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Canadamus Prime

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"You don't have to get anything, guys."
I know I don't. That's why I'm probably be skipping this console generation. Well that and I can't afford any of them anyway. But yeah I've never understood why people have felt that they had to pick sides in this so-called "console war." No you don't. You can enjoy more than one console, the other one isn't going to nail you to a cross and light you on fire. Or as it stands now, you don't have to pick any of them. If they're all horrid just to varying degrees, which seems to be the case, then you don't have to pick any of them. It's truly a sad state of affairs we're in when we don't get to choose which one is best, but can only choose whichever one is the least horrible.
 

Roxas1359

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My main issue with this is that this renders the HD PVRs completely useless since the HDMI port on the PS4 and Xbox One are HDCP encrypted. I saw Microsoft's editor and I was not impressed. What I need is a way to get the videos from my console and onto my computer so I could put it through a real editor like Sony Vegas. I have to do a lot of editing in sound and with watermarks for the site I'm with. So if I can retrieve the videos from my hard drive then great.

For the record I don't monetize videos and I'm not getting into a debate about it because I've seen many anti-LPer comments on this site...>.>
 

Something Amyss

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Of course they HAVE to buy it, you charismatic stallion! These are GAMERS we're talking about. Saying "no" is as alien to us as drinking Windex.

Fappy said:
There are some games that have had this functionality on consoles for years (Halo's the best example I can think of). I have never heard of them running into any big issues in regards to game play footage and the like. In all honesty, most people are just going to use it for multiplayer replays anyway, so I doubt the average gamer is going to pay it much attention. It's cool for those who want to use it, but so far it's not looking like they'll be shoving it down our throats or anything.
It's never been hyped as a central feature before, so there may be a different response here. There are issues in opening this to a wider audience, though they may never become serious ones.
 

Therumancer

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Err, well I expect this feature to be cut in short order. For those that don't remember "Playstation Home" was originally conceived, and promoted as, being pretty much an entirely free version of "Second Life" that would be attached to all of your PS-3 systems. It was going to allow people to create their own content, as well as record
and stream videos. Immediately Sony started backpedaling on this when it started to think about it, going from freedom to "well, it will be like Second Life without all the naked people in the sky" which is almost a direct quote. Then it went from that to the removal of all user generated content since Sony could not only not police it, but also realized that it would be better for them to make all the money from microtransactions by selling avatar customization, furniture, and other assorted things. Video recording and streaming followed shortly there after, along with other features like being able to attach yourself as a rider to someone else's game, or say play a PS-3 game with the display miniaturized to fit on a TV screen in your "Home" Apartment so other people as Avatars could watch... and yeah well, the bottom line is that even if some of this happened later (and I'm not sure if it did) it all seemed to get axed before release so I went from being fairly excited to never even loading up the "Home" Feature.

The point here being that Sony has a history of promising people all kinds of neat features and freedom, but then not delivering on it, and cutting it away one piece at a time. Whether it's intentional... generating a lot of hype for things they never plan to deliver and hoping the audience more or less stays intact if they remove the features and promises slowly enough, or genuine and simply falls apart as corporate paranoia sets in, I do not know. Analyzing what can and will be done with a feature like this is pointless because it smacks of exactly the kind of thing Sony promises and then never delivers on in the long run.

As far as the whole set if "Let's Play" controversies go, well all I can say is that I tend to lump the entire thing into the category of general gaming industry douchebaggery at this point. Microsoft is already being careful to avoid claiming they are selling anything, as opposed to "licensing" in their ads and promotions, so there is no expectation of control or ownership, and the entire industry seems to be adopting similar attitudes and personas. At the end of the day they are out to attack anything that anyone does with their properties that they do not directly control, using any justification they can to pretty much turn gaming into an intellectual police state. To be honest I suspect it's going to snowball, if they win on the whole "Let's Play" issue, and let's be honest... they will, because guys making video playthroughs of games for fun generally don't have the resources to fight corporate lawyers, I expect the precedents from those victories to be creatively interpreted and used as a springboard to attack reviewers and critics who reveal or show anything about a game without their permission when it casts them in a negative light. After all if it's established someone doing a LP is violating the laws by showing the whole game without permission, it's only a small step to turn that into parts of the game legally... and that means any mention of the plot, characters, etc... or use of it's graphics or music without permission, even those from trailers, could potentially be a violation. Once the precedent gets established all it takes is a dedicated legal team to keep rolling it along to more ridiculous extremes.
 

