Splinter Cell Blacklist: I'm done.

[Mr Companion]

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

Problem is, this is how Ubisoft have decided to present the game, Fisher starts off killing indiscriminately, then alerting all the guards and then calls in no less than an airstrike. Im not a long time fan of this series but I have played a couple and I can tell you if I WAS a fan this would look tactless. The audience this footage is aimed to excite are dudebros, they lack patience and love streamlined violent action which is totally fine. But Splinter Cell is not the place for that, a new IP is the place for that.

As for "im sick of this" the guy has played the previous installments and the footage here is near identical to Conviction albeit even less stealth focused which is clearly his problem with it. If somebody voicing an opinion is upsetting you so much you might be struggling with the concept of conversation. Also if you could only voice an opinion of a game after playing through that would make conversation very expensive indeed. You could say this is a literal take on "freedom of speech" (ho ho ho im a smug prick).

 

[Darkmantle]

haha, it looks like assassins creed! wow ubisoft! wow!

 

[Mr Companion]

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

You are now officially bound to experience something in its entirety before forming an opinion on it.

As I said before the intention of this trailer is to tell you what the game is about, otherwise they wouldn't make it. This trailer is all we have to go on, right now this trailer is all that exists of the game to the public eye. If Ubisoft want us to think otherwise they had better reflect that with the promotional material they release. Truth is though they don't care about a fans rage, they care about money. This trailer is supposed to secure that money.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Better yet most of what we have seen of Hitman Absolution is like a wannabe Conviction.

Have you watched the Chinatown gameplay video? Honestly, that filled me with hope. You were still given an open environment with a plethora of ways to kill your target. Just like we're used to from Hitman. Even the accidents make their return.

Blacklist though... I stopped caring when I saw and heard that non-Sam Fisher character.

 

[Shocksplicer]

Today I watched this gameplay footage of the upcoming Splinter Cell Blacklist:

Spoiler

Suffice to say that I am done with Splinter Cell. I have, up until now, played every game in this series that has been released (apart from the portable installments). It has been one of my favourite series, and Chaos Theory is among my favourite games. My mates and I have even had some good times with the significantly less stealthy Conviction, despite it being nowhere near as good as the other installments.

But consider this the last straw. Running and Gunning, Zero Stealth and the ability to call in fucking AIR STRIKES?! Not to mention the fact that Michael Ironside, who has up till now been the voice of Sam in every game, has inexplicably been recast.

It's a sad state of affairs for my favourite pasttime when two of my favourite series (Splinter Cell and Hitman) have been dumbed down and needlessly meddled with to the point that they are now the exact same game, and it's not one I want to play.

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

And I'm sick of posts like these. I present valid reasons why I am disappointed in the new Splinter Cell, state my reasons why I am done with the series and somehow it's whining? my point was that Conviction was a step in the wrong direction and that Blacklist is clearly a step further in that wrong direction. If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say, piss off.

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

But it shows the DIRECTION that Ubisoft are going in! The main complaint in Conviction was the lack of stealth. Ubisoft must have known that in order to appease fans they would have to make this demo stealthy. Instead, there is the opposite. This indicates strongly that they no longer care about making this a stealth game.

 

[Knight Templar]

I don't know what people are complaining about, this game clearly has great stealth. In fact the stealth was so good that you don't even see him use it! Now that is advanced.

Seriously, it was an american shooting ethnic people in a desert before calling in an airstrike. You would need to have no idea what Splinter Cell is like or what any and almost every modern shooter is like to think this was a good idea.

This is closer to Splinter Cell than anything has been in years

If you went running and gunning in Splinter Cell, Pandora Tomorrow, Chaos Theory or double agent you would die very quickly and often, and that's not even counting missions where detection wasn't an option.

This is closer to Assassin's Creed, or if I'm being very generous Ghost Recon, than Splinter Cell.

 

[lacktheknack]

i watched the video but you cheeky person putting in a call of duty video . so where is the splinter cell video?

I have some soul-deadening news for you.

OT: Noep. My selection from Ubisoft is really limited right now as is (dat DRM), and this has done nothing to expand it. When are we going to get that stealth game I wanted where your options are stealth, diplomacy and evasion, with combat not an option?

 

[lacktheknack]

Today I watched this gameplay footage of the upcoming Splinter Cell Blacklist:

Spoiler

Suffice to say that I am done with Splinter Cell. I have, up until now, played every game in this series that has been released (apart from the portable installments). It has been one of my favourite series, and Chaos Theory is among my favourite games. My mates and I have even had some good times with the significantly less stealthy Conviction, despite it being nowhere near as good as the other installments.

