Expect that line to come up at least once in Human Revolution. Oh, by the way, welcome to the Escapist! Judging by your first post, you'll fit right in.
OT: I'm cautiously optimistic. The high-minded philosophical malarkey of the first game will definitely be present, so DX fanboys can't complain about it being unfaithful or a knock-off. The art design seems pretty slick (I know it's all pre-rendered, but it's not like the look will change hugely in its transition to normal gameplay), and it's a sequel to a game I'm rather fond of. I doubt they'll go too far wrong.
So I'm kind of ambivalent about this. I'll tell you why;
For the good; It's a new Deus Ex! WOO! Indeed DE1 was truely the best. There have been emulations of the game since, but few have done it so right as the original itself. The creators of the game will surely be looking at what made DE1 work so well and Invisible War flop (in comparson) so badly. Here's a chance to do something amazing again. I will, of course, wait to see that happen before I throw the balloons about.
The bad; I'm a HUGE fan of cyberpunk, and a comic book writer/artist. My lifes work is about the advent of a dystopian cyberpunk age. When everything concerning cybertechnology is new, fresh, and hotly controversial. I should be elated that there's new cyberpunk media coming, but when I saw that glass start to splinter in the grip of that artificial hand, I knew there were related themes that I myself wanted to get into. It's not going to stop me, of course. But now I have competition (more so than before).
I just hope when I finally release my works, that no one tries pointing to other cyberpunk work, and go, "duh, they did it first!" -_- My response being, they had the resources and skill to do it first.
Ah, Deus Ex. The best game I've ever argued politics with a bartender for five minutes in.
From the trailer it looks like they're taking it to the next notch and switching out the political undertones with philosophical undertones. Or maybe it's just some smart-sounding pseudo-philosophical crap. Who knows?
You're pretty sharp to catch that. Not just that there are undertones (as that's obvious), but that there will likely be a swap of the brand undertones we see. I suspect that the RP element you deal with will deal with the philosophical ramifications of undergoing such modifications. Political, religious, fears and hopes. I know this because that's exactly what I'm doing with MY story! Curse you DE3. Curse your awesomeness.
Anyway I think the augmentations are primitive enough to fit in the timeline, I mean Jensen (if that was Jensen in the trailer) definitely comes off as more machine than man in the trailer, like Gunther Hermann and Anna Navarre were in the first game, although he doesn't have their pallid skin tone.
No, being made for Xbox360 and PS3, that said .. DE1 was ported to the PS2 and saw quite a success there ... so the DE formula could work over consoles .. and no they aren't going to dump the PC version in favor of the console one .. as in DE1 case each one will probably have it's own design specifics .. i.e .. different item management system, simplified HUD for consoles .. etc etc.
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Lazarus Long said:
Until they show some gameplay, my excitement will be inversely proportional to how much Square was involved in the development.
EDIT: Also, will our scruffy protagonist have a skul-gun?
Fact is it is being made by Eidos Montreal 100%, Sqaure Enix is involved in the making of this CG teaser as mentioned on Eidos latest Q&A (and all the DE3 FMV trailers for the matter)
That's Square Enix FMV-making abilities serving Eidos greatly here (they are also responsible for the previous DE3 augmented Baby/Fetus teaser)
Also, watch some deep analysis here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ-388aRwSw
And to see gameplay we will have to wait for E3, but for now to get even more hyped for DE3 (like i'm now) read the full FAQ here .. some awesome detailed info/stuff in it.
They are probably from early alpha/beta but they look fine for now until we see the E3 version ... hope they make it as close as possible to the look and feel of Square's FMV .. but all in all DE was never about the graphics to begin with.
Part of me wants to preorder this right now but a larger part of me is very pessimistic. Points against it:
-Regenerating health (go suck your thumb)
-Cover system (in a corner)
-No darkness based stealth
-Being developed for console (solution: a separate team devs the console version; they are gagged and bound during meetings with the main team)
-Impossibly high standards from the first game + my nostalgia
-The health won't regenerate CoD style .. it will have a system that governs how fast you Regen and when it happens ... that fits with Deus Ex very well .. and being a futuristic game it makes more sense to have some Aug tech for healing, and Medi-packs in general is an archaic system that involves lots of back-tracking and stupid die-die situations (when you run out of medi-packs)
-You don't have to use cover system if you don't want to .. but it is a great and logical addition if you want to use stealth effectively.
