Nomanslander said:
Hafrael said:
Nomanslander said:
Hafrael said:
I refuse to watch anything Halo that isn't directed by Neil Blomkamp.
I refuse to watch anything Halo period.
Why not? I think the Haloverse is pretty damn interesting as far as scifi goes.
What? I said I'll watch it... lol
Anyways... why don't I like Halo?
I don't know. I guess it has something to do with the human and aliens relationships in that universe. For instance in the Mass Effect universe, humans are just another race trying to make it in the galaxy. The universe is grey, some races love us, some hate us. There's nothing special about humans, which is what forces the specious to try and stick out.
In the Halo universe, everything is so black a white. It's us vs. them. Us being good, them being evil. Halo works on a level that a lot of old fiction use to when it came to real war propaganda. In how to inspire a bunch of young men to take arms against the foreign oppressors - reasons for risking their lives for country and kin.
Take the movie Starship Troopers. What's brilliant about that movie is that it works on that level only on the surface. But when you find out that the story is really about fascism and the humans are really the invading force...
Well...
I don't know. Halo is just too dumb for me. It's the story about the human struggle against one dimensional evil... and... yeah!
Oh, believe you me it is anything but black and white. Lets consider all the factions at play by the events of Halo 4. We have the UNSC, the Covenant Remnant (AKA Storm Covenant), the seperate races that made up the Covenant, the human Insurrectionists, and the Forerunner Prometheans led by the Didact.
The UNSC are the military arm of the UEG (United Earth Government) and their main focus is good, protecting humanity across the Orion Arm of the Milky Way (i.e. all current human colonies). However, they are prepared to abandon entire worlds to the Covenant for the greater good, use nuclear weapons to wipe out enemy ground troops on planets they deem unsaveable, led a six year campaign with countless deaths to defend a single world that got glassed anyway at the start of the war (Harvest), and they kidnapped kids to use in the SPARTAN-II project. Their top scientist is a war criminal, as is the head of their spy division, ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence), and it's only near the end of her life that the chief spy redeems herself for said war crimes.
The Covenant Remnant are the villains of Halo 4, partly, so they're pretty bad. However, their leaders are nothing more than religious fundamentalists who believe what they're doing is right. Their main leader lost his wife and his best friend in the war with humans, so has personal reasons to see the humans wiped out. He's also been manipulated for all his life by other religious fundamentalists towards the beliefs he has.
The Sangheili (that is, Elites) are constantly shown to have a society and social structure very similar to humans, at least in certain terms (as well as a caste structure similar to that of, say, feudal times). We see plenty of main characters who are Sangheili, several of whom have wives and families. They're never shown as being pure evil, they're simply the other side in a war where they have every reason to believe their opponents are nothing but evil as well. Most of the bad stuff about Sangheili we see in the series is all but stated directly to be propaganda by ONI Section II. As for the other races, the San Shyuum (Prophets) are simply weak willed and led by manipulative bastards, the Huragok (Engineers) are 100% neutral and don't care about the conflict nor do they get involved in it, the Jiralhanae (Brutes) are intelligent and simply have a pack societal structure that is manipulated by the Prophets (after the war they mostly stay neutral), the Lekgolo (Hunters) are kind of coerced into joining the Covenant and are apparently creations of the Forerunners anyway, the Unggoy (Grunts) are forced into fighting and don't actually have anything against humans, and the Kig-Yar (Jackals) are mostly just mercenaries and pirates and are happy to fight for humans if paid enough.
The human Insurrectionists are mostly terrorists who use propaganda to make themselves out to be freedom fighters, however despite their evil acts they do have legitimate grievances against the UNSC. It's interesting to see how people who are fans of both Halo and Firefly will say they're staunch Browncoats in one sentence then in the next breath say they support the UNSC in Halo. The Innies are bad for using things like bombs in a nightclub (which in one Halo short story kill a main character's girlfriend and cause said character to have a breakdown) or for using nukes against the UNSC; on the other hand all they want is a chance to govern themselves instead of being ruled by an Earth that doesn't seem to care so much about the Outer Colonies (and again was willing to abandon worlds during the Covenant War to protect worlds nearer to Earth).
The remaining Sangheili on Sanghelios, as led by the Arbiter, are dealing with the Storm Covenant by the time of Halo 4, and during this civil war they don't want to fight against humans at all, in fact they want peace. The UNSC also wants peace, but a group within the UNSC (led by the head at the time of ONI) are deliberately trying to start a Sangheili civil war purely to score political and military points against the aliens.
The Forerunners have a big massive and complicated backstory I won't get into here due to its complexity, but the Didact has a legitimate reason to hate humans, in that they did massive damage to his race and forces in another war 100000 years ago and were apparently invading Forerunner space; it was only later that he found that the humans had legitimate reasons to invade said space (i.e. they were fleeing from the Flood for the first time). The only race, or set of characters, in fact, that could be considered truly 'evil' are the Flood, and they're a hive mind who are mostly following nothing more than instinct so even they have a very slight redemptive quality.
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Yeah, I'd say this is a lot more than just black and white.