Sony: 3D and Portable Devices Don't Mix

[AzrealMaximillion]

The complaints about the 3DS are kind of warranted though. The 3DS has 3D that no one in the mass consumer market has seen yet and is just now bringing Nintendo's handheld tech to a graphical level that we've seen on the PSP already. The PSP2 can run the Unreal Engine 3 and a demo of MGS4. I highly doubt Sony will make the price $600, or even as high as the PS3. They'll probably take a loss on the PSP2 itself just to make sales as they did with the PS3 in order to put it in more people's hands, who'll then buy games. Especially if it's coming for the holidays. Battery life will be short, that's a fact on both sides.

I do agree with you that nintendo's machine's lately are not the most advanced. The problem is it isn't what the system can do but how it and the games on it are marketed.
I mean if consoles/handhelds would sell on how powerful they are, Sony would be king of the gaming market(i own a ps1 and a ps2 , only reason i do not have a ps3 is the whole blu-ray/ps3 marketing). Since sony's machines are really powerful machines.

About he NGP price i am not doing any guesses on it but getting a real ps3 deja-vu feeling.

I hear ya on the marketing front bud. I still think Nintendo needs to throw 3rd party developers a bone in terms of marketing their console so that a GTA game isn't a commercial failure. (seriously how many times has GTA been in the Guinness World Records for worlds fastest selling/ highest selling on said platform, only to bomb on the DS with it's highest rated game ever?)

Honestly with Nintendo's marketing the Metal Gear Solid Snake Eater 3D game will not sell, and we won't see Kojima make a game for Nintendo for another 20 some odd years. Hell, Peace Walker has trouble making a profit and that game was amazing and well hyped. Wide range marketing is not Nintendo's strong suite. And comments like the one Sony is making in this article do not get seen by the mass consumer market so it's not really hurting them as much as some people who seem to hate Sony in this forum say it is.

 

[UberNoodle]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

Love the fact people claim the battery life will be much better then the 3ds (while nothing has been said about it yet). Also many complaints about the 3ds price while sony's "price" (that is between 0 dollar and 600 dollar) appears to be normal.

The complaints about the 3DS are kind of warranted though. The 3DS has 3D that no one in the mass consumer market has seen yet and is just now bringing Nintendo's handheld tech to a graphical level that we've seen on the PSP already. The PSP2 can run the Unreal Engine 3 and a demo of MGS4. I highly doubt Sony will make the price $600, or even as high as the PS3. They'll probably take a loss on the PSP2 itself just to make sales as they did with the PS3 in order to put it in more people's hands, who'll then buy games. Especially if it's coming for the holidays. Battery life will be short, that's a fact on both sides.

Honestly speaking for myself if the battery life is around the same as the 3ds with everything on full and the price will be above 500 dollars i will be laughing my arse of for weeks.

Honestly, if the PSP2/NGP can last as long as the 3DS while stocked with two touchpads, a 4 core processor, wifi, 3G, and Bluetooth while letting me play Uncharted in my hands on a bus ride, i'd be very, very impressed actually.

I think that that's not entirely accurate. The PSP hasn't shown us anything as good as the Resident Evil titles being developed on 3DS.

Yes they have.

Sony does the opposite, and it has unveilved some really dense tech in the PSP2, and I doubt it will have anywhere near the wide appeal that the 3DS is capable of.

What wide appeal? We've seen remakes, ports, and the usual suspects when it comes to the 3DS. That and the consumers haven't seen the glasses free 3D yet. Not exactly what I call wide. We've already seen titles on the DS like GTA Chinatown Wars bomb entirely simply due to the fact that Nintendo has strongly marketed themselves as the family friendly casual gaming company. That doesn't bode well for the RE games coming to the 3DS. There's also not that much of a wide range of appeal when it comes to the 3DS lauch titles. The two biggest ones that are going to be available at launch are Nintendogs 3D and Street Fighter 4 3D. That's it. And I know it's not just tech heads that are the consumers, but it's more of a core gamer vs. casual gamer thing with Sony and Nintendo. Sure Nintendo can appeal to a wider range or age groups and be family friendly for the most part, but casual gamers don't buy a lot of games. They also don't jump on pricey new items. Especially not with Nintendo's bad habit of making a new version of their handheld almost every single year. There may be less core gamers but they buy more games, and buy more 3rd party games, and core gamers will play the titles from the little guys. Games like the Holy Invasion Badman series from Acquire. And that's another thing that Nintendo really needs if it wants to keep it's 3rd party support from bailing/ giving them shovelware. They need to help the 3rd party be know to their consumers. Otherwise companies that make games like No More Heroes and Mad World will leave Nintendo.

