Why is it that recently all the companies are playing 'who can piss their customers off more' game? I'm looking at you Id!
Stalker 2 has... Draconian DRM.
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You see, the only real problem with DRM is that it only ever hurts the legitimate consumer. All strict DRM does to pirates is make it take them longer to crack the game. Once they've cracked the game, say by creating a patch with all the over-the-internet data, the DRM does nothing to them, and continues to hassle the legitimate consumer. Consider if the game's servers went down. No legitimate consumer would be able to play the game, but the pirates would be able to just fine! So, in reality, DRM does nothing for its intended purpose: stopping pirates.
Valve doesn't have always-on DRM.veloper said:
EA have nothing to do with Stalker 2.henritje said:
Because of course, your ISP will never perform maintenance, nothing will ever go wrong with your connection, and the game's servers will never, ever go down. No sir, none of that will ever fucking happen or affect anyone with a decent connection.Clive Howlitzer said:
Well that's true. Valve's DRM is much more benign than what GSC is trying to pull here.Woodsey said:
Since we'd need a good online connection to play STALKER2 anyway, GSC should simply let Valve distribute the game through Steam.
Saves them a bunch of game servers. Saves the consumer alot of hassle and uncertainty. Lower investment and more sales.
You know, I was about to come here and say "oh boo hoo, some little DRM that you won't even notice." And well, sorry for that. I agree with this, permanent internet access crosses the line.Continuity said:
I wasnt planning on getting stalker 2 anyway but after hearing this Im sure I wont. I oppose all kinds of DRM on pure principle. Inconveniencing your customers for any reason is never a good business model and should not be tolerated by consumers.
Of course the kicker is it will only be a few hours to a full day before dedicated pirates have the thing cracked
Of course the kicker is it will only be a few hours to a full day before dedicated pirates have the thing cracked
Even though the "Always online" DRM doesn't affect me as my ISP is stable, I still think it's stupid. All DRM does, especially this kind, is force honest customers jump through hoops to prove they're honest, while pirates don't have to do anything.
Take a page from CD Projekt Red. They don't use DRM, and they're doing very well for themselves.
Also, anyone who says "They're just protecting their ip", Ubisoft put always online DRM on Assassins Creed 2 and it got cracked. It was a better version because you didn't have the stupid always online condition. http://www.geekosystem.com/assassins-creed-2-drm-crack-ubisoft/
Take a page from CD Projekt Red. They don't use DRM, and they're doing very well for themselves.
Also, anyone who says "They're just protecting their ip", Ubisoft put always online DRM on Assassins Creed 2 and it got cracked. It was a better version because you didn't have the stupid always online condition. http://www.geekosystem.com/assassins-creed-2-drm-crack-ubisoft/
Well I hope the game sells well on consoles because it's not likely to on the PC anymore with stuff like this. I don't buy Ubisoft titles that have always-on DRM for this exact reason, which is a shame because I heard the newest Settlers game was good, I wont be picking up STALKER 2.
Pity, huge fan of the series. Would have been an almost guaranteed purchase from me otherwise. Now... we'll see.
Pity, huge fan of the series. Would have been an almost guaranteed purchase from me otherwise. Now... we'll see.
I know, and I oppose those too. However, we are obviously of differing opinions as I consider this much more restrictive then the "pay $10 to unlock online" and limited installs methods. Yes, those two are incredibly annoying and stupid, but you can still at least play the game whenever you want to. You're not at the mercy of your ISP and a game company's servers.plugav said:
The original thread title was something like "STALKER 2 Cancelled" before the OP changed it due to people saying it was misleading.Treblaine said:
This is a really good point. The quality of internet services and infrastructure is widely inconsistent around the world. For such a connected (lol) age we live in, the majority of people sure do enjoy spotty internets [sic].zehydra said:
Pretty much this. This is ridiculous beyond words, to be honest. I really wish the industry would find some other way to fight piracy. I dunno, maybe by lowering the price of games a bit or actually putting out content we'll be willing to pay for, instead of an upteenth shit sequel.yayforgiveaway said:
I know I'm floundering here, I'm sure someone else can remind me of the several tastier alternatives to DRM.
Oh lovely. I'm willing to bet they have NO IDEA how much long term damage they did to themselves just now. This will damage them FAR more than piracy. The thing about piracy is that the large majority of people who do pirate, wouldn't buy the game at all if it weren't for the option to pirate. Basically all the majority of pirates are doing is giving free publicity to the games they pirated.
HAWX 2 would like a word with you, it was one of the few games which to this day is not successfully cracked for the PC.
Before that, Porn Games managed to defend itself against pirates (at least over here).
Before that, Porn Games managed to defend itself against pirates (at least over here).
I've purchased every STALKER game physical retail from the beginning on Day 1(even after they forgot to supply Canadian retailers with CoP and I had to order it from the US), with this new version I'm going to wait and see.
I may buy this but it'll be well after it's been released and dumped in the bargain bin. This'll mean that GSC will only get $0.10 profit instead of the $10 (or whatever it is) for a day 1 sale. Hopefully by then it'll have been fixed (since it's the mods that do that not the official patches) as well as the DRM bull shit as well.
And for the record, I have yet to complete vanilla Clear Sky since it's always crashed at some point and corrupted 1/2 the game for me. I bought it even though I knew it was dumped out the door half baked and without any decent QA testing
I may buy this but it'll be well after it's been released and dumped in the bargain bin. This'll mean that GSC will only get $0.10 profit instead of the $10 (or whatever it is) for a day 1 sale. Hopefully by then it'll have been fixed (since it's the mods that do that not the official patches) as well as the DRM bull shit as well.
And for the record, I have yet to complete vanilla Clear Sky since it's always crashed at some point and corrupted 1/2 the game for me. I bought it even though I knew it was dumped out the door half baked and without any decent QA testing
I'm a big fan of STALKER. That being said, they can go fuck themselves. I'm not buying this. When I buy a game, I want to be able to play it on my own terms. Constant internet connection opposes that freedom. When you want to take that freedom away from me, you should no longer consider me your customer. It's that simple. There are other games I can play. Also, part of the content will be stored on their servers? Screw that! When I buy games I expect them to have all the content that I payed for. These guys are crossing the line even further than Ubisoft. As an honest customer all I can say is that I won't allow them to treat me like a criminal.
That's because no one cared enough to crack it.gyrobot said:
