yes but when a game seems(it actually doesn't since theres no use of a wimp-ass cover mechanic) to have taken points form both of them you can get a big befuddled if you refer to them both as GoW and GoW.yuval152 said:
Space Marine "Rips Off" Gears of War
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So many people saying "You Can't take Cover in Space Marine"
Yeah you can, using the oldest cover-system in the books: Run behind a wall while the enemies are shooting at you.
I was disappointed in the game too. The health and shields were taken straight from the first Halo... Too much emphasis on shields, not enough on the player's actual HP. Good luck if you wanted to go crazy with ranged combat... Gun ammo is annoyingly limited, there's no Flamer, nor actual Rocket-Launcher. The Heavy Bolter came too few and far-between, and you couldn't recover health by killing with it.
Melee combat could have been fluid, but there was no way to defend... just take the hits like a ***** and heal up, instead of being able to counter and parry the attacks of the stronger armies. At least it was fluid, loose, and natural except when the finishers got annoyingly repetitive.
Ranged combat could have been much better... but it was identical to Gear's, except with a more primitive cover system. It would have been a lot better if there was a function to laterally sweep the gun as you charged straight into the hordes. As it was, I had to charge in stupid squiggle-patterns, slowing me down and still not giving me the field of fire I wanted.
Yeah you can, using the oldest cover-system in the books: Run behind a wall while the enemies are shooting at you.
I was disappointed in the game too. The health and shields were taken straight from the first Halo... Too much emphasis on shields, not enough on the player's actual HP. Good luck if you wanted to go crazy with ranged combat... Gun ammo is annoyingly limited, there's no Flamer, nor actual Rocket-Launcher. The Heavy Bolter came too few and far-between, and you couldn't recover health by killing with it.
Melee combat could have been fluid, but there was no way to defend... just take the hits like a ***** and heal up, instead of being able to counter and parry the attacks of the stronger armies. At least it was fluid, loose, and natural except when the finishers got annoyingly repetitive.
Ranged combat could have been much better... but it was identical to Gear's, except with a more primitive cover system. It would have been a lot better if there was a function to laterally sweep the gun as you charged straight into the hordes. As it was, I had to charge in stupid squiggle-patterns, slowing me down and still not giving me the field of fire I wanted.
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Also, I havn't had as much fun with a game as I have had with SM in years. Gears is an Xbox exclusive, yes? I've never played it, and never will, because I don't own an xbox. So I don't really care what it may or may not be a clone of.
The arguments here boil down to "omigod its WARHAMMER not acloneofANYTHING" against "omg its totally a gears clone what admit it tard"
It doesn't matter if Warhammer came out first. They're talking about gameplay aspects of the game. And let's be honest, it is a Gears clone.
Saying it felt too much like gears of war is a pretty poor reason to not like it. They cant help the character models or weapons, the game designers are working off the warhammer 40k world. The aesthetics are based on the forge world idea, a massive factory planet.CrashBang said:
The game wouldnt really have worked in any other form either they had to use the third person perspective.
Fair enough if the demo didnt sell the game tho, your choice
Free downloadable content coming out soon and they are bringing out a co-op mode, hopefuly it will be last stand type thing vs waves or orks =DNouw said:
I really hope you aren't talking about the book... From what I remember, the most "armor" they had was jump boots...
Thematically, Space Marine does not take anything from gears, since... well, it came first. In terms of gameplay - there's not that much similarity between the two. Space Marine has no cover system, and although it has chainsaws, they work differently than the lancer in Gears. Aside from the occasional "During-talking-the-characters-will-walk-slow" moments, I can't really think of anything that similar between the two. They play very differently - go play Gears of War 2, then play Space Marine. You'll notice the difference straight away. One involves taking sitting behind a wall a lot, and leap/rolling around the battlefield away from enemies (unless you want to chainsaw them), and the other is just shoot-shoot-stab-shoot-shoot-stab. Both are fun, but they are not the same. If you tried to play gears like space marine, you'd die even on the easiest setting. If you tried to play space marine like gears, you wouldn't get very far because you HAVE to melee kill in order to get your health back (you can use you fury thingamajig as well, but most of them you'll have to stun and kill a dude to get the health back). The universe of Warhammer 40000 and Gears are also very different - both are military themed, but one is about a bunch of genetically modified freaks running around whilst being fascist jerks to everyone and everything (the Imperium of Man are NOT the good guys, something I feel Space Marine did not do enough to get across - the Space Marines aren't actually heroes, as they are portrayed in the game, but are in fact jack-booted super soldiers who run around doing whatever they're told by their masters), and the other is about action heroes fighting for survival against seemingly impossible odds.
