Do you believe that had you bought disk versios of XBO games that they somehow wouldn't have fallen into the same category? It has been my experience that if one requires internet connection, both do.Carnagath said:
Sony: Gamers Don't Want Digital "Right Now"
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You can say it a million times again but it doesn't change the fact that it wont happen because it would be illegal. They would have to drop the msrp for physical copies by the same amount.wulfy42 said:
In my experience, personality's worth about £5. Not that you're ever likely to save even that much on a digital sale of a new console game. Unless they start letting other places sell digital codes for their games, the only people you're going to get buying digital copies for new console games are the complete suckers of the world.wooty said:
I do like digital. Even living in one of Microsoft "black zones", I have no problem with a future where all games can be acquire digitally. Except for some few, I acquired many games digitally this generation, and I think its great...
I just think all of them (Microsoft, Sony, Steam, etc) have a lot of room to improve in their service; and just because I like digital as an option, doesn't mean I like it when its the only option.
I just think all of them (Microsoft, Sony, Steam, etc) have a lot of room to improve in their service; and just because I like digital as an option, doesn't mean I like it when its the only option.
Except that EA and Valve both sell at lower-than-MSRP prices on their respective stores quite frequently. And Nintendo is doing precisely what wulfy42 suggested with New Super Luigi U.Little Gray said:
If there are anti-anticompetitive laws to prevent behavior like this, I'm sure they could at least make some sort of minor tweak to differentiate the versions, so they're considered different products. Hell, it could be argued the retail product is already worth more due to the inclusion of a physical instruction booklet.
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Let me clarify my statement a bit. In the previous state of their DRM policy, indeed, disk or no disk would have probably been irrelevant, due to the 24 hour check-thing, which devs/publishers would have most certainly used as an excuse to make all their games online-only. Now however, since the console will not require an internet connection, a disk-based game will have to either be perfectly playable offline, or at least explicitly state that they require an internet connection (so that you know not to buy them, unless it's actually a mupliplayer-only game). So, indeed, with their new policy, your future access to your games will be safe. In a digital-only console though, you basically have zero guarrantees that Microsoft will not brick everything you own whenever they feel like dropping online support. That's why, in a hypothetical fully-digital console, backwards compatibility will be an absolute must, so you can at least transfer your library between hardware generations.Lightknight said:
PS4 games are all going to be 50 GBs. The plus side is that you can at least upgrade the HDD. Small favours, I know.Lightknight said:
It's a shame we don't have an infrastructure that will work, but hey. Americans don't like to perform services.
I mainly use DDL as a novelty for obtaining old arcade games on a console or for my main method of purchasing PC titles.
I tend to prefer a physical product when it comes to music,movies and games. That's not to say I completely object to DDL, just that the benefits don't tend to outweigh the costs for me.
I tend to prefer a physical product when it comes to music,movies and games. That's not to say I completely object to DDL, just that the benefits don't tend to outweigh the costs for me.
Why would it be litigation? A company says buy a game retail for £55 or download it a version on PSN+ or live for £35. What is the issue? Just giving you two choices to buy a game. Its legal.kiri2tsubasa said:
I will always prefer physical copies.
It's really cool to have the immediacy and convenience of digital games. But they can quickly eat up HDD space (depending on your HDD size I guess) and they're pretty big downloads a lot of the time.
And there's really no beating the feeling of popping a game in. You can't put digital games on a shelf and show off your collection, either.
The vast majority of the time, I'll only buy a game digitally if it's only offered digitally.
It's really cool to have the immediacy and convenience of digital games. But they can quickly eat up HDD space (depending on your HDD size I guess) and they're pretty big downloads a lot of the time.
And there's really no beating the feeling of popping a game in. You can't put digital games on a shelf and show off your collection, either.
The vast majority of the time, I'll only buy a game digitally if it's only offered digitally.
The day consoles go all digital, is the day they are no longer consoles. Nor worthy of my time and money. I have no need for a glorified PC with a closed market. Also digital works best if you have great internet. Not everyone does. Mine is terrible, and I'd rather just pop in a disc and play than wait for a day and half to download a game. So in short, no thanks. Give me a physical disc any day. That way I actually have something tangible for my purchase. Beyond that Jim said it best, there are no benefits at the moment.
Let's see, my current problems with digital.
Infrastructure (not in the hands of the games industry at all, but there you have it). The best plan available here caps out at 80 gigs a month. General usage can easily rack into 20 gigs by itself. If one starts popping down 3-4 gig games in full (and the barrage of patches and firmware updates), you can eat that fast.