But consider this the last straw. Running and Gunning, Zero Stealth and the ability to call in fucking AIR STRIKES?! Not to mention the fact that Michael Ironside, who has up till now been the voice of Sam in every game, has inexplicably been recast.

It's a sad state of affairs for my favourite pasttime when two of my favourite series (Splinter Cell and Hitman) have been dumbed down and needlessly meddled with to the point that they are now the exact same game, and it's not one I want to play.

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

And I'm sick of posts like these. I present valid reasons why I am disappointed in the new Splinter Cell, state my reasons why I am done with the series and somehow it's whining? my point was that Conviction was a step in the wrong direction and that Blacklist is clearly a step further in that wrong direction. If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say, piss off.

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

No. I refuse. They're supposed to ENTICE me with the bloody trailer, and all they've done is enforce the idea that I'll hate it. I refuse to buy games that I'll hate.

For them to release a game I'd like out of that mess, the only way would be having the PR department being angry chimps. I have my doubts about that, so I'll have to take what they say somewhat seriously. What they've told me is "This is a game that you'll hate because we don't understand the idea of niches, now go back to your indies and actually stealthy games".

I do not have to play a game in entirety to decide whether or not I'll like it. If you say I do need to, then please, shine on you crazy, crazy diamond.

 

[Dogstile]

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

You are now officially bound to experience something in its entirety before forming an opinion on it.

As I said before the intention of this trailer is to tell you what the game is about, otherwise they wouldn't make it. This trailer is all we have to go on, right now this trailer is all that exists of the game to the public eye. If Ubisoft want us to think otherwise they had better reflect that with the promotional material they release. Truth is though they don't care about a fans rage, they care about money. This trailer is supposed to secure that money.

Its a demo. They have a limited window to show everything impressive. He has stated you can get past that machine gun without using an airstrike. They showed Sam being stealthy and they showed him doing his action thing. He now has the option for both and they've written the story to allow for the flexibility. These are options that you can use, you don't have to use the go loud and kill everyone method if you don't want to (hell, I didn't even use it in conviction the majority of the time, but when I did it was fun) The only valid complaint people have is Ironside and even then that's petty. Swearing off a game because they ditched the voice actor who was reportedly being overly demanding? Yeah, that's pretty petty.

But nope, focus on the parts of the trailer you don't like, ignore the stealthy parts that they clearly showed. That's right gamers, keep it classy.

Today I watched this gameplay footage of the upcoming Splinter Cell Blacklist:

Spoiler

Suffice to say that I am done with Splinter Cell. I have, up until now, played every game in this series that has been released (apart from the portable installments). It has been one of my favourite series, and Chaos Theory is among my favourite games. My mates and I have even had some good times with the significantly less stealthy Conviction, despite it being nowhere near as good as the other installments.

But consider this the last straw. Running and Gunning, Zero Stealth and the ability to call in fucking AIR STRIKES?! Not to mention the fact that Michael Ironside, who has up till now been the voice of Sam in every game, has inexplicably been recast.

It's a sad state of affairs for my favourite pasttime when two of my favourite series (Splinter Cell and Hitman) have been dumbed down and needlessly meddled with to the point that they are now the exact same game, and it's not one I want to play.

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

And I'm sick of posts like these. I present valid reasons why I am disappointed in the new Splinter Cell, state my reasons why I am done with the series and somehow it's whining? my point was that Conviction was a step in the wrong direction and that Blacklist is clearly a step further in that wrong direction. If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say, piss off.

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

No. I refuse. They're supposed to ENTICE me with the bloody trailer, and all they've done is enforce the idea that I'll hate it. I refuse to buy games that I'll hate.

For them to release a game I'd like out of that mess, the only way would be having the PR department being angry chimps. I have my doubts about that, so I'll have to take what they say somewhat seriously. What they've told me is "This is a game that you'll hate because we don't understand the idea of niches, now go back to your indies and actually stealthy games".

I do not have to play a game in entirety to decide whether or not I'll like it. If you say I do need to, then please, shine on you crazy, crazy diamond.

HE NEVER SAID IN ITS ENTIRETY. They do these things called demo's. If you don't have a console well fair enough, ubi has fucked you over (you should expect that by now to be honest, I do). Just, play a bit. Christ.

