Space marine demo; thoughts?
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Have you read the 40k novel Helsreach?Legion IV said:
That's so far the only book I've read that's about Astartes fighting orcs, and I think the game captured the feeling of that kind of fight pretty decently. The health system isn't that bad: Simply think of the execution-moves as "kill the orcs before they can swarm you and hit the weak spots of your armour". Of course it's not really consistent with the lore that you heal when you stomp the head of an orc, but it's a good gameplay idea and blends nicely with the general atmosphere.
Furthermore, you can adjust the difficulty level if that enhances the experience for you.
I have to admit, in some regards it is suboptimal. But I'm still perfectly fine with that and stay excited for it.Cheshire the Cat said:
You should look at it from this perspective as well: If it was a game solely made for 40k-fans, it would have never gotten the budget it has now, what would have meant an experience with universally less quality.
I personally think that it is a pretty good compromise between "lore" and "streamlining".
We still could have got away much worse with the balance between those two.
Dawn of War 2 is great too, even though it doesn't take it that exactly with keeping itself to lore ("Direct hit by a plasma-cannon! Oh, that banshee is still alive...").
OT: Great demo. I needed some time getting into the gameplay, but then it got really entertaining.
In my humble opinion it did a excellent job in putting you in the boots of a Space Marine.
I'm definitely looking forward to the full game!
My only concern is that it is not really as "dark" as the 40k universe would be.
Yes, there were blood, gore and corpses, but it still was generally quite bright and somehow lacked a bit of the "grimdark" warhammer-feeling I got from the books I've read.
Going for another play-through now!
Seconded. A few months ago I created my own chapter for the Deathwatch pen&paper RPG; I even wrote a 3-page history - and now I actually get to play them! Awesome! I usually don't even care about multiplayer, but for this one I actually upgraded my XBL membership.Corporal Yakob said:
Heh, you got me there. Sometimes I wonder if he's secretly trying to sabotage the franchise:Cheshire the Cat said:
Thanks to the emperor that they got it right.
I was very sceptical when the leaked alpha footage was shown and they talked about "the bolter beeing a tool to distract your enemy while you get into CC". Things looked pretty nice in the trailers and vlogs, and I had a look at Mr.Biscuits "WTF is" on the matter.
This is how it should feel. It looks fast paced, gory and very atmospheric indeed. The thing I loved the most in the demo was oddly enough how they presented the lasrifles of the guardsmen. THATS what I always wanted them to look and sound like ! Powerful laserpointers filling the room with a strobing lightshow and orks screaming in pain because they get cut in half by several tiny dots of light.
Lovely. The bolters on the other hand... well they look allright, but I would have gone for an even deeper sound when firing. Personal taste propably.
A quick search confirmed that this will have coop mode, so I'll prolly preorder this one at my gamestop to get the Dark Templar skins...
I was very sceptical when the leaked alpha footage was shown and they talked about "the bolter beeing a tool to distract your enemy while you get into CC". Things looked pretty nice in the trailers and vlogs, and I had a look at Mr.Biscuits "WTF is" on the matter.
This is how it should feel. It looks fast paced, gory and very atmospheric indeed. The thing I loved the most in the demo was oddly enough how they presented the lasrifles of the guardsmen. THATS what I always wanted them to look and sound like ! Powerful laserpointers filling the room with a strobing lightshow and orks screaming in pain because they get cut in half by several tiny dots of light.
Lovely. The bolters on the other hand... well they look allright, but I would have gone for an even deeper sound when firing. Personal taste propably.
A quick search confirmed that this will have coop mode, so I'll prolly preorder this one at my gamestop to get the Dark Templar skins...
I just finished it for the 2nd time now, and even after playing it again, it didn't feel repetitive, in choose to play it on normal, and at first I thought they had made the game too easy....but then the Nob came...and then 2 at the same time xD that really surprised me haha, though we all know the orcs strength lies in numbers, and of course bigger orcs. Takes like 4-5 mags of the Stalker Boltgun to kill the Nobs haha.
Metalhandkerchief said:
Umm total an utter bullshit: the fluff is the tru ability and the TT is an attempt to make a game balanced to actually play.