triggrhappy94

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Yahtzee said:
I won't if they keep trying to get me to watch their spoiler-tastic gameplay videos
That wouldn't happen to be a cut at Shamus Young and his LP series, The Spoiler Warning Show, would it?
 

tardcore

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Well the problem Yahtzee is I'm sure Sony doesn't care. These console companies aren't trying to add these features for the convenience of the consumer but to take control of their media habits by becoming their media provider. Forget that third party unreliable renegade media outlet, our video center is the "One True Voice" of the PS4 generation (some restrictions may apply, ignore the man behind the curtain).

Its just a part of their continuing quest for market domination to become the One Company to rule them all, One Company to sign them, One Company to own them all, and in legalities bind them.
 

MeChaNiZ3D

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The thing about LPs is that games are largely the experience of the player. That's why I think LPs are justified in their existence and do not ruin the game for potential players. Because you're not getting anywhere near the full experience. But I have no studies and no data, so shall we move on before someone requires I provide numbers as to the percentage of people who are just as happy watching an LP as playing the game, percentage of potential buyers who feel an LP eliminated their need to buy a game, and buyers generated from LPs vs buyers lost by LPs, all of which are ridiculously hard to measure.

But as for the actual feature, I doubt they'll just provide a nice file onto the PS4 that you can take elsewhere and edit, but I don't know, do I? I have no fucking idea. So can we please evaluate at the proper time. Although...I don't think Sony has included this feature as much for the utility of the player as for advertising to other players. Like how Facebook games get players to request things from their friends who don't play.
 

Covarr

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Where are these ?official? LPs Yahtzee speaks of? Someone got a link?

P.S. Thanks

P.P.S. Sweet, "P.S. Thanks" actually made sense in context for a change.
 

Snooder

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I think Yahtzee is missing the point of the "share" button.

I doubt it's intended to act in any way like a "Let's Play" with video editing and all that fancy jazz. It would be very odd to put something that robust and involved on the controller itself, not to mention the logistical and technical nightmare of getting it work with multiple games, licensing some sort of video editing software, creating a platform to display and moderate all those different videos, e.t.c. Sony may wind up doing something like that later, but it sure as fuck won't be free and the introduction to it will be a lot more involved than just "hey, send clips to your friends." I could see that sort of thing being introduced as a later app on the PS4 store though. Hey, if people are using capture cards to record stuff anyway, why wouldn't Sony want to get a small bite of that market on the low end.

It's pretty clear that the share button supposed to be more like a "print screen" button for the PS4. A quick and short way to capture a clip of action to send to people on your friend's list.
 

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I just want to reiterate that one sure doesn't HAVE to get any of the new consoles. Hell, if one really, REALLY wants a new machine but doesn't want all the bullcrappery that the new machines come with, get a PC... or MAC even! I hear they are starting to get somewhat decent support lately.
 

Kahani

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Fappy said:
There are some games that have had this functionality on consoles for years.
All PC games have had this functionality for years. If it's not built into the game itself, you can simply use an external program like Fraps.

Silentpony said:
I think the premise that if you want to WIN you have to stop gaming is incredibly depressing.
Correction - the premise is that if you want to win you have to stop console gaming. I'm not saying this because I'm a card-carrying member of the elitist PC gaming master race, but because the entire problem stems from the simple fact that there is no longer any such thing as console gaming in the first place. Consoles are no longer games consoles, they're just PCs with a different name. Watch TV and films, browse the internet, talk to your friends, record and post videos, and so on. That's a PC. This is the entire problem with consoles now - no-one is trying to simply make the best gaming system they can, they're just trying to make the best disguise they can for a PC in the hope that no-one will notice that's all they're selling.
 