 

[anthony87]

I've only ever played the first one but it didn't engross me enough to get me into the series as a whole so I can't look at the trailer from the viewpoint of a fan of the series. However I will say that the gameplay has far far too much fucking wub wub.

Seriously, what's with all the wub wub in games lately?

 

[lacktheknack]

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

You are now officially bound to experience something in its entirety before forming an opinion on it.

As I said before the intention of this trailer is to tell you what the game is about, otherwise they wouldn't make it. This trailer is all we have to go on, right now this trailer is all that exists of the game to the public eye. If Ubisoft want us to think otherwise they had better reflect that with the promotional material they release. Truth is though they don't care about a fans rage, they care about money. This trailer is supposed to secure that money.

Its a demo. They have a limited window to show everything impressive. He has stated you can get past that machine gun without using an airstrike. They showed Sam being stealthy and they showed him doing his action thing. He now has the option for both and they've written the story to allow for the flexibility. These are options that you can use, you don't have to use the go loud and kill everyone method if you don't want to (hell, I didn't even use it in conviction the majority of the time, but when I did it was fun) The only valid complaint people have is Ironside and even then that's petty. Swearing off a game because they ditched the voice actor who was reportedly being overly demanding? Yeah, that's pretty petty.

But nope, focus on the parts of the trailer you don't like, ignore the stealthy parts that they clearly showed. That's right gamers, keep it classy.

Today I watched this gameplay footage of the upcoming Splinter Cell Blacklist:

Spoiler

Suffice to say that I am done with Splinter Cell. I have, up until now, played every game in this series that has been released (apart from the portable installments). It has been one of my favourite series, and Chaos Theory is among my favourite games. My mates and I have even had some good times with the significantly less stealthy Conviction, despite it being nowhere near as good as the other installments.

But consider this the last straw. Running and Gunning, Zero Stealth and the ability to call in fucking AIR STRIKES?! Not to mention the fact that Michael Ironside, who has up till now been the voice of Sam in every game, has inexplicably been recast.

It's a sad state of affairs for my favourite pasttime when two of my favourite series (Splinter Cell and Hitman) have been dumbed down and needlessly meddled with to the point that they are now the exact same game, and it's not one I want to play.

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

And I'm sick of posts like these. I present valid reasons why I am disappointed in the new Splinter Cell, state my reasons why I am done with the series and somehow it's whining? my point was that Conviction was a step in the wrong direction and that Blacklist is clearly a step further in that wrong direction. If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say, piss off.

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

No. I refuse. They're supposed to ENTICE me with the bloody trailer, and all they've done is enforce the idea that I'll hate it. I refuse to buy games that I'll hate.

For them to release a game I'd like out of that mess, the only way would be having the PR department being angry chimps. I have my doubts about that, so I'll have to take what they say somewhat seriously. What they've told me is "This is a game that you'll hate because we don't understand the idea of niches, now go back to your indies and actually stealthy games".

I do not have to play a game in entirety to decide whether or not I'll like it. If you say I do need to, then please, shine on you crazy, crazy diamond.

HE NEVER SAID IN ITS ENTIRETY. They do these things called demo's. If you don't have a console well fair enough, ubi has fucked you over (you should expect that by now to be honest, I do). Just, play a bit. Christ.

OK, three things.

A. Yes, they showed stealthy bits, but they focused more on the blazing guns and explosions. I want NONE of those to be necessary, but the focus of the trailer tells me that they are. Seriously, for having "options", there didn't seem to be any form of options on that final breaching assault. It's "force entry, kill all, cutscene".

B. I'm one of the biggest advocates of demos, and yes, I think there should be a demo. I have no reason to believe there will be one, seeing how they're depressingly rare nowadays, and because...

C. I AM PC exclusive, so yes, I came in here with minimal expectations. Ubisoft still managed to underperform. It hurts, it really does.

 

[Shocksplicer]

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

You are now officially bound to experience something in its entirety before forming an opinion on it.

As I said before the intention of this trailer is to tell you what the game is about, otherwise they wouldn't make it. This trailer is all we have to go on, right now this trailer is all that exists of the game to the public eye. If Ubisoft want us to think otherwise they had better reflect that with the promotional material they release. Truth is though they don't care about a fans rage, they care about money. This trailer is supposed to secure that money.

