Spanking your kids and parenting

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Evilbunny

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
You know what's an even more interesting notion? The idea that an entire country has been following my ideas and hasn't exactly descended into brat-anarchy.
Like I said before, most children (at least from the pool I have to draw upon) do not require this sort of punishment, so the lack of corporal punishment would obviously not cause anarchy. But, I think it would be small minded of anyone to say that there are definitely no problem children in that country. Perhaps you disagree, but I believe there are children in this world that would benefit from such punishment.


But sadly I don't agree with them, much like I don't agree with saudi arabia stoning adulterous women to death either.
I can see you don't even grasp the difference between deterrence and retribution.
Oh no, you misunderstood. I was simply trying to point out that just because a country makes a law it doesn't make it right. Both Saudi Arabia's law that allows adulterous women to be stoned to death and this law you speak of (by the way, can you please cite your source? It's not that I don't believe you it's that I'd like to have the same thing you're looking at in front of me so we are on the same page) I disagree with. I didn't mean to draw any more comparisons than that. I'm sorry if I did not make that clear.

Bringing to light the fact that you think you know more about parenting than a parent based on the fact that you're a camp councilor--dealing with the children that have already been screwed up by the bad parenting of others,--is not trolling.

It's making explicit the immaturity of your viewpoints.
Your unnecessarily hostile tone and overtly sarcastic use of quotation marks is trolling. You're not making intelligent points anymore, you're just trying to insult me. And once again, I am not trying to, nor have I ever tried to make the point that I know more about parenting than your parents. I am saying I know more about parenting than YOU. If you want to bring your parents on here for them to argue their point of view i will gladly listen. Perhaps I could bring my parents on here too, for they raised seven children to adulthood who ranged from my little sister whom they rarely even had to raise their voice to, to my brother who used to steal money from his friends' houses and they had to beat senseless to get him to straighten up. I am sure they would have interesting things to add.

You know, I can't really believe you're actually trying to argue this. The idea that somebody knows how to raise children just because they were one at some point is just ridiculous. I mean, if a fourteen year old girl got pregnant do you think she would make a good mother? I mean, she was a child at one point, recently in fact. So she should understand children perfectly and know how to raise one better than some adults by your logic since adults forget how irrational children are right? No, of course not, that's ridiculous. A girl that age would make an awful mother. She's immature and knows nothing about being a parent.

Finally, I noticed your posts seem to be getting angrier and while I rather like this debate we're having since I find your views interesting, I would not like to cause any negative feelings on this forum. So, if you are unable to have a calm, rational argument with me then please just tell me and I will stop posting on this thread. This discussion is not worth making enemies on this board.
 

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I think that anyone who lays a finger on his/hers children deserve to die a really slow and horrible death.
That's my opinion.
I also think that anyone who thinks differently is a complete asshole and should be whipped themselves.
But this is just my opinion...
 

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How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
 

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axia777 said:
How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
Does it matter if you have children??
Some of at this website actually were children once and I sure as hell know that I wouldn't have liked being hit.
Actually I'm still technically a child...
 

Lukeje

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axia777 said:
How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
By asking that question you show that you haven't actually payed any attention to what any of us have been saying.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
Xvito said:
axia777 said:
How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
Does it matter if you have children??
Some of at this website actually were children once and I sure as hell know that I wouldn't have liked being hit.
Actually I'm still technically a child...
Of course it does.
Dare I ask why?
 

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Richard Groovy Pants said:
Xvito said:
axia777 said:
How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
Does it matter if you have children??
Some of at this website actually were children once and I sure as hell know that I wouldn't have liked being hit.
Actually I'm still technically a child...
Of course it does.
I have to point out that the main arguments started when someone said 'I plan to have kids someday, and I will beat the crap out of them' (may be paraphrased).
Edit: messed up the quotes...
 

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Xvito said:
Richard Groovy Pants said:
Xvito said:
axia777 said:
How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
Does it matter if you have children??
Some of at this website actually were children once and I sure as hell know that I wouldn't have liked being hit.
Actually I'm still technically a child...
Of course it does.
Dare I ask why?
Because in reality people who do not have kids know nothing about parenting. It is a real time leaning experience that is different with every child in the world. I thought I knew about parenting and then reality kicked me in the proverbial nuts.

Can you deal with projectile pooping? Vomit in you mouth at 3 am in the morning? Screaming every night for weeks on end? No sleep for weeks on end? The list goes on and on. And every day children add to that list with glee. So arguing about parenting when you are not a parent yet is pointless at best. You will learn what you will REALLY do when you get to be a parent.

Lukeje said:
By asking that question you show that you haven't actually payed any attention to what any of us have been saying.
I have read a large amount of the posts. They are interesting. But I have not yet caught anyone say "I am a parent...". Maybe I missed that. Sorry if I did.
 

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axia777 said:
Lukeje said:
By asking that question you show that you haven't actually payed any attention to what any of us have been saying.
I have read a large amout of the posts. They are interesting. But I have not yet caught anyone say "I am a parent...". Maybe I missed that. Sorry if I did.
See my above post (I never said that I was a parent).

Ahh, found the quote I was referring to above:
Evilbunny said:
My parents used to beat the crap out of me when I fucked up, and I turned out fine. I intend to do the same to my son.
 