If you ahd actually bothered to read any fluff properly, you'll see that is not the way the universe works. A Space Marine strike force in the fluff can be as little as afew squads sent to subdue a planet. The Space marine forces for the Damocles Gulf Crusade had a few squads from a few chapters and a single captain from 1 chapter and a vet sargeant from another as their leaders. You reference Tau rail guns well if you'd read Savage Scars (a book mainly from SM point of view) you would see tau Railguns 1 shotting tanks and vapourising marines yet you can't have a weapon on TT becasue it would be massively OP oh look i've killed your tanks and all the units stood behind it.
Yet on tabletop you can't have anythign other than a captain to lead your army, and any SM force no matter how small can be lead by the Chapter Master. Chapter Masters are massive baddasses that a rarely even seen on the battlefield because there is no need.
In SM you play a SM Captain you are meant to be one of the most powerful strongest tactically knowledgable soldier to walk the battlefields of the 41st Millenium I wouldn't want to play a game based on the TT game that would be now fun at all, I'm a Space marine and I can kill about 4 orcs before it die, wow that would be fun.
As for my experience, I've played 40k for over 20 years, including some time spent working for Games Workshop, so I don't know how you think your misinformed opinion stacks up against that.
Good grief! It's called fluff, not lore! Lore is from silly games like WoW. Fluff is the term for, well, fluff, in WH40K.
Other than that: I loved the demo! Having been a fan of 40K since I got the Space Crusade game, and having played and painted since, I felt that this was pretty much pitch perfect.
Other than that: I loved the demo! Having been a fan of 40K since I got the Space Crusade game, and having played and painted since, I felt that this was pretty much pitch perfect.
From one of the developer diary's Relic states that they over-saturated the colours to get away from the browny grey muck that pervades modern "realistic" games.Totenkopf said:
never been big on the hammer, i'll take a power axe, jump pack and plasma pistol thoughZarmi said:
also: a chapter that i like as well
(Black Templar) but I'll make to with the blueberry'sthe demo is downloading now, cant wait
It will indeed. However, it has not yet been clarified if the co-op will be online, local or both. Also, the co-op will not be available right away; the devs said it needed some more fine-tuning, so it'll be released via DLC (free for anyone who bought the game new) about a month after the game comes out.LorienvArden said:
It's tucked away in a corner at the end of the first stage, near the lift the Guardsmen come up from. I ran across it completely by accident the first time around.Chaza said:
This game is primal joy distilled. I love running around with the Stalker bolter because that, to me, is how a Bolter should be; it makes a sound like Thor jerking off, and the way enemies come apart when it kills them makes me suspect they've been hit by a high speed train rather than a bullet. Plus in Fury mode you get bullet-time when scoped in, which allowed me to score a string of consecutive headshots.
As for the close combat, the only way they could possibly improve that is if you were playing as Kharn the Betrayer himself. I love the fact you get health back by disemboweling people, or embedding axes in their skulls, or curb-stomping their puny, non-Astartes asses.
I pre-ordered this quicker than a Grot heading for cover.
As for the close combat, the only way they could possibly improve that is if you were playing as Kharn the Betrayer himself. I love the fact you get health back by disemboweling people, or embedding axes in their skulls, or curb-stomping their puny, non-Astartes asses.
I pre-ordered this quicker than a Grot heading for cover.
Since it launches on PC as well, local coop only would make no sense inmo. I think local coop should always be available for console players, even on used copies.Sonicron said:
I don´t know who that Emperor bloke is, but if he is responsible for giving me a game where firing a huge gun finally FEELS like firing a huge gun and where I get my health from disembowling my enemies with a weaponized CHAINSAW instead of hiding,LorienvArden said:
fuck yeah, thanks be him.
Now I'm torn, at heart a PC gamer so will always buy in preference over the 360 (cheaper too) yet if this does have local co-op that complicates things..
I may be forced for the first time in many a year to buy a 360 game at full price, which for this game looks totally fucking worth it.
Now they just need to go and remake it so that it's about the Iron Hands/Blood Angels/Dark Angels/Space Wolves/Raven Guard/Any other first founding which doesnt suck as much as the bloody Ultramarines.
I may be forced for the first time in many a year to buy a 360 game at full price, which for this game looks totally fucking worth it.
Now they just need to go and remake it so that it's about the Iron Hands/Blood Angels/Dark Angels/Space Wolves/Raven Guard/Any other first founding which doesnt suck as much as the bloody Ultramarines.