There's really NOT that much in common between the two aside from burly dudes and chainsaws.
There's really NOT that much in common between the two aside from burly dudes and chainsaws.
Everyone knew this would happen. I recieved a short, seperate supplement with my last copy of PC Gamer. In the interviews with the designers, GoW was mentioned a lot and I think the phrase "like GoW but..." appeared once or twice.
I guess it will be better recieved on the PC, since Gears never really took off there (the first game was released for GFWL if i recall correctly and then no more after that).
As a relic fanboy, it makes me uncomfortable to see it get less than 8 from the 360 mag.
Edit: if it makes you guys feel better, http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/06/space-marine-review/
I don't think gears of war is mentioned once in the whole article
I guess it will be better recieved on the PC, since Gears never really took off there (the first game was released for GFWL if i recall correctly and then no more after that).
As a relic fanboy, it makes me uncomfortable to see it get less than 8 from the 360 mag.
Edit: if it makes you guys feel better, http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/06/space-marine-review/
I don't think gears of war is mentioned once in the whole article
And I am in no position to disagree. I actually think that Space Marines aren't very similar to Starship Troopers because of the points I stated. I tried to read Dune but I was far too bored so I'm guessing they're similar in the sense that both are highly trained elite, zealous soldiers? Imperial Guardsmen and Starship Troopers, the only connection I would see is if it was comparing film to the Imps. Not book to Imps. In the film, they're pretty much Imps without tanks.Draech said:
Lack of an annoying cover system, a dull story, character archetypes, or two pointless sequels makes Space marine different enough from Gears for it not to be a clone. The mere fact that it's an over-the-shoulder 3rd person shooter does not mean it is a direct copy of every other over-the-shoulder 3rd person shooter.
Gears of war was not the first game ever to involve super-tough, hardcore, power-armoured soldiers, or stupid, violence-obsessed aliens, or weaponised chainsaws, or a Gothic future-world, or a cover system. None of the things which characterise the gears of War games were new or interesting in any way. In fact, you could say that neither Gears nor Space Marine did anything remotely original, thus nullifying any comments about one being a rip-off of the other, and making everyone who makes those sorts of comments sound a little bit silly.
You could say that, but why would you? HURR DURR, SPESS MERHINE IS GAERS OF WOR RIP OFF! CLIFFY B IS GOD and I will gladly waste time and energy by giving him yet more of my ill-deserved money. HERP-A-DERPY DERP DERP.
Gears of war was not the first game ever to involve super-tough, hardcore, power-armoured soldiers, or stupid, violence-obsessed aliens, or weaponised chainsaws, or a Gothic future-world, or a cover system. None of the things which characterise the gears of War games were new or interesting in any way. In fact, you could say that neither Gears nor Space Marine did anything remotely original, thus nullifying any comments about one being a rip-off of the other, and making everyone who makes those sorts of comments sound a little bit silly.
You could say that, but why would you? HURR DURR, SPESS MERHINE IS GAERS OF WOR RIP OFF! CLIFFY B IS GOD and I will gladly waste time and energy by giving him yet more of my ill-deserved money. HERP-A-DERPY DERP DERP.
Why are people getting so upset about this review, I don't think anyone compares this game to gears, and this reviewer made such a comment in passing. If you look down to how he scores the game you will notice that the argument 'It is like gears' does not factor into how he rates the game. He rates it down for legitimate reasons such as the lack of a 'wow' factor, charmless guns and he even complains more about the crappy multilayer than 'how it is like gears'.
I came into this thread expecting some dude spouting crap about how this game apes gears at ever turn and all I see is a bunch of Warhammer fanboys getting flustered over some random xbox reviewers comment that 'It uses the D-Pad for weapon change like gears'.
