the 3ds price while sony's "price" (that is between 0 dollar and 600 dollar) appears to be normal.

The complaints about the 3DS are kind of warranted though. The 3DS has 3D that no one in the mass consumer market has seen yet and is just now bringing Nintendo's handheld tech to a graphical level that we've seen on the PSP already. The PSP2 can run the Unreal Engine 3 and a demo of MGS4. I highly doubt Sony will make the price $600, or even as high as the PS3. They'll probably take a loss on the PSP2 itself just to make sales as they did with the PS3 in order to put it in more people's hands, who'll then buy games. Especially if it's coming for the holidays. Battery life will be short, that's a fact on both sides.

Honestly speaking for myself if the battery life is around the same as the 3ds with everything on full and the price will be above 500 dollars i will be laughing my arse of for weeks.

Honestly, if the PSP2/NGP can last as long as the 3DS while stocked with two touchpads, a 4 core processor, wifi, 3G, and Bluetooth while letting me play Uncharted in my hands on a bus ride, i'd be very, very impressed actually.

I think that that's not entirely accurate. The PSP hasn't shown us anything as good as the Resident Evil titles being developed on 3DS.

Yes they have. <youtube=UXSkncxYKic>

EDIT: My bad. I misread that. But I looked up actual gameplay videos for RE: Revelations. It looks about as good graphically as MGS Peace Walker did on the PSP so my point still stands.

Sony does the opposite, and it has unveilved some really dense tech in the PSP2, and I doubt it will have anywhere near the wide appeal that the 3DS is capable of.

What wide appeal? We've seen remakes, ports, and the usual suspects when it comes to the 3DS. That and the consumers haven't seen the glasses free 3D yet. Not exactly what I call wide. We've already seen titles on the DS like GTA Chinatown Wars bomb entirely simply due to the fact that Nintendo has strongly marketed themselves as the family friendly casual gaming company. That doesn't bode well for the RE games coming to the 3DS. There's also not that much of a wide range of appeal when it comes to the 3DS lauch titles. The two biggest ones that are going to be available at launch are Nintendogs 3D and Street Fighter 4 3D. That's it. And I know it's not just tech heads that are the consumers, but it's more of a core gamer vs. casual gamer thing with Sony and Nintendo. Sure Nintendo can appeal to a wider range or age groups and be family friendly for the most part, but casual gamers don't buy a lot of games. They also don't jump on pricey new items. Especially not with Nintendo's bad habit of making a new version of their handheld almost every single year. There may be less core gamers but they buy more games, and buy more 3rd party games, and core gamers will play the titles from the little guys. Games like the Holy Invasion Badman series from Acquire. And that's another thing that Nintendo really needs if it wants to keep it's 3rd party support from bailing/ giving them shovelware. They need to help the 3rd party be know to their consumers. Otherwise companies that make games like No More Heroes and Mad World will leave Nintendo.