-And while i agree there should be darkness/shadow based stealth (being a big fan of Thief) .. they said in the Faqs that it ain't the primary stealth element (could it be secondary) but line-of-sight and sound are the primary stealth elements.
-DE1 was made for PS2 and it worked very well, they can use that as a blue print for the upcoming console versions of DE3.
-The first game while being the classic it was wasn't flawless .. it had problems and shortcomings .. it isn't as prefect as your nostalgic memories make it seem .. so don't let that stop you from getting hyped for DE3 (like i'm now) ^_^
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Axolotl said:
It doesn't look like Deus Ex.
Don't get me wrong I love the Renaissance and I find Transhumanism facinating but it's not Deus Ex at all.
You sire aren't making any sense at all, it's got Cyberpunk (series trade mark style) plus a bit of Renaissance style mixed in (which fits perfectly with the game themes and story since it is a prequel to the events in DE1 and apparently the world faces a global crisis that changes lots of things before DE1) ... and all that is being supervised by the story writers from DE1 and DE2 .. how is that in any way not DE !!!?
It actually screams "Deus Ex" and there is no reason at all to think otherwise IMO.
You sire aren't making any sense at all, it's got Cyberpunk (series trade mark style) plus a bit of Renaissance style mixed in (which fits perfectly with the game themes and story since it is a prequel to the events in DE1 and apparently the world faces a global crisis that changes lots of things before DE1) ... and all that is being supervised by the story writers from DE1 and DE2 .. how is that in any way not DE !!!?
It actually screams "Deus Ex" and there is no reason at all to think otherwise IMO.
Where's the Cyberpunk? I've seen plenty of screnshots and read up on the game and I've seen no evidence of any Cyberpunk aesthetics, it's all generic futuristic blandness. That video for the very little it shows doesn't show anything with a cyberpunk style. Hell most of it is a homage of a painting and the Icarus myth. Renaissance style is pretty far divorced from Deus Ex's themes, it's about as far as you can get from Cyberpunk.
And hat's just from that trailer, all theother things I've seen have convinced me the Dev's have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
You sire aren't making any sense at all, it's got Cyberpunk (series trade mark style) plus a bit of Renaissance style mixed in (which fits perfectly with the game themes and story since it is a prequel to the events in DE1 and apparently the world faces a global crisis that changes lots of things before DE1) ... and all that is being supervised by the story writers from DE1 and DE2 .. how is that in any way not DE !!!?
It actually screams "Deus Ex" and there is no reason at all to think otherwise IMO.
Where's the Cyberpunk? I've seen plenty of screnshots and read up on the game and I've seen no evidence of any Cyberpunk aesthetics, it's all generic futuristic blandness. That video for the very little it shows doesn't show anything with a cyberpunk style. Hell most of it is a homage of a painting and the Icarus myth. Renaissance style is pretty far divorced from Deus Ex's themes, it's about as far as you can get from Cyberpunk.
And hat's just from that trailer, all theother things I've seen have convinced me the Dev's have absolutely no idea what they're doing.
I don't care about your definition of Cyber punk which seems to be very generic and narrow, this is definitely Cyber Punk for me (for more Cyber Punk references check Ghost in the shell and Akira), and you also don't seem to know anything about Deus Ex story cause you would have understood the reference to Icarus is strongly linked to the previous games, and is also a nudge to the fans and an integral part of the theme of the new game (humans seeking more power and altering their bodies for it and thus approaching a danger zone where they will end up destroying themselves) .. also if you aren't eager to see what impact the advent/Renaissance of augmentations had on the world and how things ended up being the way they are in DE1 then pardon me you know nothing about DE.
About Icarus in Deus Ex ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_Deus_Ex_characters
Icarus in Deus Ex, is an AI that was created by Bob Page (head of Majestic 12) as a replacement for Daedalus, which had escaped from his control, and has similar functions to its predecessor. Icarus is one of the game's antagonists; it is used by MJ-12 to track the movements and activities of the main character, JC Denton, Icarus eventually merges with Daedalus (another AI) and becomes Helios, and in turn chooses to merge with JC as its biological part instead of its maker Bob to form a new existence
Also what Icarus thoughts
"That history is evidence that humanity will inevitably destroy itself if left on its own" which in turn reflects directly upon the Icarus myth.
Which makes me wonder if you even played DE or understood it's story .. Icarus theme runs very strong through the game already .. and its appearance in DE3 is a welcome sign they know what they are doing very well .. and you sir don't know anything whatsoever.
As for gameplay .. i read the Eidos FAQ and every bit they tackled shows clearly they are going in the right direction making DE3 a worthy successor to DE1 (not straying too far away and not copying DE1 like blind idiots)
Actually if you read the Eidos FAQ it clearly mentions that, they noticed DE2 already got too futuristic to be cyberpunk ... that's why they decided to go back to the time before D1 (which saw a Renaissance .. that being the advent of human augmentations and its impact on the society), any faithful DE fan will know this is a big point in the world of DE history ... and packs tons of potential not to mention ties with DE1 story as well (which means Anna and Gunther are probably going to show up along with others)
Actually if you read the Eidos FAQ it clearly mentions that, they noticed DE2 already got too futuristic to be cyberpunk ... that's why they decided to go back to the time before D1 (which saw a Renaissance .. that being the advent of human augmentations and its impact on the society), any faithful DE fan will know this is a big point in the world of DE history ... and packs tons of potential not to mention ties with DE1 story as well (which means Anna and Gunther are probably going to show up along with others)
I shouldn't complain, tbh. I haven't played -any- Deus Ex. I keep looking the original over at Steam, but it's old and I have grown to hate blocky polygons . . I couldn't even finish Dark Athena.
I'm a fan of cyberpunk fiction and conspiracy games, though. DX3 might be my first Square Enix purchase, ever.
Dont worry Square Enixs involvement limited to teh cutscenes and tbh thats what they excel at. Eidos montreal in charge of shit. I for one have not wanted a game as badly based on its predecessors since FF8, GTA4 and MGS2. <====== bad examples but still hand on heart i will own this game release day
Btw somebody please post the motivational DX poster, you know the one i mean.
Dont worry Square Enixs involvement limited to teh cutscenes and tbh thats what they excel at. Eidos montreal in charge of shit. I for one have not wanted a game as badly based on its predecessors since FF8, GTA4 and MGS2. <====== bad examples but still hand on heart i will own this game release day
Btw somebody please post the motivational DX poster, you know the one i mean.
Nah the moneys in muti-platform these days. Anyway given that DE worked out well on the PS2 ill give Eidos the benefit of the doubt for the time being. As teh poster I guss ill do it myself.
I didn't give a definition of Cyber punkl and also saying what I consider Cyberpunk to be generic makes no sense considering what I wrote. If you're going to insult me at least makes your insults line up with what I'm saying.
this is definitely Cyber Punk for me (for more Cyber Punk references check Ghost in the shell and Akira),
and you also don't seem to know anything about Deus Ex story cause you would have understood the reference to Icarus is strongly linked to the previous games,
No, Deus Ex 1 had a computer named Icarus that was it. That doesn't mean the prequel should contain visions of people flying into the sun.
and is also a nudge to the fans and an integral part of the theme of the new game (humans seeking more power and altering their bodies for it and thus approaching a danger zone where they will end up destroying themselves)
Which is a stupid theme because it's a prequel and we know that Transhumanism doesn't destroy the world. I have no problem with the whole H+ theme but it isn't relavent to Deus Ex.
[/quote].. also if you aren't eager to see what impact the advent/Renaissance of augmentations had on the world and how things ended up being the way they are in DE1 then pardon me you know nothing about DE.[/quote]But I know what impact they had, you why? Because I played Deus Ex 1! And why does not wanting to see the franchise ground into the dirt mean that I don't know anything about Deus Ex?
Which makes me wonder if you even played DE or understood it's story
Again with the meaningless insults. What does this add to your post post? Making petty attacks doesn't improve the validity of your arguements and certainly doesn't make me more likely to agree with you.