FallenMessiah88

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I just hope that all these "social gaming" aspects will be optional. Maybe I'll warm up to the idea eventually, but right now I don't feel like my "sharing" my gaming experiences with anyone, at least not the way Sony has in mind. That being said, the PS4 still looks quite promising.
 

Lightknight

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I didn't realize that this was a topic that warranted much attention. That it's allowed at all is a step forwards. Ready or not. People who waste their time with cock avatars and biased names aren't exactly going to gain any kind of traction with viewers except to laugh at them.

So I don't think it's any more of a threat to them than Youtube already posts. Anyone who is savy enough to use the ps3 to upload videos had better understand the intricacies of clicking on youtube play icons.
 

Silentpony_v1legacy

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Kahani said:
Fappy said:
There are some games that have had this functionality on consoles for years.
All PC games have had this functionality for years. If it's not built into the game itself, you can simply use an external program like Fraps.

Silentpony said:
I think the premise that if you want to WIN you have to stop gaming is incredibly depressing.
Correction - the premise is that if you want to win you have to stop console gaming. I'm not saying this because I'm a card-carrying member of the elitist PC gaming master race, but because the entire problem stems from the simple fact that there is no longer any such thing as console gaming in the first place. Consoles are no longer games consoles, they're just PCs with a different name. Watch TV and films, browse the internet, talk to your friends, record and post videos, and so on. That's a PC. This is the entire problem with consoles now - no-one is trying to simply make the best gaming system they can, they're just trying to make the best disguise they can for a PC in the hope that no-one will notice that's all they're selling.
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I have a 360 and a damn good gaming laptop, and I can't tell the difference. The 360 IS a computer, yes, but that also means my laptop is now a gaming console. Is it fair to say PC gaming is the wave of the future when the same damn games come out for it? I don't think so. Last time I checked all the big AAA games came out for PC and they're as bad with a mouse/keyboard as they are with a controller. What really is the difference between COD for the PC and COD for the 360? I honestly can't tell.
The problem isn't the medium by which we play games. Same thing applies to movies. The Room doesn't magically get better because you watch it on your laptop rather than a TV. The problem is that current gen games and game companies are horrible. Maybe there are a few indie games, but again, 90% of them are utter crap and gamers convince themselves they're good because...well...its less depressing to say at least PCs have decent games. And I don't think they do. For every crappy indie 360 game there are a dozen crappy FTL-like games on Steam.
The console is not the problem. The games are.
 

TheUnbeholden

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MooShoo said:
"you don't have to get anything, guys."

Indeed. I have a PS2 and X360 and I am pretty sure I am just going to skip this generation of consoles and turn my focus on PC for a while.
Yes. I have decided this as well.. are standards are getting to low. I could not find one good thing about PS4 or Wii U.. it just seems like people expect to "might as well get something".
Eventhough the vast majority of us already have a Wii/PS3 or Xbox360.. with a sizable portion using a cheap PC.

I think this is a clear case of Blueray syndrome. We don't need a newer version of the console because we're already happy with the current ones, and the new ones aren't offering anything good. I think I'll focus more on my PC for now and play the titles I missed out on Xbox 360 (you won't be able to play those titles on Xbone anyways).


