Space Marines: They're becoming wimpier with each generation (Now with added ORK!)

[Specter_]

Gads, I see this thread has degenerated into a lot of Smurf players going "OMG, I am no longer the most beardy and unbalanced army in the game, this is so unfair!"

I'm sorry, but you're just superhuman. 8 feet and enhanced musculatre is not going to make you capable of wrestling a carnifex to the ground, no matter how much you want it. The main reason the Marines are so scary is because they are fast, mobile and utterly fearless. A prepared Guard regiment with supporting troops is considerably more powerful both in fluff terms and game terms than a Space marine Chapter (discounting battleships), given that the smallest Guard regiments have around 3-4 thousand (elite) men, and the largest top 20 to 30 thousand (Death Korps, Valhallans etc).

We are the more powerful war machine. You are simply there to fight the battles that can be deceided quickly, or to support us like you did on Armageddon or Cadia (many thanks for that).

All I have to add is "Behemoth"...

 

[Alex_P]

Awesome!!! I can fire a rifle, Alex, does that make me a member of SF?

You know what a trope is, right? "Space marine" is a trope. What you label the gun-toting power-armored sci-fi military man isn't as important as what attributes he has.

If I write a story about a regular soldier who gets isolated from his unit and has to make his way behind enemy lines and then figures that his only option is to start sneaking around, scouting stuff, and using his rifle to stealthily harass and weaken the enemy, then I've just written a piece of "sniper" fiction even though the character is not an official military sniper, doesn't have a full-on sniper weapon, and is never referred to as a sniper within the fiction itself.

-- Alex

 

[Alex_P]

other than that, I aggree, the Lore's getting worse, and on the table, there was a time when my 28 Wolf Guard Terminators with master crafted lightning claws or thunder hammers could wipe out entire IG, Eldar, hell even other Marine armies with considerable ease... now... well, i stopped playing.

Did your army just consist of 28 Wolf Guard Terminators?

-- Alex

 

[Kevvers]

The 40K Space Marine game is shaping up to suck, continuity-wise.
The gun doesn't shoot full-blown rockets, it shoots bullets, and it's supposed to focus on close combat, which space marines simply aren't built for.
But yes, 40K Space marines can be considered the epitome of manliness.(Assuming 'epitome' means what I think it does.)

point of interest, Bolt Weapons, in the W40k universe at least, fire self propelled ammunition, which is more akin to a rocket, than a bullet which is propelled by explosives in the cartridge that is expelled,

other than that, I aggree, the Lore's getting worse, and on the table, there was a time when my 28 Wolf Guard Terminators with master crafted lightning claws or thunder hammers could wipe out entire IG, Eldar, hell even other Marine armies with considerable ease... now... well, i stopped playing.

All I can say is GOOD. Unless those 28 models were all exquisitely painted that is just cheap. Put it down to the dilution of the gene-seed or whatevs.

 

[Mister Ash]

other than that, I aggree, the Lore's getting worse, and on the table, there was a time when my 28 Wolf Guard Terminators with master crafted lightning claws or thunder hammers could wipe out entire IG, Eldar, hell even other Marine armies with considerable ease... now... well, i stopped playing.

Did your army just consist of 28 Wolf Guard Terminators?

-- Alex

of course not, but they spent far too long getting into assault range, there was nothing left by the time they arrived..

The 40K Space Marine game is shaping up to suck, continuity-wise.
The gun doesn't shoot full-blown rockets, it shoots bullets, and it's supposed to focus on close combat, which space marines simply aren't built for.
But yes, 40K Space marines can be considered the epitome of manliness.(Assuming 'epitome' means what I think it does.)

point of interest, Bolt Weapons, in the W40k universe at least, fire self propelled ammunition, which is more akin to a rocket, than a bullet which is propelled by explosives in the cartridge that is expelled,

other than that, I aggree, the Lore's getting worse, and on the table, there was a time when my 28 Wolf Guard Terminators with master crafted lightning claws or thunder hammers could wipe out entire IG, Eldar, hell even other Marine armies with considerable ease... now... well, i stopped playing.