As for gameplay .. i read the Eidos FAQ and every bit they tackled shows clearly they are going in the right direction making DE3 a worthy successor to DE1 (not straying too far away and not copying DE1 like blind idiots)
How exactly? They stated they're going from simulationist to cinematic. RPG elements are replaced with what I can only describe as Fighting Game elements. And one of the best gameplay systes I've ever seen in an RPG is replaced with Rainbow Six Vegas.
I didn't give a definition of Cyber punkl and also saying what I consider Cyberpunk to be generic makes no sense considering what I wrote. If you're going to insult me at least makes your insults line up with what I'm saying.
It's very obvious that you consider the look of DE1 to be the measure to which you based you judgment on DE3 before even we saw much of it (i doubt you even checked the FAQ or the many concept art pieces available), well .. fact is ... while DE1 indeed was cyber punk-ish is looked like garbage and it's presentation was weak .. it ain't the measure for what cyber punk is nor is it the best example by far.
Yes, specially Ghost in the Shell:Stand Alone Complex two Series, that's top notch Cyber Punk material with unparalleled art direction and high production values.
Which is a stupid theme because it's a prequel and we know that Transhumanism doesn't destroy the world. I have no problem with the whole H+ theme but it isn't relavent to Deus Ex.
Lols, a prequel that leads to the events in DE1, how is that stupid and how is it not related !!! Normal Humans Vs Augmented Humans carry very strong parallels to the Old-Augmentations Vs Nano-machines !!!?, besides .. you seem to miss the meaning of "THEME" completely .. that theme was in DE1 as well as DE2 ... not the main theme but it was indeed there and is part of DE subject matters.
Also we don't know what happened before D1, and "humans destroying themselves" doesn't necessarily mean the entire world is being entirely destroyed (ever heard about "metaphorical", that could be a destruction on the sociological level or the destruction of moral codes .. besides the physical type of destruction), don't forget we had the gray death at the beginning of DE1 as well, and who knows what happened before that too.
Besides, you aren't the one who decides what's relevant to DE story what isn't, the orginal writers are working on DE3 as consultants, they know better than you will ever what fits with "THEIR" story.
But I know what impact they had, you why? Because I played Deus Ex 1! And why does not wanting to see the franchise ground into the dirt mean that I don't know anything about Deus Ex?
Do you know how silly this sounds, it's like saying i studied the Industrial revolution only so i by default know the impact of the Renaissance because it predates the Industrial revolution, nnt making any sense to me ... you have to live the events that predates DE1 to understand their impact ... it's about things before the events in DE3 --compared to--> the events after DE3 .. and we know nothing of the first yet ... who, why and how mechanical augmentations came to be and what impact did they have on the society AT THAT TIME .. this is something not mentioned in DE1.
If I didn't play DE I wouldn't be complaining about DE3 not staying true t it would I? Think before you post.
Then you definitely didn't understand anything about it, also .. you do realize that question was rhetorical, don't you.
How exactly? They stated they're going from simulationist to cinematic. RPG elements are replaced with what I can only describe as Fighting Game elements. And one of the best gameplay systes I've ever seen in an RPG is replaced with Rainbow Six Vegas.
What RPG elements are being replaces, where are you getting your info from ... McDonald's !!!, almost all the RPG elements from DE1 is there, the Experience points (back after being removed from DE2), the multiple NPC interactions, the specializations (Back from DE1), the Augmentations, the Tetris-like item storage ... etc etc ... i really don't know why are you attacking the game before you even know anything about it.
And yes, they are improving the combat, it was evidently very clunky and extremely outdated in DE1 ... improving it will enhance the overall experience, they stated clearly they won't imitate any modern shooters and they know they want to keep the pacing and combat a confined slower paced experience compared to other shooters and also embrace stealth options more effectively .. an optional cover system and stealth kills (instead of patheticly poking guards in their feet with a knife from behind and looking like an idiot -even if you can't see yourself you know it- it isn't realistic at all or immersive) are only some of the aspects .. besides the stealth based augmentations and specialization.
Fact is after thoroughly reading the DE3 FAQ you did sound to me like you are whining without any knowledge on the subject, and that's why i'm being slightly aggregated, sorry if i sounded rude.
