Star Wars The Forces Awakens will be dead to me if Luke is confirmed to be evil.

[Casual Shinji]

I don't understand why people care this much about a movie series. They're just a bit of fun, christ! (Sorry, J-dude if that is really that offensive to you, maybe you're not as forgiving as they would have me believe). They're a temporary distraction. Maybe the internet isn't the place for me, people get so passionate about children's/young adult fiction. Whereas currently our country are now needlessly bombing innocents abroad while taxpayers, the disabled and vulnerable at home suffer their service cuts. Perhaps this is why the staff here have seeming contempt for me, stemming from somewhere. :/

You do know that by saying that you've basically put every critic and reviewer out of a job, right?

Seriously, it's not like we're declaring war over the possibility of Luke being evil. We're just discussing the 'will they/won't they' and what our opinions on it would be. That's it. Just talkin' about movies.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The funniest thing would be if they just made jokes on Mark Hamills expense on how Star Wars ruined his career then had his character die from old age or obesity or something like that.

Hamill has actually done a lot of work trimming down for the film. He admitted that all studio and vocal work he was doing was promoting a sedentary lifestyle, and that he'd let himself go without really realizing it. Dude looks about ten years younger now.

I was gonna do a side by side but someone did it already it seems:

http://i.imgur.com/EjQi0eS.jpg

Recent pic: http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/mark-hamill1-570x297.jpg

He's older than Guinness was when he played Obi-Wan, but looks pretty good for his age.

 

[Eliam_Dar]

I agree that Kylo Ren might be Luke's original apprentice, and I think that Luke might be in hiding since its apprentice might be following the rule of two from the Sith, and like Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin, he might not want to face or kill his apprentice.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I agree that Kylo Ren might be Luke's original apprentice, and I think that Luke might be in hiding since its apprentice might be following the rule of two from the Sith, and like Obi Wan Kenobi and Anakin, he might not want to face or kill his apprentice.

This is something I wonder about. Adam Driver is presently not signed on for Episode VIII.

Bit worried we're gonna get another Maul-style one and done. I realize we have FOUR baddies in this film, so losing one is inevitable, but Kylo Ren is the coolest of the lot (barring a look at Snoke, but his name will STILL BE SNOKE).

 

[Tanis]

I'd really like to see Luke as more of a failed Jedi.

Realizing that only extremists, such as Sith & Jedi, deal in absolutes.

Thus 'abandoning' the notion of Jedi v Sith and embracing a more 'The Force' above all else.

Sort of like how most fantasy setting have black, red, white mages.
None of whom are totally 'evil' orders, just...focused in different ways.

Let's face it, the Jedi in the Old/Ancient Republic always had it coming.
Kidnapping children, purging/policing nonbelievers, etc.

Time and time again the Jedi have been a greater good that devolved into lesser of two evils.

:/

I would listen to this man about microscopic bacteria.

 

[F-I-D-O]

I'm betting on him being the person who trained Kylo Ren.
But since Luke never had formal training and just kind of guessed at how to be a jedi, he lead Kylo down the wrong path (Kylo taking Vader's story as a goal, not a warning). Because of that, Luke goes into hiding as a hermit, worried he doomed the Jedi and thinking he's unworthy of lifting the saber until [ACT 2 or EPISODE 8 PLOT DEVICE] brings him back. Possibly, he's heavily wounded after a fight with Kylo, who takes advantage of Luke not wanting to kill him.
Luke in the EU always had a wavering allegiance, and having him be a misguided mentor who lead people down the wrong path would be a more interesting way of doing that story quickly.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

I doubt he would be evil, his whole arc in the original trilogy is about how he chooses good over evil, temptation notwithstanding.

 

[WolfThomas]

Yeah the whole thing is that Luke DID turn to the Dark Side though, and does several times throughout the series. And I'm just re-watching it too, so this stuff is fresh in my mind. Buddy is always letting his emotions get the better of him, most particularly fear, petulance, and anger. He completely loses his shit in Jedi, and rides the ol' Dark Side wave to a savage victory over Vader. The thing about the force is it's fluid. You don't just "go Dark Side" and never recover. But Luke is like the poster boy for giving in to Dark Side impulses, at least until Lucas made the prequels and turned Anakin and Obi-Wan into a Star Wars rendition of Goofus and Gallant.