All I can say is GOOD. Unless those 28 models were all exquisitely painted that is just cheap. Put it down to the dilution of the gene-seed or whatevs.

No, it's using the best of my armies abilities to win battles. if you've got a Warhound Titan, you don't send a Squat heavy weapons team to do it's job. My terminators did what I paid for them to do, rip things apart.

I should also state, after re-reading my badly worded post, it seems like I stopped playing because I started loosing, but that isn't what I intended, I stopped playing because prices were getting higher, Rules seemed to be changing faster than Horus' underpants, and I no longer had the time to commit.

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Space marines = gundam..... *whimpers* NOOOOOOO NOT THE FACE AHH

No... just... NO!

The closest thing we have to ANY Mecha character matching a space marine is Ryoma Nagare, because he can beat demons to death with his bare hands with no physical enhancements.

Ryoma is so bat shit insane if he were to ever MEET the 40 K space marines he would scream "My brothers" and run towards them, he's so hot blooded he actually WENT to Valhalla.

This was after he beat up 4 Ancient Primeval GODS

Pfft.

Duo Maxwell.

That is all.

Oh wait you mean the pilot or the Gundam/pilot? Oh well, Duo Maxwell either way.

The guy took out a military base without his Gundam, I mean come now...

 

[Cowabungaa]

So many people saying that the space-marines from the Starship Troopers book (not the movie) are more badass then W40K space-marines. Well, can anyone describe ST space marines then? Because hell, it's réally hard to top W40K marines if you ask me I mean, damn, the size of them! 4 Lungs, 2 hearts, can just walk through houses if they need to (with that armor of them), wonder what ST troopers can do to top that in awesomeness
PS: No, not counting the effectiveness of the army of a whole, we're purely talking about awesomeness here.

 

[Hallow'sEve]

Because it doesn't fit the "realism" requirement for today's games.

 

[Kadamon]

Space marines existed before Warhammer you know.... They came up with all this stuff about insanely awesome space marines, the originals from Starship troopers were pretty bad ass though. Warhammer wasn't the original so don't compare shit to it.

Actually, WH40k has been out since 1983, Starship Troopers came out in 1997... *ahem*

 

[Kadamon]

The 40K Space Marine game is shaping up to suck, continuity-wise.
The gun doesn't shoot full-blown rockets, it shoots bullets, and it's supposed to focus on close combat, which space marines simply aren't built for.
But yes, 40K Space marines can be considered the epitome of manliness.(Assuming 'epitome' means what I think it does.)

They have rocket launchers, the bolter rounds are like TANK rounds (they can blow up a man), but still thank you for the last comment.

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

Space marines existed before Warhammer you know.... They came up with all this stuff about insanely awesome space marines, the originals from Starship troopers were pretty bad ass though. Warhammer wasn't the original so don't compare shit to it.

Actually, WH40k has been out since 1983, Starship Troopers came out in 1997... *ahem*

Guess again jackass, the book, which contains the original space marines which are far superior to those in the film, came out in 1967 I believe.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Space marines existed before Warhammer you know.... They came up with all this stuff about insanely awesome space marines, the originals from Starship troopers were pretty bad ass though. Warhammer wasn't the original so don't compare shit to it.

Actually, WH40k has been out since 1983, Starship Troopers came out in 1997... *ahem*

Guess again jackass, the book, which contains the original space marines which are far superior to those in the film, came out in 1967 I believe.

Please, describe the original 1967 Starship Troopers Space Marines then.

 

[Kadamon]

Space marines existed before Warhammer you know.... They came up with all this stuff about insanely awesome space marines, the originals from Starship troopers were pretty bad ass though. Warhammer wasn't the original so don't compare shit to it.