Silentpony said:
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. I have a 360 and a damn good gaming laptop, and I can't tell the difference. The 360 IS a computer, yes, but that also means my laptop is now a gaming console. Is it fair to say PC gaming is the wave of the future when the same damn games come out for it? I don't think so. Last time I checked all the big AAA games came out for PC and they're as bad with a mouse/keyboard as they are with a controller. What really is the difference between COD for the PC and COD for the 360? I honestly can't tell.
The problem isn't the medium by which we play games. Same thing applies to movies. The Room doesn't magically get better because you watch it on your laptop rather than a TV. The problem is that current gen games and game companies are horrible. Maybe there are a few indie games, but again, 90% of them are utter crap and gamers convince themselves they're good because...well...its less depressing to say at least PCs have decent games. And I don't think they do. For every crappy indie 360 game there are a dozen crappy FTL-like games on Steam.
The console is not the problem. The games are.
Yes... high quality indie titles, mods and certain above average triple A titles
(all 3 are hard to find).
I would say the problem lies with publishers not wanting to take risks, and the funny thing is, the amount of money they put into advertising, vastly improving graphical hardware, hiring hollywood actors to do voice over and designing new engines, IS RISKY.. because it's all very expensive. They "hope" to make that money back by appealing to a larger audience, and that just doesn't happen often enough.
Hence Square Enix head, quitting, sad and desperate for a job.

The industry has to change in order for it to survive.

But then again, I find it hard to find TV shows, books or movies I find interesting. Trying to find anything good is always a chore, but it's a chore I'm happy to do because I always have something to fallback on (Zomboid, True Blood, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead and Anne Rice novels).
It's not as difficult on the PC to find something I like, but things good be better..
 

008Zulu_v1legacy

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I bet the shareable movies will be limited in length, maybe 2 minutes. Will require you to have their subscription. And of course, accept a phone book's length Terms of Service agreement.
 

Reeve

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I'm considering buying Sony's and/or Nintendo's latest consoles not because I want them but for the tactical purpose of making sure that Microsoft don't make as much money.
 

CrazyCapnMorgan

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medv4380 said:
Clearly the LP is free advertising for Nintendo, or anyone, is false. If it were advertising it would spur on sales. Do you see Nintendo getting a big sales boost from LP? There is a good argument to be made that the LP that shows you the entire game puts a negative effect on game sales since you no longer have incentive to get the game.

Nintendo is at least taking the less evil route. You get to use their game footage however you please, but you can't make money off of it. It'll decrease the pirates that show you the entire game as a "movie", and people who have something neat to show everyone can get to show everyone.

As for Sony's option to let people record games I'm concerned for other reasons. Recording take a lot of processing power from the card. It's a feature that will work in the short term, but if games start using all the power of the processor then attempting to record a game will turn it into rubbish quickly.
I have to call bullshit on this as well.

I am currently saving up money to get myself a Vita and Persona 4 Golden. Why this system and the game? I cannot tell you how many times I've watched a YouTube uploader by the name of omegaevolution and his Persona 4 Golden vids.

Ho. Ly. Shit.

I've done all I can to stem my Persona 4 fix by getting Persona 4 Arena for the PS3 and by finding english dubs of Persona 4 The Animation online before actually accruing the money needed to obtain this.

Hell, if anything, the videos not only sold the game, but it sold the damn system along WITH it.

However, while it is true that videos CAN show games in a negative light, if done properly, the video can help sell games that, otherwise, wouldn't have gotten much attention.
 

medv4380

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
However, while it is true that videos CAN show games in a negative light, if done properly, the video can help sell games that, otherwise, wouldn't have gotten much attention.
Demos sell copies too, but there is plenty of data to show they actually end up costing more sales in the end.

It also doesn't matter. Profiting off of someone else's work and not playing them for it is theft. You use someones music in a commercial product you have to pay them. You use someone else's art you have to pay them. Games are no different, and theft is theft.

How hard it is to actually ask permission? You want to profit off of it you better ask permission.

The issue is who has the right to make profit off of the product, and that's the creator of the product. A good parallel to this is Dragon Ball Z and Hellsing Abridged. Team Four Star does a good job coming up with Fan derivative art. However, they don't make any profit off of it. They have a nice disclaimer on the front giving credit where credit is due. Heck I saw one of their team in person a few weeks ago and he thought it would be fun to pull up the Ghost Nappa Song for everyone and did a search for it to flip out that someone has re-posted it with commercials. Team Four Start knows that profiting off of their own work is illegal. How is it that LPers are too dense to understand that.