Space Marines: They're becoming wimpier with each generation (Now with added ORK!)
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The issue isn't with the Space Marines getting wimpier, it's all balance.
It wouldn't be much fun if 100-odd marines, a handful of tanks and a couple dreadnoughts could beat the snot out of 20000+ points of another army, would it?
If you want powerful marines, read the fluff. Still some powerful soldiers there.
It wouldn't be much fun if 100-odd marines, a handful of tanks and a couple dreadnoughts could beat the snot out of 20000+ points of another army, would it?
If you want powerful marines, read the fluff. Still some powerful soldiers there.
Well played. And you can't.GenHellspawn said:ToonLink said:
I'll bet you can't say that to Marneus Calgar's face.
Also, to the people saying the WH40k Space Marines are stupid... you've never read any of the books.
Also, I believe I am too involved in my OWN thread...
That is all
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In fact I think he does it twicerossatdi said:
Edit: Nvm, the second time he does it with a power sword
I think you'll find the original "Space Marines" were a trio of Victorian gun-club members who decided to launch themselves into space by means of a canon, and did so successfully as according to the infallible historian Jules Vernes.
Now I have yet to study his texts on the subject but I believe them to be the original Space Marines (them not being Marines as such is of little consequence) and such was their awesomeness epitomizing the peak of the genre that everything since then is downhill.
Now I have yet to study his texts on the subject but I believe them to be the original Space Marines (them not being Marines as such is of little consequence) and such was their awesomeness epitomizing the peak of the genre that everything since then is downhill.
I guess after a while gamers started to crave plausibility.
I mean c'mon, a giant, 10-ft-tall, hulking behemoth clunking around in armor he's practically buried in may be badass, but one would imagine it'd get pretty tedious after a while...at least the SC marines have the servos and mechanisms showing to support their suits...40k marines honestly seem to fill them in...in which case there's something seriously fucked up with their head:body size ratio (though it may explain their dipshit, gung-ho behavior).
The "new" space marines (i.e., Spartans and the KZ2 lot) may not be walking tanks in their own regard, but they are something that is far more important to be shown on fictional battlefields: mortal.
Their "wimpiness" shows that there are ever-present risks in war that you might do well to pay attention to or face an almost certain end as a bloody, scorched, bullet-ridden pulp.
I mean c'mon, a giant, 10-ft-tall, hulking behemoth clunking around in armor he's practically buried in may be badass, but one would imagine it'd get pretty tedious after a while...at least the SC marines have the servos and mechanisms showing to support their suits...40k marines honestly seem to fill them in...in which case there's something seriously fucked up with their head:body size ratio (though it may explain their dipshit, gung-ho behavior).
The "new" space marines (i.e., Spartans and the KZ2 lot) may not be walking tanks in their own regard, but they are something that is far more important to be shown on fictional battlefields: mortal.
Their "wimpiness" shows that there are ever-present risks in war that you might do well to pay attention to or face an almost certain end as a bloody, scorched, bullet-ridden pulp.
What do you mean space marines aren't equipped for close quarters!? They are space marines! They have frickin priests with CHAINSAWS!Crazzee said:
As I suspected, you're talking about the movie, which came quite a while after the book (which has little to do with shooting bugs en masse), and long after warhammer 40k. As for the colonial marines, they're imperial guard equivalent at best, conscripted infantry at worst. Given a gun, a piece of armour that won't do much and thrown into a firefight. Absolutely nothing like the 8' tall genetically modified brainwashed fanatical killing machines in power armour that 40k brought us.Alex_P said:
As I suspected, you're talking about the movie, which came quite a while after the book (which has little to do with shooting bugs en masse), and long after warhammer 40k. As for the colonial marines, they're imperial guard equivalent at best, conscripted infantry at worst. Given a gun, a piece of armour that won't do much and thrown into a firefight. Absolutely nothing like the 8' tall genetically modified brainwashed fanatical killing machines in power armour that 40k brought us.[/quote]Alex_P said:
I would have to say the dudes with the rifle shaped flashlight, flak armor, and the faith in the God-Emperor to fight the enemies of man are quite a bit more awesome.