Its a demo. They have a limited window to show everything impressive. He has stated you can get past that machine gun without using an airstrike. They showed Sam being stealthy and they showed him doing his action thing. He now has the option for both and they've written the story to allow for the flexibility. These are options that you can use, you don't have to use the go loud and kill everyone method if you don't want to (hell, I didn't even use it in conviction the majority of the time, but when I did it was fun) The only valid complaint people have is Ironside and even then that's petty. Swearing off a game because they ditched the voice actor who was reportedly being overly demanding? Yeah, that's pretty petty.

But nope, focus on the parts of the trailer you don't like, ignore the stealthy parts that they clearly showed. That's right gamers, keep it classy.

Today I watched this gameplay footage of the upcoming Splinter Cell Blacklist:

Spoiler

Suffice to say that I am done with Splinter Cell. I have, up until now, played every game in this series that has been released (apart from the portable installments). It has been one of my favourite series, and Chaos Theory is among my favourite games. My mates and I have even had some good times with the significantly less stealthy Conviction, despite it being nowhere near as good as the other installments.

But consider this the last straw. Running and Gunning, Zero Stealth and the ability to call in fucking AIR STRIKES?! Not to mention the fact that Michael Ironside, who has up till now been the voice of Sam in every game, has inexplicably been recast.

It's a sad state of affairs for my favourite pasttime when two of my favourite series (Splinter Cell and Hitman) have been dumbed down and needlessly meddled with to the point that they are now the exact same game, and it's not one I want to play.

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

You watched a tiny bit of gameplay, so you call off the entire game.

I am sick of these posts. Play the finished game first before you starting whining.

And I'm sick of posts like these. I present valid reasons why I am disappointed in the new Splinter Cell, state my reasons why I am done with the series and somehow it's whining? my point was that Conviction was a step in the wrong direction and that Blacklist is clearly a step further in that wrong direction. If you don't have anything intelligent or relevant to say, piss off.

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

No. I refuse. They're supposed to ENTICE me with the bloody trailer, and all they've done is enforce the idea that I'll hate it. I refuse to buy games that I'll hate.

For them to release a game I'd like out of that mess, the only way would be having the PR department being angry chimps. I have my doubts about that, so I'll have to take what they say somewhat seriously. What they've told me is "This is a game that you'll hate because we don't understand the idea of niches, now go back to your indies and actually stealthy games".

I do not have to play a game in entirety to decide whether or not I'll like it. If you say I do need to, then please, shine on you crazy, crazy diamond.

HE NEVER SAID IN ITS ENTIRETY. They do these things called demo's. If you don't have a console well fair enough, ubi has fucked you over (you should expect that by now to be honest, I do). Just, play a bit. Christ.

Oh for fucks sake...
You're right! This is a demo! And do you know what, a demo is LITERALLY a section of a game which is supposed to give an indication of the overall quality and gameplay of the game!
IF A DEMO SHOWS GAMEPLAY THAT I DON'T WANT, AND DOESN'T MAKE ME WANT TO PLAY THE GAME, NOT ONLY IS IT PERFECTLY RESONABLE TO BE UPSET, IT IS THE LOGICAL RESPONSE.

 

[Kevin7557]

After watching the E3 Trailer I was like "DONE!" as well. First off the game play decisions are just horrific, second the voice actor while not being a big deal for sound if he doesn't think the game is worth his talent then it isn't worth my money.

Finally a mission on the Iranian Boarder could you prove you are trying to make establishment games for the west any harder. First Future Soldier and it is okay to violate the rules of war, the Rainbow with Nato Killing Americans and having the game based on Southern Poverty Law center propaganda and now Splinter Cell on the Irani boarder.

Given geopoltical circumstances of the world and the potential now for an Irani, Russian, Chinese, and Syrian victory I don't see this game being a big seller.

 

[Dogstile]

You didn't post valid reasons at all. You saw a four minute gameplay demo and say the entire game will be like that. Did you not?

All I am saying is play the game before you make wild accusations.

You are now officially bound to experience something in its entirety before forming an opinion on it.

As I said before the intention of this trailer is to tell you what the game is about, otherwise they wouldn't make it. This trailer is all we have to go on, right now this trailer is all that exists of the game to the public eye. If Ubisoft want us to think otherwise they had better reflect that with the promotional material they release. Truth is though they don't care about a fans rage, they care about money. This trailer is supposed to secure that money.

Its a demo. They have a limited window to show everything impressive. He has stated you can get past that machine gun without using an airstrike. They showed Sam being stealthy and they showed him doing his action thing. He now has the option for both and they've written the story to allow for the flexibility. These are options that you can use, you don't have to use the go loud and kill everyone method if you don't want to (hell, I didn't even use it in conviction the majority of the time, but when I did it was fun) The only valid complaint people have is Ironside and even then that's petty. Swearing off a game because they ditched the voice actor who was reportedly being overly demanding? Yeah, that's pretty petty.

But nope, focus on the parts of the trailer you don't like, ignore the stealthy parts that they clearly showed. That's right gamers, keep it classy.

Oh to hell with the snipping, i'm going to bed in a second anyway.

No, I didn't say watch a demo. I said play it. Wait until a demo comes out, sit down with a controller in your hands and see if you can stealth through a level. People told me I couldn't stealth through conviction, guess what? Aside from a few scripted events, I could!

It is not reasonable to be upset because they show off the newer features of their game in more detail than the stealth. Of course they're going to do that, why the hell wouldn't you show off the newer stuff. Anyone who's interested at this point has more than likely played a splinter cell game, its a big series, they don't need to show off a basic feature that they have had in every game. [/quote]

OK, three things.

A. Yes, they showed stealthy bits, but they focused more on the blazing guns and explosions. I want NONE of those to be necessary, but the focus of the trailer tells me that they are. Seriously, for having "options", there didn't seem to be any form of options on that final breaching assault. It's "force entry, kill all, cutscene".

B. I'm one of the biggest advocates of demos, and yes, I think there should be a demo. I have no reason to believe there will be one, seeing how they're depressingly rare nowadays, and because...

C. I AM PC exclusive, so yes, I came in here with minimal expectations. Ubisoft still managed to underperform. It hurts, it really does.

Right, i've explained why they would show off the more action oriented bits, but the final standoff? Yeah, they know you're there at that point no matter what. They found the body's in the tent earlier in the level. They scripted it for story purposes. Now they did make multiple ways into the room, but at that point they know you're there, so yes, that will be the only option. Because it's written that way for the story. You know what, that's fine because it makes sense.

There was a demo for the last game, however it wasn't on PC. So yeah, you're probably screwed unless you have a console friend. I feel for you man, i'm a PC player too. Luckily my brother lets me use his xbox as he doesn't have a TV in his room, but I feel your pain. Ubi hates PC owners.

 

[HellsingerAngel]

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

I think it looks great! I've played every single Splinter Cell game and I think this looks really neat. I'm loving all the gadgets being back in full force again with the breaching charges, facial recognition on the snake-cam and the shock darts. Most of all, however, I'm glad they kept in the Conviction style of game play. Having a gun and actually being able to use it is nice as opposed to insta-losing when seen, whether that's the actual mechanic or being riddled with bullets the second I'm spotted.

Now, I understand there's some hate around the whole "run and gun" portion, but I'm wondering where it's coming from. Did we play the same Conviction or was it just me who had all the stealth parts in mine? Maybe it was a snafu with all the disks and only the Collector's Edition has the stealth bits and everyone else got copies of Modern Warfare or something. Pretty sure, though, that I went through the majority of that game playing stealth with bits of action interspersed to keep things on-edge and different. It was highly aggressive stealth game play where I hunted down every single man, woman and child that was in my way, but at the end of the day I slunk through the shadows to make sure no one saw a thing.

The main thing I take away from this, however, is the overall attitude: I'm in control. The older Splinter Cell games made me feel like a rat trying to scurry away from light as a rent-a-cop came around the corner. The newer iterations make me feel like I'm the predator and all the guards are inexperienced oafs that pale in comparison. I control the situation, flying across window ledges after pulling a man from a window to his demise below and then shooting the man who came to check what the screaming was about from the next window over. I don't need to hide bodies because everyone I come across meets their untimely demise with a gruesome take down or the whisper quiet shot of a suppressed pistol. The sense of fear I can feel radiate off the guards is palpable as I'm the ghost in the shadows, letting them know just enough to make them fear me but never know where I'll be next. While crawling through vents and clinging to pipes for hours on end may seem riveting to you, being able to not only defend myself from assailants but also being able to prey upon them is more so what I visualize when I think of an operator like Sam.

Our opinions may differ but I think you've purposefully exaggerated your point to make an argument. I'm not saying you have to like the changes but you can't say this isn't a stealth game, it's just a different stealth game with options to not have to be stealthy when you so choose to or mess up. As another poster put it, I'd rather not instantly lose for not playing the game its way, I'd rather just transition from one type of game play to another.

