Spiderman 3: Why did it fail?

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Godavari

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I can barely recall the plot of Spiderman 3 (I think the memories are repressed) but I do know one thing: There were too many villains.

Think about it. First movie? Green Goblin. Second movie? Doc Ock. Third movie? Reboot of the first villain, plus Sandman, plus Venom. It's insane, it's over-complicated, and it's too much to deal with all at once. I would have appreciated a Venom exclusive. Hell, I might even have enjoyed any exclusive, or any combination of two - they're all emotionally charged characters that are interesting to watch. But three is just a sensory overload.
 

Snotnarok

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I thought it was obvious, the terrible dance scene, venom was the worst casted character ever, the emo Parker, what's to miss?
 

Charli

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There was alot wrong with it... Too much going on tacked around Mary Jane's obsessive need to be the center focus of the movie, bloody Kurstin Dunst...I really dislike that woman. The Emo scene was pure cringe and totally unecssisary, could have used some heavy brooding shots instead of that fest of fail.

And I agree Venom should have been a Movie all on his own. You might have just been able to combine Sandman and Osbourne jr. If it had blended nicely into a struggle of reluctant alliance vs Chaos. But throwing on Venom there on top of things was just overkill.

But there was WAY too much Dunst in the movie for me to give two shits either way by then. Say what you want hormone driven geekwads, she's an attention seeking little leech. I hope if theres a 4th movie they recast her, since she was allegedly making radical demands during the 3rd movie shooting anyway.
 

McHanhan

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The emo dance and make up routine in the middle. What possible use did that serve?.
 

RRilef

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I can not recall the dance scene in the middle of the movie. I remember the emo, but I thought you were joking when you said dance scene. I feel like I have to watch it again, but remembering what I left that movie feeling I know I shouldn't.
 

ShadowsofHope

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They casted Tobey McGuire and Kirs- Damn, its already been said! That is all.

Whoever thought those two could act was high on crack and hanging upside down from their toenails over a shark-pit filled with penguins. (FAIL)
 

WolfThomas

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3 was definitely the worst, but I wasn't a fan of any of them. Why? Because Spiderman is meant to be a wisecracking smartass when in costume, sure his life is never easy and he has got the responsibility thing, but he's a funny and enjoyable character.

The films were more Peter Parker than Spiderman, he ended up losing his mask in nearly all three near the end.
 

SamElliot'sMustache

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I actually liked most of Spider-Man 3, but I agree that they packed way, way, way too much in (there was a plan to make 3 and 4 back-to-back, though that usually happens with mixed results in these sorts of things...). And a lot of things ended up bugging me about it:

-The music: Christopher Young was a poor choice for composing the score, especially when he's following up Danny Elfman! His music choices were, if not bland, then outright absurdly over-the-top, like Harry's death scene. If they didn't do the whole "build to a sentimental crescendo" with the sun rising in the background, that scene would have been a lot better.

-Which brings me to the dialogue: while not as bad as the first movie, the dialogue was still very bad. The entire plot of the movie hits all the right beats, but it's undercut by how sappy it gets (the butler telling Harry the truth about Norman, and about how his friends love him, and la de da de da). Like with the sentimental music, this just makes what should have been great scenes seem like a Hallmark TV movie.

-And speaking of the wrong tone: I actually wouldn't have minded the dorky-evil Peter Parker, or his dancing, IF it didn't come after his attempted murder of Sandman, and his vicious battle with Harry. It seemed like that scene, though in a milder form, should have been earlier in the movie. The idea Sam Raimi had of showing that going "dark" or "bad" isn't cool wasn't a bad idea, but they needed to start out with Peter just being more cocky, though being completely foolish as a result, and building to "Holy shit, he's trying to kill people! He's gone nuts!" Once they established that he had gone to viciousness, not only did they take a step back, it also eliminated any drama they were naturally building towards by doing the dancing segments, so it was unnecessary, sort of like...

-The crowd in the climactic fight scene. Ugh. Turning a gut-wrenching blood feud into a spectator sport for New Yorkers to gawk at slack-jawed? Once again, they eliminated the impact by cutting to unneeded newscasters and children going "Wicked cool!" to sell the scene rather than the images selling the scene. That fight only got good when it went away from the "ooh-ahing" crowd, and then it was only for a few minutes.

-Oh, and Mary-Jane being in danger, yet again. Granted, it probably wouldn't have made sense to have someone else in danger if the goal was to get Harry to become a good guy, but in that case, why even have the damsel-in-distress plotline? By that point, I was hoping they were past going to the tired plot devices like that (since they clearly were going for something different), but then Venom nabs her and it's "Here we go again."

The ultimate feeling I get from the movie is not that it's bad, just that it was sloppy in that trying-too-hard-to-do-everything way that's just really irksome. There was nothing wrong in the script that a little judicious editing couldn't handle. Add in a different composer (Clint Mansell, maybe? Howard Shore? Marco Belltrami? Reconcile with Danny Elfman?), and the result would have been, if not the best of the three films, then certainly a contender.
 

Romblen

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Too many villains, too many conflicts, and the main character being an emo for the majority of the film. The action scenes were cool, but everything else was just plain unlikeable
 

Podunk

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Topher Grace as Venom disappointed me so much that I actively avoided this movie, one of the only two I've done so with. And I could have seen it in theaters for free. All the negatives reviews certainly didn't help after that..
 

Space Spoons

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I think it was just too busy. You simply cannot fit three villains as big as Venom, Green Goblin II (oh fine, New Goblin) and Sandman into one film and expect it to come out smelling like roses.

To me, Venom and New Goblin were both stories with a lot of potential that could have truly benefited from a steady buildup. Like, imagine if Spidey found the Black Suit in Spider-Man 3 and used it to save the day, without having his emotions effected too much. To the average movie goer, it looks like Spidey's just found an awesome new costume to help him win fights. To the fans... It's a sign that the next movie is going to be all about the "battle within", eventually leading up to a showdown with Venom.
 

Chewster

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Too many villians. Not enough screen time for the highly anticipated Venom. Pandering to the emos.

Etc.

No big mystery, really.
 

BlackAura

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I'm amazed that no one posted this...

Black20: Spiderman 3 - Product Placement [http://black20.com/black20-trailer-park/spiderman-3-product-placement]

Needless to say, in just over a minute, I was more entertained than I was during all of SM3's 2h 20m run.
 

Aesir23

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DuplicateValue said:
I'm gonna blame the embarrassingly lame dancing sequence in the middle, complete with emo make-up.
Dancing sequence? Thank God I decided to forgo that movie.