It's very obvious that you consider the look of DE1 to be the measure to which you based you judgment on DE3 before even we saw much of it (i doubt you even checked the FAQ or the many concept art pieces available), well .. fact is ... while DE1 indeed was cyber punk-ish is looked like garbage and it's presentation was weak .. it ain't the measure for what cyber punk is nor is it the best example by far.
I don't consider Deus Ex 1 the definition of Cyberpunk, if Ihad to defie Cyberpunk with a single work I would go with Blade Runner. And by the way,I have looked at plenty of DE3 screenshots.
Yes, specially Ghost in the Shell:Stand Alone Complex two Series, that's top notch Cyber Punk material with unparalleled art direction and high production values.
Which is a stupid theme because it's a prequel and we know that Transhumanism doesn't destroy the world. I have no problem with the whole H+ theme but it isn't relavent to Deus Ex.
It's stupid because we know the outcome. Any debate the game presents on wether cybernetic augmentation or transhumanism in general leads to the ascension or destruction of civilisation is rendered moot because we know that within the contaxt of the game world it does neither.
Because Deus Ex doesn't have any H+ themes or debate in it. f I misssed any part of the game please point it out to me but in Deus Ex 1 augmentation is just considered a normal part of life.
Normal Humans Vs Augmented Humans carry very strong parallels to the Old-Augmentations Vs Nano-machines !!!?,
But that's not a theme in Deus Ex 1. There a few minor comments by Page on how the old mechs are outdated but it's nowhere near a major part of the game. Hell it's not even a noteworthy part of the game.
besides .. you seem to miss the meaning of "THEME" completely .. that theme was in DE1 as well as DE2 ... not the main theme but it was indeed there and is part of DE subject matters.
I'm getting my information from a PC Gamer article where the developers of DE3 talk about the game. The state that they're removing the RPG style skill system.
i really don't know why are you attacking the game before you even know anything about it.
I'll respond to this witha direct quote from the lead designer of DE3
"We want to remove the RPG aspect of the fighting and make it more straightforward, like you see in games like Rainbow Six."
He then goes on to provide examples of what they're taking from Rainbow Six Vegas.
Fact is after thoroughly reading the DE3 FAQ you did sound to me like you are whining without any knowledge on the subject, and that's why i'm being slightly aggregated, sorry if i sounded rude.
This trailer doesn't give me a Deus Ex feel... at all. Of course it's just a cutscene, so I'll reserve most my comments. However the fact that he pulls out a wrist blade instead of a gun kind of frightens me; I'm not sure if it says something about the new combat, or just about Square trying to make cutscenes seem cool (and failing).
After everything I've heard about the game though, this doesn't seem to be a Deus Ex game, so much as simply bearing the Deus Ex name.
Actually the word I heard from them was they were developing it for the PC and console versions might be a possibility - they definitely didn't give the impression it was going to be multi-platform from the get go.
I can't really see what the people complaining that the augmentations look too 'advanced' are talking about, that's pretty much exactly what the mechanically augmented agents in Deus Ex would have looked like if the graphic technology was available back then. The point was mechanical augmentations themselves were primitive and obvious compared to nano-augmentation or physio-pharmaceutical augmentation, not that the mechanical parts themselves should appear 'primitive'. That would just be silly.
No, being made for Xbox360 and PS3, that said .. DE1 was ported to the PS2 and saw quite a success there ... so the DE formula could work over consoles .. and no they aren't going to dump the PC version in favor of the console one ..
But you forget that the PS2 version was somewhat dumbed down. For example in the PC version, there was real key input for passwords. Sometimes they can be cracked through detective work. It can be a phrase relevant to the username or location, such as JC Denton's email password being bionicman and the Hong Kong Police station's combination being 911. It can be finding a pattern such as discovering that two computers in a building have the same password, implying that it would be the same story when you encounter a third computer. It can be guess work such as discovering all but the final digit of someone's ATM pin number, leaving you to try the last digit one by one.
On the PS2, there was no key input since entering them in would have been a hassle for a controller. So there was no guess work involved. You just HAD to find the right datapad or pay some asshole to cough up the passwords. That was the same system used in Invisible War which was designed with the Xbox in mind and many fans hated it.
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Not just that there are undertones (as that's obvious), but that there will likely be a swap of the brand undertones we see. 