That video is not from a PSP. Please read that quote from me again. In regard to 'wide appeal', again, I was talking about the DS brand, of which the 3DS is a part of and which it can easily inherit. Clearly I was talking about the long term and not the launch. It seems to me that you are purposely being obtuse. Additionally, the GTA game on DS does not at all prove that such hardcore titles are not and could not be received well on the DS. Like I said, the DS brand has wide appeal, which the PSP did not manage to gain. You also appear to be focusing on my points about the DS but not at all touching on how those same factors affect the PSP. Why is that? It seems to me that you are following the 'disprove one; prove the other' logical fallacy. Please read my post again, properly, in the context I wrote for.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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It seems to me that you are following the 'disprove one; prove the other' logical fallacy. Please read my post again, properly, in the context I wrote for.

That video is not from a PSP. Please read that quote from me again.

Read my edit for one. I realized my mistake on that.

In regard to 'wide appeal', again, I was talking about the DS brand, of which the 3DS is a part of and which it can easily inherit. Clearly I was talking about the long term and not the launch.

I know that. But a brand is just a name. I'm arguing long term as well. Talking about how Nintendo needs to support 3rd Partys devs better so that it isn't all just games that fall under Nintendo's target market that sell. That's long term. Long term relationships with the 3rd party helps keep shovelware from hitting a comnany like it has the DS and the Wii.

Additionally, the GTA game on DS does not at all prove that such hardcore titles are not and could not be received well on the DS.

I never said that they couldn't be well received. I said they don't sell. GTA:CW is the highest rated DS game to date, but is a commercial failure. It comes from a series that has held multiple Guinness World Records for "highest selling game on X platform" as well as has seen nothing but critical acclaim, yet still was a commercial failure due to it not being part of the target market for the DS.

Like I said, the DS brand has wide appeal, which the PSP did not manage to gain.

That's due to Nintendo marketing the DS brand as a "for everyone" brand. Sony's marketing for the PSP was atrocious. That's no secret what with them focusing on cell phone gaming as their main competitor. Yet they still managed to sell over 65 million units being the only other handheld competitor for the DS. Whether you like it or not the PSP is a success, not winning success, but a financial success. The PSP brand isn't really marketed for a certain demographic like the DS brand is. You know when you buy a DS that you'll get Mario, Zelda, Metroid, and other classic characters most gamers grew up with. You'll also get games that people of all ages can play. The PSP brand is marketed as a gaming platform. Not too much more. You know you'll get your SEC games like God of War and Killzone. You'll also get Metal Gear and Tekken. The thing is you'll hear of games for all kinds of gamers. Casual to core. SOCOM to Loco Roco and Patapon. As a brand the PSP is known for all gamers and not just "the family".

You also appear to be focusing on my points about the DS but not at all touching on how those same factors affect the PSP. Why is that?

Well, it wouldn't make sense for me to argue your point for you now would it? That and you didn't really talk about the 3DS The same points also don't work for both platforms here buddy.

Nintendo is the company that doesn't help 3rd party developers. Not a point for Sony.

Sony's marketing is horrible. Not a point for Nintendo.

I didn't miss your context either. I made some precise points involving the consumers. You were much more broad just stating the the brand was better for the DS. To be fair I can't see Sony beating the 3DS this time either. Their marketing has gotten better but they need to competitively price. Otherwise it'll be another 3:1 ratio sales win for Nintendo. That is unless the 3DS' price doesn't hurt it.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

All I'm hearing is 3D can't be experience properly unless you buy 3D TV from Sony.

I'll laugh if the 3DS is a huge success and sales like crazy so later on, the PSP2 3D 2Go is released.

Either way, Sony's gone to mock the 3DS cause it's damn cheaper then a stupid TV that does 3D and Sony hates it when people buy something they didn't make.

Love the fact people claim the battery life will be much better then the 3ds (while nothing has been said about it yet). Also many complaints about the 3ds price while sony's "price" (that is between 0 dollar and 600 dollar) appears to be normal.

Honestly speaking for myself if the battery life is around the same as the 3ds with everything on full and the price will be above 500 dollars i will be laughing my arse of for weeks.

-Blinks- When did I say anything about the battery life?

 

[D Moness]

-Blinks- When did I say anything about the battery life?

Nowhere just agreed with you that is why i did quote it. Just wanted to add a small personal opinion about it as well. Maybe i should have made that a bit more clear, that is my fault.

 

[Gindil]

I have to think that Sony is failing hard. It got lucky with the PSX, then the PS2 came and was decent. But when Nintendo is threatened in the handheld gaming platform, it CRUSHES its competition...

Sony is in over its league and can't really compete because they don't really know what they're doing.

Most of my opinion is influenced by what The Game Overthinker [http://screwattack.com/videos/TGO-EPISODE-39-The-Emperor-Has-No-Clothes] has to say.

 

[Asuka Soryu]

-Blinks- When did I say anything about the battery life?

Nowhere just agreed with you that is why i did quote it. Just wanted to add a small personal opinion about it as well. Maybe i should have made that a bit more clear, that is my fault.

Ah. I was a bit off.