*spoilers* Fable 2 has the worst/most disturbing storyline I've ever experienced; not cool
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You only found it a mild-chastise because you probably never liked her to begin with. In perspective, Hammer was a good friend. She had stuck with you since her father's death, and expressed deep care for you when you were gone in the Spire.Roamin11 said:
The fact that she disses you utterly and insensitively (despite her own father's death, and sharing so many moments with you, being completely callous to the fact that you love your family and dog) makes her a tremendous jerk. The chastise was anything but mild. Tell me how -you- would feel if your best friend said what she said after resurrecting your own family from a fictitious scenario
I have never played fable, but I never knew it actually had a story. I thought it was just like playing a lonely MMORPG
I thought it was kind of a back-stab comment, because we were on the level of best friends earlier. Still, you make a good point about Garth standing up for you. Hammer disappoints me. I mean, she even lost her own father. How could she say such a cold-thing?Programmed_For_Damage said:
lol, exactly. This was -one of the most disturbing- moments in the game. You run up to the music box, surrounded by scary voices and burning bodies. This -MUST- mean something. I was hoping someone would've caught on this, and explained it to me. It has to do with something pertaining to the 'true nature' of that music box
Just because she never acts, doesn't mean she wasn't planning anything vile. In fact, my theory is that she -had- to have others do her evil bidding. Thus, the spire may be a device for her to activate her true power.swift tongued said:
You're kind of missing the point; I didn't want the ending to be happy. I love sad endings in general. I just wanted it to be make sense, have closure, and be satisfying. By the way, happy =/= satisfying. I believe endings should all be satisfying, but not necessarily happy
#1: I liked Hammer too. She was an interesting character who was driven by a motivation to change things for the better. I think the reason she said that at the end was so the writers could enforce the idea that while this was a good choice, it wasn't the best choice. This can be seen as a pretty flawed piece of logic, but the moral choices in most games are like that. For alternate examples, play Geneforge.
#2: You're meant to hate Reaver. He's a [a href=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard]Magnificent Bastard.[/a]
#3: Albion villagers are clones at heart. They're copies of the same template with a few vague preferences and names thrown in to make them seem different. It's an interesting phenomenon: Oblivion had less NPCs, which caused the place to feel deserted but allowed them to expand on the backstories more, while Fable has a hive mind.
#4: Yeah, I guess you were punked. I don't care. Me and my million gold are going to buy a thousand crunchy chicks, thank you very much.
#5: Yeah, that's just crap. I don't care. Fable 2 wasn't that good anyway. I bought it because I thought it would be closer to Oblivion, a much better game, but it wasn't: it was just a slightly larger version of Fable 1 with less annoying bandits. But I'll make the right choice next time.
Probably not, actually.
#2: You're meant to hate Reaver. He's a [a href=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard]Magnificent Bastard.[/a]
#3: Albion villagers are clones at heart. They're copies of the same template with a few vague preferences and names thrown in to make them seem different. It's an interesting phenomenon: Oblivion had less NPCs, which caused the place to feel deserted but allowed them to expand on the backstories more, while Fable has a hive mind.
#4: Yeah, I guess you were punked. I don't care. Me and my million gold are going to buy a thousand crunchy chicks, thank you very much.
#5: Yeah, that's just crap. I don't care. Fable 2 wasn't that good anyway. I bought it because I thought it would be closer to Oblivion, a much better game, but it wasn't: it was just a slightly larger version of Fable 1 with less annoying bandits. But I'll make the right choice next time.
Probably not, actually.
then this thread and fable 2 have much in common =/orangebandguy said:
Clashero said:
this person is a troll weather or not he/she/it states not to be
so fable 2 had flaws
we get it ok i am a big fan of fable and I've done my bitching last year...and hate speeches about pete.. (sorry pete but you let us down again)
I would politely disagree, considering that you grew up with him through multiple quests since the first one as a child via the photography booth. Also, relative to the mass of other NPCs in Fable 2, Barnum is probably one of the few likable characters.KeyMaster45 said:
This is actually a rather established notion at this point, I hope you realize. For one of many: why else would she smirk at the end of the game, saying 'begone!'. How did you miss this?