Don't get me wrong I hate the gears series with a passion, boring gameplay, crappy story, forgetable characters and for that reason I'm not even going to try my luck with space marine. But this thread is a joke.
I came into this thread expecting some dude spouting crap about how this game apes gears at ever turn and all I see is a bunch of Warhammer fanboys getting flustered over some random xbox reviewers comment that 'It uses the D-Pad for weapon change like gears'.
Don't get me wrong I hate the gears series with a passion, boring gameplay, crappy story, forgetable characters and for that reason I'm not even going to try my luck with space marine. But this thread is a joke.
You got me there... Its been a few years since I read it.Nouw said:
Of course, now that you see the game in action, it bears no resemblance to GoW...
If it's supposed
If it's supposed to be the anti-Gears of War, why does it ape so much of the gameplay style? It seems odd to me to take a wargame like Warhammer 40K and center it around a particular squad. But I'm not really that into WH40K OR GoW, so eh.Soviet Heavy said:
I have to say. I love Gears and have played the whole Series thus far (number 3 in 5days...) I also play tabletop Warhammer 40,000 (the Scifi version. Just like to point that out) and love my Space Marines. However I was dismayed to play Space Marine and find it so close to Gears of War, right down to the reload sounds. It was uncanny.
However as I played in through the Game (even a Gears of War rip off can still be vicerally fun) I found it extremly different in interesting ways.
1. No obvious cover system. In one day Im already up to the fight against the WarBoss and I still haven't discovered a working cover system other than stand behind something big enough to hide the Marine
2. Emphasis on Melee Combat. to Be completely honest, its more or less absent in Gears of War. Melee is only there if things go terribly wrong or you decide to just have some fun and charge. In Space Marine Melee is neccesary to survive the fights as you ONLY gain health with executions.Its even weighted that combat is really the final solution. Shooting units like the FlashGitz takes a lot of Ammo, but they are great to single out and Execute for some health.
3. Hordes of Enemies. Literally hordes of orks and bloodthirsters swarming you and the only real solution is to start swinging you axe,hammer, or chainsword and crushing as many as you can as quickly as you can.
4. It has a freaking jump pack! There is no equivelant in Gears of War.
To emphasise something said by the jimquisition, the rather blatant copy of elements from gears of war, including the weapon exchange system on the D-pad and weapon mounts able to be removed and used as a normal weapon is not "rippping of Gears of War" it is taking systems of the game that worked and worked well and adding it into your own game. There is only an finite number of buttons on a controller and there for a finite combination that can be used for something like the reload system, so it makes sense to reuse systems from other Games
However as I played in through the Game (even a Gears of War rip off can still be vicerally fun) I found it extremly different in interesting ways.
1. No obvious cover system. In one day Im already up to the fight against the WarBoss and I still haven't discovered a working cover system other than stand behind something big enough to hide the Marine
2. Emphasis on Melee Combat. to Be completely honest, its more or less absent in Gears of War. Melee is only there if things go terribly wrong or you decide to just have some fun and charge. In Space Marine Melee is neccesary to survive the fights as you ONLY gain health with executions.Its even weighted that combat is really the final solution. Shooting units like the FlashGitz takes a lot of Ammo, but they are great to single out and Execute for some health.
3. Hordes of Enemies. Literally hordes of orks and bloodthirsters swarming you and the only real solution is to start swinging you axe,hammer, or chainsword and crushing as many as you can as quickly as you can.
4. It has a freaking jump pack! There is no equivelant in Gears of War.
To emphasise something said by the jimquisition, the rather blatant copy of elements from gears of war, including the weapon exchange system on the D-pad and weapon mounts able to be removed and used as a normal weapon is not "rippping of Gears of War" it is taking systems of the game that worked and worked well and adding it into your own game. There is only an finite number of buttons on a controller and there for a finite combination that can be used for something like the reload system, so it makes sense to reuse systems from other Games
I don't. His job is to review the game in its entirety. This includes the controls. If they don't feel right to him, he has every right to include this in his review.Soviet Heavy said:
