Augh, ok lets take a look at this.Del-Toro said:I'm an agnostic, so I'm still at the crossroad. I used to be an atheist, then I realized that the atheistic train of thought is no more valid than any other, and that we're all just placing bets.
isn't agnosticism a lack of belief that god is knowable?WayOutThere said:Augh, ok lets take a look at this.Del-Toro said:I'm an agnostic, so I'm still at the crossroad. I used to be an atheist, then I realized that the atheistic train of thought is no more valid than any other, and that we're all just placing bets.
theism- belief in God
atheism- lack of belief in God
Let this by noted "lack of belief in God" is not "belief there is no God".
gnosticism- belief we can know things about God
agnosticism- belief God is inherently unknowable
You realize there is not enough evidence to know one way or another.
You're an atheist.
damn, you're rightcobra_ky said:isn't agnosticism a lack of belief that god is knowable?WayOutThere said:Augh, ok lets take a look at this.Del-Toro said:I'm an agnostic, so I'm still at the crossroad. I used to be an atheist, then I realized that the atheistic train of thought is no more valid than any other, and that we're all just placing bets.
theism- belief in God
atheism- lack of belief in God
Let this by noted "lack of belief in God" is not "belief there is no God".
gnosticism- belief we can know things about God
agnosticism- belief God is inherently unknowable
You realize there is not enough evidence to know one way or another.
You're an atheist.
Thank you, someone gets it, as far as I'm concerned god isn't knowable because a supernatural being on a different plain of reality isn't going to leave a large amount of evidence here. Therefore, while there is no evidence that he is there, there isn't any to prove he's not, and with all the different religions out the idea I follow is that, as I said before, we're all just placing bets. All I'm trying was saying is that it's impossible to know for sure until the very end, so you might as well put your money down on one of the many options out there.cobra_ky said:isn't agnosticism a lack of belief that god is knowable?WayOutThere said:Augh, ok lets take a look at this.Del-Toro said:I'm an agnostic, so I'm still at the crossroad. I used to be an atheist, then I realized that the atheistic train of thought is no more valid than any other, and that we're all just placing bets.
theism- belief in God
atheism- lack of belief in God
Let this by noted "lack of belief in God" is not "belief there is no God".
gnosticism- belief we can know things about God
agnosticism- belief God is inherently unknowable
You realize there is not enough evidence to know one way or another.
You're an atheist.
"Placing a bet" is not without its consequences. There is good reason to avoid it altogether.Del-Toro said:Thank you, someone gets it, as far as I'm concerned god isn't knowable because a supernatural being on a different plain of reality isn't going to leave a large amount of evidence here. Therefore, while there is no evidence that he is there, there isn't any to prove he's not, and with all the different religions out the idea I follow is that, as I said before, we're all just placing bets. All I'm trying was saying is that it's impossible to know for sure until the very end, so you might as well put your money down on one of the many options out there.
You're an Agnostic then. You realize that Agnostic means you really don't care for religion and you just believe what you believe without worrying about it.Aqualung said:Many of my friends are either atheists, agnostics, or Christians. I'm the only person I know who believes in 'whatever I wantism'. So basically looking at things like reincarnation and guardian spirits and saying, "Hey, that's cool, it could be possible and I'd like to think it is."WayOutThere said:Do you take a "many paths" approach? Do people you know?
If I get to heaven when I die, though, and Jesus is standing there all "Hey, you! Be Christian!" though, I would. I wouldn't die/fight guarding my beliefs.
..No, I'm not. Agnostic acknowledges the existence of a supernatural entity that's higher than us, but that mankind is unable to comprehend such a being. It's a, "I don't know what's up there, but it's too smart for me to get". Agnostics don't believe in reincarnation, or guardian angels, or spirits and demons and all the silly stuff I do.SuperFriendBFG said:You're an Agnostic then. You realize that Agnostic means you really don't care for religion and you just believe what you believe without worrying about it.Aqualung said:Many of my friends are either atheists, agnostics, or Christians. I'm the only person I know who believes in 'whatever I wantism'. So basically looking at things like reincarnation and guardian spirits and saying, "Hey, that's cool, it could be possible and I'd like to think it is."WayOutThere said:Do you take a "many paths" approach? Do people you know?
If I get to heaven when I die, though, and Jesus is standing there all "Hey, you! Be Christian!" though, I would. I wouldn't die/fight guarding my beliefs.
I think Zen Buddhism has more to it than Christianity, personally. (I'm still neither.)Valine said:I view all religions as equal... Equally false that is!
"Agnostic: A person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience."Aqualung said:..No, I'm not. Agnostic acknowledges the existence of a supernatural entity that's higher than us, but that mankind is unable to comprehend such a being. It's a, "I don't know what's up there, but it's too smart for me to get". Agnostics don't believe in reincarnation, or guardian angels, or spirits and demons and all the silly stuff I do.SuperFriendBFG said:You're an Agnostic then. You realize that Agnostic means you really don't care for religion and you just believe what you believe without worrying about it.Aqualung said:Many of my friends are either atheists, agnostics, or Christians. I'm the only person I know who believes in 'whatever I wantism'. So basically looking at things like reincarnation and guardian spirits and saying, "Hey, that's cool, it could be possible and I'd like to think it is."WayOutThere said:Do you take a "many paths" approach? Do people you know?
If I get to heaven when I die, though, and Jesus is standing there all "Hey, you! Be Christian!" though, I would. I wouldn't die/fight guarding my beliefs.
Believe it or not, I did learn something from my world religions class, and that is not agnosticism.
I see what your saying. Remember, it wasn't so long ago that science believed that your heart controlled your body like a brain and that emotions were caused by an imbalance in the humours.ZeroMachine said:That's the way I think, in a sense. I'm more of a believer in the idea of infinite possibility. In reality, anything could be true. There's no way to specifically say "THIS IS TRUE! I HAVE PROOF!" because sometimes even what we as humans with our limited visions of reality take as proof can actually be false.
It's weird, I know, but I'm a firm believer in the idea that we can never truly know anything. We can only believe what is in front of us or choose to deny it. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
No, it doesn't. You just proved yourself wrong. I think believing in something matters, and what I believe in, is a firm but subject-to-change set of beliefs. I have my own beliefs in a God(s), but I won't list them here because they're quite silly. Were I agnostic, I'd have no clue what I believe in. But I do. You definition also didn't mention anything about "mattering", anyway.SuperFriendBFG said:"Agnostic: A person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience."Aqualung said:..No, I'm not. Agnostic acknowledges the existence of a supernatural entity that's higher than us, but that mankind is unable to comprehend such a being. It's a, "I don't know what's up there, but it's too smart for me to get". Agnostics don't believe in reincarnation, or guardian angels, or spirits and demons and all the silly stuff I do.SuperFriendBFG said:You're an Agnostic then. You realize that Agnostic means you really don't care for religion and you just believe what you believe without worrying about it.Aqualung said:Many of my friends are either atheists, agnostics, or Christians. I'm the only person I know who believes in 'whatever I wantism'. So basically looking at things like reincarnation and guardian spirits and saying, "Hey, that's cool, it could be possible and I'd like to think it is."WayOutThere said:Do you take a "many paths" approach? Do people you know?
If I get to heaven when I die, though, and Jesus is standing there all "Hey, you! Be Christian!" though, I would. I wouldn't die/fight guarding my beliefs.
Believe it or not, I did learn something from my world religions class, and that is not agnosticism.
It just means you don't think that believing or not believing in it really matters.