You're right he does let his emotions drive him at several points in the films, but I wouldn't call that going to the dark side, flirting with it maybe I don't know. I think being a true jedi is about both harnessing emotion and then having the self control to stop/refuse it. This is why the " I am a Jedi, like my father before me" moment is so pivotal. He taps into his emotions and wrecks Vader but is able to stop from finishing the job. Had he finished Vader off he'd have committed to the Dark Side.

I have this personal theory that the original jedi order when it first began did encourage love and embraced emotion, but being a jedi was about doing all that and having self control to keep from the Dark Side. But when they got into some conflict with the Sith (who can recruit much faster and easily), they needed apprentices fast, so they cut corners, they started recruiting younger and younger, started barring relationships for certains members then everyone. In time these mass-produced watered down Jedi creately the benignly fascist order of the prequels.

These Jedi started beating the Sith who had no quality control, attracting the callow, weak and cowardly, just as much as the ambitious and powerful. So the "Rule of two" was implemented. Without conflict the Jedi order slowly weakening over thousands of years, as the Sith honed their power.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

You do know that by saying that you've basically put every critic and reviewer out of a job, right?

Seriously, it's not like we're declaring war over the possibility of Luke being evil. We're just discussing the 'will they/won't they' and what our opinions on it would be. That's it. Just talkin' about movies.

My intention was never to sound as serious as it ended up appearing, i think perhaps an emotion switch during writing due to certain thought process occurred. Anyhow, sorry there. Emotional leakage, mebelieves. Back on track now after viewing some comedy.

 

[Gizmo1990]

I am holding out hope that he has a secret base where he has been training new Jedi. I like the idea of him seeing this new order rising as well as whatever the Allience has become and decided that he dosen't like either of them so he has cut himself off from both and been training new Jedi in secret. While these two galactic superpowers go at it he these few new Jedi will actually be trying to slap some sense into both.

I don't expect it to be like the EU but I really don't want Luke is in hiding because he is sacred of his powers/new empire as a storyline and I sure as hell dont' want him to have spent 30 years doing fuck all when he could have been training new Jedi.

 

[Sigmund Av Volsung]

That theory supposes that JJ Abrams won't just spend 2 hours of screentime giving the Original Trilogy tonguebaths, which is what all of the promotional material up to now has shown to be the case.

To be honest, if the movie did make Luke evil, I would be much more interested in watching it. Taking an iconic character like Luke and making him the antagonist would be very ballsy and make it much more engaging to watch.

As it stands, I'm just anticipating a long nostalgia-fest.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I'd really like to see Luke as more of a failed Jedi.

Realizing that only Sith deal in absolutes.

Thus 'abandoning' the notion of Jedi v Sith and embracing a more 'The Force' about all else.

Sort of like how most fantasy setting have black, red, white mages.
None of whom are totally 'evil' orders, just...focused in different ways.

Let's face it, the Jedi in the Old/Ancient Republic always had it coming.
Kidnapping children, purging/policing nonbelievers, etc.

Time and time again the Jedi have been a greater good that devolved into lesser of two evils.

:/

Yeah, would also be interesting to see him become a Sith to avoid being evil, but that's too much moral complexity there.

Hell, if it wasn't for the prequels, we'd not know that the Jedi were actually better, just that the people they were fighting were evil and an immediate threat.

 

[Tanis]

Yeah, would also be interesting to see him become a Sith to avoid being evil, but that's too much moral complexity there.

Hell, if it wasn't for the prequels, we'd not know that the Jedi were actually better, just that the people they were fighting were evil and an immediate threat.

I fixed my original post to make it clearer.

I'm thinking more along the lines that both the Jedi AND the Sith are the wrong way to go.
It's like choosing either the Taliban or the Crusaders.

Even if their original goals may have been good in the view, they both devolved to the point were, well..
Neither group is actually good for The Force/their cause, as a matter of history and what have you.

Even the prequels showed that the Republic wasn't really 'good' nor were the Separatists really 'bad'.
The Republic had grown so corrupt that planets could be head hostage, and INVADED, by trade groups.
The Separatists, whether they knew it or not, were being manipulated by evil to do bad things.

