Star Citizen Creator: You Can't Do That On Consoles

[Valok]

Haters gonna hate the glorious master race.

BUT NAY, THEIR HATE IS IN VAIN FOR WE HAVE THE SPACE. WE HAVE ALL THE SPACE. AND YOU DO NOT HAVE THE SPACE.

2 years from now. Let there be space.

(Looks up to side) "daddy. When do we get to go into space?"
"soon son, soon. When the pretentious PC gaming crowd finally realizes that you can have good quality space flight on a console."
"when will that be"
"I wish I could tell you, but first it requires them getting their heads out of the own asses"

Please, name a few for me? I am generally interested in these quality space games that stack up against Freelancer, X3, and the like.

Ever heard of Evochron Mercenary? This game will keep me busy on the months to come (Available on Steam)


And before you ask, yes, you can go down on planets to take a look, lol. The game is pretty sick IMO.

That game does look rather nifty! Question though, it shows a cycle through a couple of capital ships near the beginning of the vid, do you pilot those or own them in some way?

If you can use the capitals I will jump straight to steam and buy this, I luuuv capital ship combat!

Unfortunatly no, it's pretty much like X3 (The world is open for you to do whatever you want - and it's a really, really big one mind you) however you can't control capital ships (There are ofc combat missions with CS shooting each other ^^). The game is more about you and a squad of fighters (if you choose to buy and command one) on the universe.

The multiplayer part is also very interesting, I would recommend to check it out.

Also, I just heard that there is a expansion that's about to be release. Upgraded graphics, terrestrial combat and other stuff o.o.

 

[Twilight_guy]

PC elitist and graphics whore developer makes comment about superiority of PCs and how great his game will be. Here's me not caring...

 

[TotalerKrieger]

You know if ya go to a PC gaming forum and politely point out that someone else's HP/Acer/Dell/Gateway/etc setup is too outdated to play bleeding edge games, the second person rarely gets defensive at all...it's just an accepted fact and both parties move on unoffended by one another.

Politey point out that the Xbox 360 & PS3 are becoming outdated hardware setups and you will be called out as some sort of elitist prick. Microsoft and Sony have some serious brand loyalty going on. The innards of a console are largely the same as a PC, slapping MS or Sony on the exterior doesn't transform it into anything special that should be kept around for decades. Console gamers who oppose progress simply because they do not want to pay for a new console have a legit argument, but they shouldn't get all huffy when a small handful(!) of devs stop catering to machines that restrict their their creative vision.

Anyways, from what I've seen so far Star Citizen looks f-ing awesome!!!!!!

 

[octafish]

A lot of people seem to forget that most of the dev time in fancy pants graphics for consoles is tied up in optimisation. If Crysis and Metro have taught us nothing else it is relying on brute power on the part of the end user helps small dev teams get stuff done cheaply. Anyway my phone has more RAM than a current console, RAM starvation is holding back game development.

 

[TotalerKrieger]

You know if ya go to a PC gaming forum and politely point out that someone else's HP/Acer/Dell/Gateway/etc setup is too outdated to play bleeding edge games, the second person rarely gets defensive at all...it's just an accepted fact and both parties move on unoffended by one another.

Politey point out that the Xbox 360 & PS3 are becoming outdated hardware setups and you will be called out as some sort of elitist prick. Microsoft and Sony have some serious brand loyalty going on. The innards of a console are largely the same as a PC, slapping MS or Sony on the exterior doesn't transform it into anything special that should be kept around for decades. Console gamers who oppose progress simply because they do not want to pay for a new console have a legit argument, but they shouldn't get all huffy when a small handful(!) of devs stop catering to machines that restrict their their creative vision.

Anyways, from what I've seen so far Star Citizen looks f-ing awesome!!!!!!

Problem is, most people don't ask politely. They TELL you that PC is how gaming is supposed to be played, and that consoles are for "Corporate schills that couldn't make a decent rig".

If a PC gamer refers to console gamers as "corporate schills that couldn't make a decent rig", sure lay into them...I'll help!

I was more referring to the language that Chris Roberts used and some of the reaction here. I don't really see how anyone could be offended by his comments.

 

[tmande2nd]

I love watching all the butthurt some console gamers feel whenever someone says something mean about their beloved consoles.

 

[RandV80]

You know if ya go to a PC gaming forum and politely point out that someone else's HP/Acer/Dell/Gateway/etc setup is too outdated to play bleeding edge games, the second person rarely gets defensive at all...it's just an accepted fact and both parties move on unoffended by one another.

Politey point out that the Xbox 360 & PS3 are becoming outdated hardware setups and you will be called out as some sort of elitist prick. Microsoft and Sony have some serious brand loyalty going on. The innards of a console are largely the same as a PC, slapping MS or Sony on the exterior doesn't transform it into anything special that should be kept around for decades. Console gamers who oppose progress simply because they do not want to pay for a new console have a legit argument, but they shouldn't get all huffy when a small handful(!) of devs stop catering to machines that restrict their their creative vision.