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I got the brains knocked out of me regularly as a child, because I did stupid things, didn't listen, and it may be wrong but hell it straightened me right out. Spanking, or even a good slap upside the head is a more personal experience and maybe even more lesson-teaching than taking away your kids Nintendo. So I would have to say not for every kid, but damn some brats just need that to jar them into a state of mind where they're more responsive to the edicts their parents lay down.
I was raised similarly, I think if a kid fucks up, a good swat to the head'll put 'em straight. My parent was rather heavy handed but I turned out damn fine if I do say so myself.
 

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axia777 said:
Xvito said:
Richard Groovy Pants said:
Xvito said:
axia777 said:
How many of the people discussing this subject in this thread actually HAVE one of more kids? Mmmmm, how many? I would really like to know. Don't lie either, that would defeat the purpose of my asking.
Does it matter if you have children??
Some of at this website actually were children once and I sure as hell know that I wouldn't have liked being hit.
Actually I'm still technically a child...
Of course it does.
Dare I ask why?
Because in reality people who do not have kids know nothing about parenting. It is a real time leaning experience that is different with every child in the world. I thought I knew about parenting and then reality kicked me in the proverbial nuts.

Can you deal with projectile pooping? Vomit in you mouth at 3 am in the morning? Screaming every night for weeks on end? No sleep for weeks on end? The list goes on and on. And every day children add to that list with glee. So arguing about parenting when you are not a parent yet is pointless at best. You will learn what you will REALLY do when you get to be a parent.

Lukeje said:
By asking that question you show that you haven't actually payed any attention to what any of us have been saying.
I have read a large amount of the posts. They are interesting. But I have not yet caught anyone say "I am a parent...". Maybe I missed that. Sorry if I did.
I think you're wrong there.
Maybe you know what it's like to be a parent, but I know what it's like to be child (you should to).
I if my parents would have hit me when I was a kid, I would have killed when I grew up and that's a pretty good reason not to hurt your children (unless you're a masochist), it doesn't just effect them.
 

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Xvito said:
I if my parents would have hit me when I was a kid, I would have killed when I grew up and that's a pretty good reason not to hurt your children (unless you're a masochist), it doesn't just effect them.
Affect. (Sorry, I can't help it!).
 

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Cheeze_Pavilion said:
Evilbunny said:
Finally, I noticed your posts seem to be getting angrier and while I rather like this debate we're having since I find your views interesting, I would not like to cause any negative feelings on this forum. So, if you are unable to have a calm, rational argument with me then please just tell me and I will stop posting on this thread. This discussion is not worth making enemies on this board.
It's difficult to not be dismissive of someone who continues to make arguments as silly as:

And once again, I am not trying to, nor have I ever tried to make the point that I know more about parenting than your parents. I am saying I know more about parenting than YOU. If you want to bring your parents on here for them to argue their point of view i will gladly listen.
When I'm arguing my parent's point of view.

I can't think of a more blatant ad hominem fallacy than thinking that an identical viewpoint becomes more credible or valid if argued by one person than when argued by another person.
Throughout this thread I have managed to remain civil despite the fact that I find your views to be close-minded and rather naive. You however, believed it was appropriate to take that tone. Frankly it reflects poorly upon you and makes the rest of the forum look bad if its members can't have an intelligent discussion without resorting to such things. I rather hope from now on you will change the tone of your posts if we ever intend to reach some sort of conclusion from this rather than letting it deteriorate into a shouting match.

Now, in regards to your assertion that you are indeed arguing your parents point of view, the reason I have trouble taking you seriously when you say that is I don't believe your parents are so closed- minded that they believe their way of raising a child is the only way and that different children don't call for different methods. I like to believe that people of that age are simply more mature than that. Maybe if they could tell me about their experience with particularly troublesome children and the methods they employed I would be more convinced. But like I said, I am only talking to you, and the only experience you have with children is what you saw in your own family which according to you was pretty well behaved. I had parents too, you know, and they employed different methods with all of us kids and we all turned out pretty well. This was the point I was trying to make since the beginning. I have seen children whose parents didn't take the necessary steps in disciplining their child and they turned out to be self-entitled little brats. I can't see why you are trying to force the idea that your method of parenting is the only way. I'm not trying to make the point that you HAVE to hit your kids if they make the slightest mistake, simply that there are some children don't get it after nonviolent forms of punishment are employed that require such punishment.
 

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My mom never laid a hand on me, yet she still managed to intimidate me. I think it's because she was normally so saintly that when you did something wrong, you really, really worried because she would explode into righeous anger, and it was always legitimately your fault, and you had it coming. For some reason it worked really well.
 

Evilbunny

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axia777 said:
Because in reality people who do not have kids know nothing about parenting. It is a real time leaning experience that is different with every child in the world. I thought I knew about parenting and then reality kicked me in the proverbial nuts.

Can you deal with projectile pooping? Vomit in you mouth at 3 am in the morning? Screaming every night for weeks on end? No sleep for weeks on end? The list goes on and on. And every day children add to that list with glee. So arguing about parenting when you are not a parent yet is pointless at best. You will learn what you will REALLY do when you get to be a parent.
You know what? You're absolutely right. I don't think any of us truly know how to be a parent unless we are one, and even then we'll only know how to be a parent to our own child.