Then again, maybe I've exposed myself to far too much Star Wars related media.
XD

 

[Strelok]

So one of the most biggest and egregious popular theories regarding the upcoming Star Wars film is that the reason Luke Skywalker is not present in any of the marketing and trailers is because he is actually the Bad Guy. The guy with the Fancy Lightsaber.

Luke knows how to make a lightsaber, Kylo Ren does not. The broadsword uses an unstable crystal and vents out the side cause I think he couldn't get it to work right.

I just think it goes against everything about Luke when he said "Never, I'll never turn to the Dark Side, I am a Jedi like my Father before me."

Look has used force choke, on Gamorrean guards in Jabba's palace, he used force rage when Darth Vader threatened Leia. He is willful and filled with fear (Sith cave on Dagobah), runs to Bespin despite warnings he will make things worse. Never truly completed his training, often ignites his lightsaber first, which is apparently against Jedi tradition. In the role playing game he had two dark side points at the end of Return of The Jedi. Is Luke Kylo Ren... No probably not could he become/already is Kylo Ren's Sith master? Would be interesting I think. Also the most important note, he was not the chosen one, the one that brought balance to the force, Darth Vader killed the Emperor. The Emperor's visions of the future showed a Skywalker ends his reign, he thought he prevented Anakin from ever being a threat... Oops, that was wrong.

 

[Saltyk]

In one of the trailers we see Finn, the black storm trooper, facing off against a Sith. He has a lightsaber and is a Jedi, but it seems pretty obvious he is overwhelmed by the situation. That he is out of his league fighting a Sith. I fully expect that he will be beaten by this Sith and saved at the last minute by Luke. This may be Luke's first appearance in the movie or not.

I suspect they are not showing him in the trailer so that this moment of Luke saving one of the new cast members will be all that much more important. That much more hyped. The crowd will cheer to see one of our heroes back in action. No longer the young man trying to find his way. He will be the Master.

That's what I think. And you better believe that I will be cheering as much as anyone else when Luke shows up to save Finn, even if it happens exactly like I suspect.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

My personal theory is that Kylo Ren is Luke's first apprentice who has fallen to the dark side. Post-Return of the Jedi, Luke takes on an apprentice in order to restore the Jedi Order. While he gets to talk to Yoda and Obi Wan sometimes, there isn't a lot of other instructions around for raising a new Jedi properly, so he mucks it up and Kylo falls. Fearing a repeat he instead goes into hiding and/or becomes a hermit. This would line up with the trailers with some of the plot of Force Awakens being Finn, Han, and Rey tracking down Luke and convincing him to train again, and everyone having forgotten/disbelieves about the Force/Jedi/Sith.

While I don't hate the idea of Luke having a failed apprentice, I'd still be annoyed because it proves the idiot Jedi from the prequels were right. Luke defeats Vader and the Emperor because he has emotions, not because he represses them like the old Jedi did. To have Luke's new Jedi Order fail because he was too emotional sort of guts the core theme of forgiveness and love that Return of the Jedi had.

 

[mariosonicfan5]

Yeah from what I understand JJ has let it be cofirmed that Kylo Ren is in fact Kylo Ren and not Luke in disguise. He will be unmasked and fight without it and he is played by whatever the actors name is.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The Emperor's visions of the future showed a Skywalker ends his reign, he thought he prevented Anakin from ever being a threat... Oops, that was wrong.

That would've made sense if the Sith didn't have an entrenched tradition of students killing their masters and taking their place once they found a Padawan of their own.

By keeping Vader close, all he did was make him considerably more dangerous. And he was planning on keeping Luke close too!

Palpatine was an idiot.

 

[SixMaJin]

Dude, why do you have to judge the whole movie before it comes out, depending only on one single suspicion which has been addressed some month ago, the guy with the red lightsaber is most likely being played by Adam Driver. Even if Luke was a bad guy now (which, imho, doesn't make any sense, according to the second trailer), it still could be an awesome movie which sure as hell will be much more enjoyable than episode 1-3.
And i think it's ridiculous to have such a totalitarian opinion on something you sure as hell do not know enough about, only based on one suspicion. Fanboys!