Actually, WH40k has been out since 1983, Starship Troopers came out in 1997... *ahem*

Guess again jackass, the book, which contains the original space marines which are far superior to those in the film, came out in 1967 I believe.

Actually, you were the one that started hostility. Read the edit, I said WH40k Space Marines were the peak, and Starship Troopers are cool, I'm just saying we've let the definition slide away from us.

 

[I Stomp on Kittens]

I thought space marines ment marines in space not mutated monsters

 

[Kadamon]

Do you remember the day that Space Marines were 12 feet tall, could spit acid, had 4 lungs, at least 2 hearts, carried guns that required complete teams of mere mortals to operate (that were easily held by Space Marines), could kill anything, and occasionally died (in very very short occurrences.

No?

Exactly.

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/post-90027-1205171981.jpg
http://www.fortunecity.com/underworld/myst/171/chaosspacemarinered.jpg
http://www.downloadmunkey.net/images/kingmong-02.jpg

A true Space Marine, a monolith of extreme powers, have become swamped with... wimpy Space Marines.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/halo/images/1/18/WasohaCloseupV.jpg

Space Marines of Warhammer 40k are the real definition of Space Marine, to the point of which they are barely even identified as human.

What happened to us? Why have we let scrawnier Space Marines thrived?

Credit to the sites for the pictures, praise the Emperor.

Eventually, Space Marine will be an insult used towards girly and/or flamboyant men. THIS MUST BE STOPPED.

FIGHT WITH ME BROTHER!
FOR THE SWORN! *pulls out chainsword*

 

[Ago Iterum]

It fills in more of an 'every man' archtype?

Everyman you say?! I'm one of them! I can totally relate and wish to purchase this product.

 

[Kadamon]

Space Marines of Warhammer 40k are the real definition of Space Marine, to the point of which they are barely even identified as human.

Only to a certain subset of gamers.

The space marine genre is defined by Starship Troopers.

The video-game space marine was originally defined by Doom.

-- Alex

Again, I say I have made an edit, somehow I forgot about Starship Troopers. And Doom. And all that jazz, but really, I just think that the Space Marines of WH40k were the peak, and the strongest of their kind (they spit acid dude! It was a little known fact)

 

[pantsoffdanceoff]

Really? There's a pretty obvious one-up to your average space marine for just the badassliness factor. Chaos Space Marine.

Although if I was to choose one armor-toting man to rule them all, Gordon Freeman. But he doesn't really count does he?

 

[Hunde Des Krieg]

Space marines existed before Warhammer you know.... They came up with all this stuff about insanely awesome space marines, the originals from Starship troopers were pretty bad ass though. Warhammer wasn't the original so don't compare shit to it.

Actually, WH40k has been out since 1983, Starship Troopers came out in 1997... *ahem*

Guess again jackass, the book, which contains the original space marines which are far superior to those in the film, came out in 1967 I believe.

Actually, you were the one that started hostility. Read the edit, I said WH40k Space Marines were the peak, and Starship Troopers are cool, I'm just saying we've let the definition slide away from us.

1959 sorry.

Space marines existed before Warhammer you know.... They came up with all this stuff about insanely awesome space marines, the originals from Starship troopers were pretty bad ass though. Warhammer wasn't the original so don't compare shit to it.

Actually, WH40k has been out since 1983, Starship Troopers came out in 1997... *ahem*

Guess again jackass, the book, which contains the original space marines which are far superior to those in the film, came out in 1967 I believe.

Please, describe the original 1967 Starship Troopers Space Marines then.

They wear large exoskeletal battlesuits enhancing strength and speed, with various advanced sensors, flamethrowers, homing rockets as the standard munition, mortors, and tactical nukes, all with jumpjets for even more mobility, and they are dropped to the planet's surface in individual pods.

 

[new_age_reject]

What about the race of supersayins?
They were pretty badass, with the whole monkey thing and the more hair = more man points ethic.