PS Plus does a bit of work on the pricing issue, but the digital content is still often equaling the retail content. This becomes even sillier when store promotions or the like knock the game price down but the online store is still sitting at 60 even when the games in a 10 dollar bin at Walmart.
Retailers are offering better service when it comes up. If the disk goes kaput for some reason, one can generally trade it back for a working copy under most stores policy. If my 4 (I think it is) downloads all muck up or somehow get corrupted, I get hosed.
Hard Drive space, the current consoles didn't ship with a hard drive that could possibly hold my whole library in digital. Both Cloud systems are again heavy on bandwidth use, and require the Plus/Gold services.
I'm not a kid, but thats also a decently large section of gamers. A lot of parents are not gonna punch in their credit card on their kids system and risk getting mauled by the kid being absent-minded and going "click click click click". Although PS and MS both have their points cards (Steam doesn't, which is irritating as heck).
Infrastructure (not in the hands of the games industry at all, but there you have it). The best plan available here caps out at 80 gigs a month. General usage can easily rack into 20 gigs by itself. If one starts popping down 3-4 gig games in full (and the barrage of patches and firmware updates), you can eat that fast.
PS Plus does a bit of work on the pricing issue, but the digital content is still often equaling the retail content. This becomes even sillier when store promotions or the like knock the game price down but the online store is still sitting at 60 even when the games in a 10 dollar bin at Walmart.
Retailers are offering better service when it comes up. If the disk goes kaput for some reason, one can generally trade it back for a working copy under most stores policy. If my 4 (I think it is) downloads all muck up or somehow get corrupted, I get hosed.
Hard Drive space, the current consoles didn't ship with a hard drive that could possibly hold my whole library in digital. Both Cloud systems are again heavy on bandwidth use, and require the Plus/Gold services.
I'm not a kid, but thats also a decently large section of gamers. A lot of parents are not gonna punch in their credit card on their kids system and risk getting mauled by the kid being absent-minded and going "click click click click". Although PS and MS both have their points cards (Steam doesn't, which is irritating as heck).
Actually gamers want choice. For example, I have over 600 steam games and 100mb/s internet, so you would expect me to praise 100% digital right? Well wrong. I like choice, and for the games I don't value much I get as digital (or some I get both, digital for conveniance and physical to collect). Any game I value I get physical copies of, usually collectors editions, as they have value and I have something to show for them. Not to mention I wont get a digital game for over $30 and usually not for less than 75% off, where as physical I'm happy to pay $150+ if the collectors edition offers the right items. It's called choice, and competition, I have no intention to lose them.kajinking said:
Well, I like both.
That's right, I like digital and physical copies.
I love having the actual disc/cartridge. It's satisfying to have it and hold it. Plus, it's not inconvenient for me to take a drive to the store and stop to buy a game. So, it's not at all inconvenient for me.
Though, being able to download a game directly from the server and do something else in the meantime is nice. And my connection speed is pretty good, so I can download and install pretty decent games in a reasonable amount of time. Thus, both are good to me.
So, bring them both on. I welcome physical copies and digital service. And making it worth my time and money on a digital copy doesn't hurt. PS+ is a big step in the right direction, I think.
That's right, I like digital and physical copies.
I love having the actual disc/cartridge. It's satisfying to have it and hold it. Plus, it's not inconvenient for me to take a drive to the store and stop to buy a game. So, it's not at all inconvenient for me.
Though, being able to download a game directly from the server and do something else in the meantime is nice. And my connection speed is pretty good, so I can download and install pretty decent games in a reasonable amount of time. Thus, both are good to me.
So, bring them both on. I welcome physical copies and digital service. And making it worth my time and money on a digital copy doesn't hurt. PS+ is a big step in the right direction, I think.
Yeah, it makes me sad that so many people want everything to go digital at the expense of physical copies. I don't mind digital downloading (I don't have a whole ton of alternatives for PC games, after all), but really, nothing beats looking at my collection of console games, shuffling through and organizing all of my boxes, hearing that pleasant whirrr as the disc slides in and console starts up... wait, what was I saying?wooty said:
Of course, my internet takes an hour to download a single gigabyte at the best of times and games have been growing exponentially larger this generation, so assuming it keeps going on the same path in this coming generation, it's far more convenient for me to go and pick up a physical copy of a game than to spend an entire day or more downloading it.
Make it convenient or make it cheap. No one is going to pay the same price or a tiny bit less for a copy that can be used on fewer systems, which is why CDs are still a thing.