Anyways, from what I've seen so far Star Citizen looks f-ing awesome!!!!!!

Problem is, most people don't ask politely. They TELL you that PC is how gaming is supposed to be played, and that consoles are for "Corporate schills that couldn't make a decent rig".

If a PC gamer refers to console gamers as "corporate schills that couldn't make a decent rig", sure lay into them...I'll help!

I was more referring to the language that Chris Roberts used and some of the reaction here. I don't really see how anyone could be offended by his comments.

Yeah I don't know, maybe it's different on other gaming sites but whenever something like this comes up there always seems to be a lot of straw man'ing coming from the aggrieved console gamer. Seems like all it takes is maybe 1 PC gamer in 10 to trash on console gaming and that sets the stage for the entire console vs PC argument.

 

[RandV80]

Durr PC gaming is deaduuuh...
Regardless, I'm the kind of gamer who doesn't care too much for graphics. System Shock 2 is still one of my all time favorites and that game was ugly as sin when it was released.
Now, the physics-aspects of this are more interesting if they actually affect gameplay in novel and important ways. But if it's primarily about graphics, then I don't really give a toss, despite how great this indeed looks (assuming that's ingame graphics).

In a more extensive video where he goes up on stage for an hour to talk about and demo the game you get to see some more novel uses for physics. In particular with the marquee single man space fighter he shows off the thruster system, which controls the ships maneuverability in realtime coordination with player control input using 100% real physics. This consumes energy, so in game it opens up for tactical decisions to increase power between weapons/shields/thrusters/etc, with realistic consequences on your ships performance. Additional taking damage to the ship that drops the output will have a real time effect on things like your maneuverability. If you switch to a 3rd person view you'll see the thrusters sputtering along if there damaged, and back in the cockpit will experience the consequences with reduced maneuverability.

Now I don't think anything was said about pin point damage to your ship. For example if a shot slips throw your shields and hits a thruster mechanism will you no longer be able to move in that direction? That remains to be seen.

 

[Baresark]

I can't wait for star citizen... but I do not at all appreciate the MMO qualities of what he wants to do. I don't know why people think this is the only way games can be. I know there is a SP campaign (Squad 42), but maybe I want to fly around as a trader and not worry about other actual people. But the cheapest AI there is, is the guy who is bored and just wants to blow shit up for the hell of it.

 

[Draconalis]

Don't care what the article about.... video... so... pretty.

Daddy wants.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I can't wait for star citizen... but I do not at all appreciate the MMO qualities of what he wants to do. I don't know why people think this is the only way games can be. I know there is a SP campaign (Squad 42), but maybe I want to fly around as a trader and not worry about other actual people.

They're planning of releasing the server hosting software so people can run private servers Freelancer style... So if you or a mate have a beefy enough rig or a 2nd rig networked in or are willing to shell out for server hosting, you can host a private Star Citizen server and don't invite anyone.

It's what I plan to do if the official server(s) are too full of rampant fuckwittery or I start wanting to experiment with extensive modding. Might even pool resources with other like minded people.

 

[Skeleon]

*snip*

Well, that does sound very relevant to the gameplay. Impressive. I'll wait for more info on this.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

"Oh noes he is pointing out the hardware limitations of these boxes, he must be an elitist! Gasp hes talking about RAM and even though thats not graphix he must be a graphix whore!1one!"

Everyone knows RAMs are SHEEPs with pen0rz.

 

[Twilight_guy]

PC elitist and graphics whore developer makes comment about superiority of PCs and how great his game will be. Here's me not caring...

gotta love the straw men console folk throw up in this thread...

"Oh noes he is pointing out the hardware limitations of these boxes, he must be an elitist! Gasp hes talking about RAM and even though thats not graphix he must be a graphix whore!1one!"

Hell he plays the alpha of the game using a 360 controller in the first video he did, so apparently he is a PC gaming elitist...except when it comes to controls?

You're right, his using the idea that graphics are the only important aspect of a system as a primary reason for not considering them for his game is a straw man. He's intentionally only addressing the weakest aspect of consoles and beating them down based on that argument.

What's that you say? That's not what you meant. Well you're going to ignore connotation, so I'm going to do it to!

 

[Twilight_guy]

Sniped for size

You're right, let me adjust that for you.

He's a graphics and physics whore that seems to have an affinity for PC gaming since he has negative things to say about consoles and positive ones for PC.

He's still an idiot since graphics and physics mean nothing compared to the larger problem of good game design. I don't give flying fuck if the graphics and physics are a little better if the game sucks and I think that other issues are more central to game experience that the different between console and PC graphics, physics simulation, CPU speed, and memory.

Also, my first post technically only contains my opinions of the guy stated as statements and no arguments so I couldn't be making a strawman argument since I wasn't presenting any argument.