I can't say it was horrible, just obviously unfinished. The feeling is being unsatisfied by an ending. It made the same mistake as bridges like HL2 Ep 1 or Matrix Reloaded @_@. The unsatisfying filling of a story who's only purpose is the bridge A to B.
I'm in the weird (small) party that doesn't mind there wasn't a boss battle. The psychological (battle?) of leaving Rosie again was supposed to be it but.. dumb of them to think gamers give a hell, right?
And since people want to drag Dogmeat along, I must say that was the most annoying mutt in the history of annoying mutts. I put him down myself but damnit I really missed my Nox, and he was damn more resourceful too.
I'm in the weird (small) party that doesn't mind there wasn't a boss battle. The psychological (battle?) of leaving Rosie again was supposed to be it but.. dumb of them to think gamers give a hell, right?
And since people want to drag Dogmeat along, I must say that was the most annoying mutt in the history of annoying mutts. I put him down myself but damnit I really missed my Nox, and he was damn more resourceful too.
this level of commentary is rather disappointing coming from a member of the Escapist. It's how I authentically felt about it, shortly after beating it. I didn't make up my feelings, because feelings come naturally. I think I've also made it clear that I -didn't want- to dislike Fable 2. In fact, I've been begging for an intellectual counter to some of the questions. None of which have been answered yet (most notably, the music box)sorry user name taken. said:
Terrible story ending. I have not managed to bring myself to play it again since i last beat it. And i did the really good guy thing and saved all the people! Didn't think Theresa was evil though. Must have missed that one. What's more, by the end of the game, I hated Reaver way more then I had ever disliked Lord Lucien. He killed Barnum without thought or question and during that entire conversation he is just lying there dead. And that was supposed to be funny?!? In general, Fable 2 left me sick to my stomache and in a severe deppression so I don't really care if they make a 3rd. I...will...not...EVER...play...it.
Maybe you should play the first. Theresa isn't evil. She's much like you if you chose the "Love" option. She just wants her brother back.
Hammer isn't a jerk either. She was angry at you, and can you blame her? You just sacrificed the whole of the Spire's workers for a dog. Dogs are great and everything, but just no.
And Reaver is meant to be a jerk. Your meant to not like him. He is the reason why Oakvale's people died again, the place where your decendent The Hero of Oakvale grew up. From the very start you meant to hate his guts, which is made worse when he steals your kill at the end.
Hammer isn't a jerk either. She was angry at you, and can you blame her? You just sacrificed the whole of the Spire's workers for a dog. Dogs are great and everything, but just no.
And Reaver is meant to be a jerk. Your meant to not like him. He is the reason why Oakvale's people died again, the place where your decendent The Hero of Oakvale grew up. From the very start you meant to hate his guts, which is made worse when he steals your kill at the end.
I will play Fable3 only and ONLY IF there is an epic battle to the death with Reaver just so I can kill him.
I did play the first, and the notion that you missed out on the fact that she is evil means you probably won't be able to answer any of my questions.Sparrow Tag said:
Yes I can blame her; for not having the empathy of understanding why you would want to resurrect not only your dog (who has more personality than all the NPCs of Albion), but your family. She lost her father as well, so just no.
didn't at all address the fact that I was upset you weren't able to enact justice
I loved Barnum, he was like Minsc from baldur's gate. I would have liked Reaver too if he hadn't killed Barnum, Reaver was the evil mastermind kind of cool but I just wanted to make him pay after what he did.
So many endless stories in Fable 2, but not in a good way. Every story ends, so we miss out on a final ending.
Still it was fun while it lasted, shame that wasn't long.
So many endless stories in Fable 2, but not in a good way. Every story ends, so we miss out on a final ending.
Still it was fun while it lasted, shame that wasn't long.