 

[Shocksplicer]

What do you guys think? Will you be buying Splinter Cell Blacklist, or for that matter Hitman: Absolution? Do the changes bother you? Do you think they still look fun?

I think it looks great! I've played every single Splinter Cell game and I think this looks really neat. I'm loving all the gadgets being back in full force again with the breaching charges, facial recognition on the snake-cam and the shock darts. Most of all, however, I'm glad they kept in the Conviction style of game play. Having a gun and actually being able to use it is nice as opposed to insta-losing when seen, whether that's the actual mechanic or being riddled with bullets the second I'm spotted.

Now, I understand there's some hate around the whole "run and gun" portion, but I'm wondering where it's coming from. Did we play the same Conviction or was it just me who had all the stealth parts in mine? Maybe it was a snafu with all the disks and only the Collector's Edition has the stealth bits and everyone else got copies of Modern Warfare or something. Pretty sure, though, that I went through the majority of that game playing stealth with bits of action interspersed to keep things on-edge and different. It was highly aggressive stealth game play where I hunted down every single man, woman and child that was in my way, but at the end of the day I slunk through the shadows to make sure no one saw a thing.

The main thing I take away from this, however, is the overall attitude: I'm in control. The older Splinter Cell games made me feel like a rat trying to scurry away from light as a rent-a-cop came around the corner. The newer iterations make me feel like I'm the predator and all the guards are inexperienced oafs that pale in comparison. I control the situation, flying across window ledges after pulling a man from a window to his demise below and then shooting the man who came to check what the screaming was about from the next window over. I don't need to hide bodies because everyone I come across meets their untimely demise with a gruesome take down or the whisper quiet shot of a suppressed pistol. The sense of fear I can feel radiate off the guards is palpable as I'm the ghost in the shadows, letting them know just enough to make them fear me but never know where I'll be next. While crawling through vents and clinging to pipes for hours on end may seem riveting to you, being able to not only defend myself from assailants but also being able to prey upon them is more so what I visualize when I think of an operator like Sam.

Our opinions may differ but I think you've purposefully exaggerated your point to make an argument. I'm not saying you have to like the changes but you can't say this isn't a stealth game, it's just a different stealth game with options to not have to be stealthy when you so choose to or mess up. As another poster put it, I'd rather not instantly lose for not playing the game its way, I'd rather just transition from one type of game play to another.

Whichever way you look at it, Conviction was significantly less stealthy than the previous installments, and regardless most people preferred the older style of gameplay. Most of the stealth in Conviction existed solely because the enemy AI ws so dreadful that it didn't notice you doing things that it logically should have, so you could run past them without them noticing.

Also, I've exagerrated nothing. The video I linked featured no stealth (Running flat-out past two guards who should have noticed you is NOT stealth, it's shit AI). I can say it's not a stealth game, because so far I've been given absolutely no reason to think that it is a stealth game on any level.

 

[TheCommanders]

For Splinter Cell: There is no good reason besides his death that Ironside shouldn't be the voice of Sam. End Transmission.

For Hitman: Absolution, the comparison is not fair or valid. Hitman is about large open areas with one objective and tons of ways (stealthy, precise, accidental, silent, noisy, etc) to accomplish that objective. *From what I've seen so far* (especially the gameplay trailer of chinatown) it looks like they've done just that. Yes the Saints trailer was ridiculously stupid, but fortunately that has nothing to do with the gameplay, and this looks to be the best Hitman yet.

 

[DigitalAtlas]

...I think it looks fast-paced and fantastic.

I had no idea other people did not agree.

This looks like it's combining Chaos Theory, Double Agent, and Convictions all in one game.

 

[Shocksplicer]

For Splinter Cell: There is no good reason besides his death that Ironside shouldn't be the voice of Sam. End Transmission.

For Hitman: Absolution, the comparison is not fair or valid. Hitman is about large open areas with one objective and tons of ways (stealthy, precise, accidental, silent, noisy, etc) to accomplish that objective. *From what I've seen so far* (especially the gameplay trailer of chinatown) it looks like they've done just that. Yes the Saints trailer was ridiculously stupid, but fortunately that has nothing to do with the gameplay, and this looks to be the best Hitman yet.

When I made the thread I had not seen the Chinatown video. Everything I had seen up to that point looked like an attempt at a poor mans' Conviction. I accept now that these videos were not indicative of the whole.