Sooooooo, has anyone else who completed HotS feel like Blizzard is making this up as they go along. Specifically I'm talking about how about half way through the campaign you pretty much undo the ending of WoL.
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Nah, they know what they're doing, it's just cheesy as hell. Personally I love it because of that cheesiness, but then I'm apparently among a small minority that went into Starcraft 2 expecting a corny space opera...
The Madman said:
OK, then why did they remove kerrigans zerg parts at the end of WoL then return it in this game?
Yeah, pretty much.
WoL made a really big deal of Kerrigan being de-zergified. Then she just goes and stands in a big yucky pond to re-zergify herself. It doesn't even give much of a reason why. Apparently she needed MOAR POWAH, but she seemed to be controlling zer just fine in her human-but-with-freaky-hair form.
Didn't much like the ending either. Kerrigan comes down with a case of good ol' cutscene stupidity. She just bloody stands there while Mhensk (or however you spell it) has the artefact slowly rising out of the floor.
"Y'know, that thing coming out of the floor looks kind of ominous. Maybe you should leap across the room and chop his hand off before it's all the way out and he starts pressing that button. I know you can do it, you just leapt like twenty meters and tore straight through a mech a few minutes ago. So how about it? No? No, I guess you're not smart enough for that. Oh look, now you get to twitch around on the floor until Jim turns up to save you. At least he doesn't waste time in destroying the Little Button of Doom."
Also, "I made you into a monster"-"You made us all into monsters" was painfully cliche. At least it wasn't as corny as "It's time to kick this revolution into overdrive" though.
WoL made a really big deal of Kerrigan being de-zergified. Then she just goes and stands in a big yucky pond to re-zergify herself. It doesn't even give much of a reason why. Apparently she needed MOAR POWAH, but she seemed to be controlling zer just fine in her human-but-with-freaky-hair form.
Didn't much like the ending either. Kerrigan comes down with a case of good ol' cutscene stupidity. She just bloody stands there while Mhensk (or however you spell it) has the artefact slowly rising out of the floor.
"Y'know, that thing coming out of the floor looks kind of ominous. Maybe you should leap across the room and chop his hand off before it's all the way out and he starts pressing that button. I know you can do it, you just leapt like twenty meters and tore straight through a mech a few minutes ago. So how about it? No? No, I guess you're not smart enough for that. Oh look, now you get to twitch around on the floor until Jim turns up to save you. At least he doesn't waste time in destroying the Little Button of Doom."
Also, "I made you into a monster"-"You made us all into monsters" was painfully cliche. At least it wasn't as corny as "It's time to kick this revolution into overdrive" though.
To try and add dramatic tension between Raynor and Kerrigan as well as a reason for her to have a conscience despite still being leader of the zerg, which she clearly didn't have during her previous tenure as Queen of Blades.Eric the Orange said:
Corny but it makes sense.
Corny and full of retcons as I understand it.
I didn't buy HotS, but my friend was relating it as he went along.
(at least,when OpenGL wasn't crashing repeatedly)
I didn't buy HotS, but my friend was relating it as he went along.
(at least,when OpenGL wasn't crashing repeatedly)
Pretty much this. It seems obvious they are going for a "factions united against a common foe" theme, and that just wouldn't be possible with Brood War era Kerrigan running the Zerg. Before she was a bloodthirsty psychopath. Now she's a bloodthirsty psychopath with a heart of gold!The Madman said:
I'd say more a heart of Bronze... ish. She still doesn't seem to have much of a problem killing people, just now she has the good graces to feel bad about it.BloatedGuppy said:
General Warfield shall be avenged! Oh, and that Protoss lady. I guess. But dammit Kerrigan, Warfield was awesome!
She looks infested now but different and she clearly kept her mind this time, she was an evil ***** up until the ending in Wings. It's sad that she becomes kind of a monster again but you wanna know whose fault it is? Zeratul, he convinced Raynor she needed to survive and he gave her the Zerus coordinates telling her to do what she did.
I actually really liked some references, Zerus is talked about in the first Starcraft manual when they explain the Zerg's origin. It was never made clear what happened to the planet and the feral zerg thing sounds like a bit of a stretch but it makes some sense, the Duran thing didn't settle to well with me though, I was expecting to see him in his Duran identity again, this is all assuming he really was Narud(which every single clue points towards to the point of obviousness.) and is really dead(which can be doubtful.) of course.
Stukov's reappearance was really nice, just when you think they completely forgot a character.
The new units are great and the MLG was awesome by the way, expecting great things out of the balance team in these next seasons.
PS - the Slaughtering of the Protoss made absolutely no sense at ALL. She could have talked to them. -_-
I actually really liked some references, Zerus is talked about in the first Starcraft manual when they explain the Zerg's origin. It was never made clear what happened to the planet and the feral zerg thing sounds like a bit of a stretch but it makes some sense, the Duran thing didn't settle to well with me though, I was expecting to see him in his Duran identity again, this is all assuming he really was Narud(which every single clue points towards to the point of obviousness.) and is really dead(which can be doubtful.) of course.
Stukov's reappearance was really nice, just when you think they completely forgot a character.
The new units are great and the MLG was awesome by the way, expecting great things out of the balance team in these next seasons.
PS - the Slaughtering of the Protoss made absolutely no sense at ALL. She could have talked to them. -_-
It makes sense to me in most respects(in a cheesy space drama sort of way). Kerrigan basically decides to go full on back to the swarm once she learns that
as obvious as it was that he didnt. He was the only thing holding her back from trying to get revenge on mengsk, and now that he "disappears", she now has even more of a reason to get revenge. Kerrigan needed the power and an army available, and what better way to get both by going to the one thing she has complete control of, the Zerg.
For story reasons, they needed her back because they needed a Zerg leader, and I think a random brood mother would not go over well with the community. They also needed a character that could lead the swarm, but also is willing to ally with others against the "big bad"(aint that the plot of every blizzard game ever made, aside from lost vikings).
jim dies(no he doesnt)
For story reasons, they needed her back because they needed a Zerg leader, and I think a random brood mother would not go over well with the community. They also needed a character that could lead the swarm, but also is willing to ally with others against the "big bad"(aint that the plot of every blizzard game ever made, aside from lost vikings).
Regarding the slaughter of the protoss. It makes sense in context, as I do not believe that the protoss(aside from Zeratul, who seems to be the most forgiving being in all of existence) would even try to take the diplomatic approach with a being who now commands the race that killed most of their people, and corrupted their Home world. They were going to send a fleet of ships to kill you(, and since the diplomatic approach was impossible, the only way was to silence them. Grim, yes. An unfortunate necessity however.Auron said:
That line actually made me physically cringe the first time I heard it.Zhukov said:
But the entire plot in SC2 is pretty terrible anyway until now. The last Blizzard game I enjoyed for the story was Wacraft III and that was...10 years ago? They seem to have lost their more capable writers or something. The missions are very well made though. I hope that, at some point in the future when RTS games become popular again (if it happens), people will take some lessons from Blizzard in mission design.
i dont know how to do spoiler clicks but since this is a spoiler thread if you dont like it gtfo lol
First off the reason kerrigan was dark in the first place is she was a altered being of the overmind, able to have her own will but not free of Amons influence (not the anti bender) her being purged of i dunno 99.9 % of her zerg genome meant she was no longer vulnerable to amon, couldnt be sucked up like a straw and absorbed by the dark one.
Her seemingly returning to the same physical form is false since her form is a Primal zerg note the difference, theres no psionic weakness in built into the genetic structure not only is she stronger but she can fully resist amon (we will see about that) my misses calls zerratul the bad guy of the series because he told kerrigan about zerus which made her change to a primal zerg leader after she learns of jims supposed death. now in game if you talk to everyone the new adaptations and the genetic structure of the primal zerg is beyond abathurs comprehension keep in mind the zerg we know and love/hate are still the same strand they have the psionic weakness which is how kerrigan controls them, so maybe her becoming a primal zerg means that she can maintain control over her forces and not basicly deliver a army right into the waiting hands of amon who is a for a lack of a better word Psionic God
also bit of a future bet, i reckon end fight against amon (if this isnt all a lead up to an mmo like wc3FT was) is going to be all 3 races all 3 leaders and after amon is about to kill everyone the real xel naga show up and slaughter amon then kerrigan gets turned into a human again via the artifact if it wasnt destroyed in mengsks office
also about zerratul anyone notice how he just pops up out the middle of nowhere and the thing he says about zerus is "The Xel'Naga wish you restored as the leader of the swarm" How the hell would he know that unless he met the xel naga, and in WoL the prophecy doesnt state in any way that she must return to a zerg like state
as for his situation with his people and him facing justice i bet itll be like the mass effect 3 opening (dont hate we know already) where hes on trial and all of a sudden oh shit theres a naughty xel naga up there killing us what are we going to do?! send zerratul at them thatll work
First off the reason kerrigan was dark in the first place is she was a altered being of the overmind, able to have her own will but not free of Amons influence (not the anti bender) her being purged of i dunno 99.9 % of her zerg genome meant she was no longer vulnerable to amon, couldnt be sucked up like a straw and absorbed by the dark one.
Her seemingly returning to the same physical form is false since her form is a Primal zerg note the difference, theres no psionic weakness in built into the genetic structure not only is she stronger but she can fully resist amon (we will see about that) my misses calls zerratul the bad guy of the series because he told kerrigan about zerus which made her change to a primal zerg leader after she learns of jims supposed death. now in game if you talk to everyone the new adaptations and the genetic structure of the primal zerg is beyond abathurs comprehension keep in mind the zerg we know and love/hate are still the same strand they have the psionic weakness which is how kerrigan controls them, so maybe her becoming a primal zerg means that she can maintain control over her forces and not basicly deliver a army right into the waiting hands of amon who is a for a lack of a better word Psionic God
also bit of a future bet, i reckon end fight against amon (if this isnt all a lead up to an mmo like wc3FT was) is going to be all 3 races all 3 leaders and after amon is about to kill everyone the real xel naga show up and slaughter amon then kerrigan gets turned into a human again via the artifact if it wasnt destroyed in mengsks office
also about zerratul anyone notice how he just pops up out the middle of nowhere and the thing he says about zerus is "The Xel'Naga wish you restored as the leader of the swarm" How the hell would he know that unless he met the xel naga, and in WoL the prophecy doesnt state in any way that she must return to a zerg like state
as for his situation with his people and him facing justice i bet itll be like the mass effect 3 opening (dont hate we know already) where hes on trial and all of a sudden oh shit theres a naughty xel naga up there killing us what are we going to do?! send zerratul at them thatll work