Star Wars: The Old Republic Hands On

[AlotFirst]

That was actually more aimed at the mouthbreathing GW2 elitists than any SWTOR fans.


As for your rant about GW2, well, I'll believe it when I see it, I've had my fill of GW2 previews several of them in fact, and I have yet to see any of what you mentioned. There's still tons of stuff I don't like about the game and Arenanet isn't exactly high up on my "developers I actually like" list.

I'll try not to take that personally... and no it wasn't. There are plenty of douchebags and ignorance on both sides, especially on youtube (which isn't exactly famous for its hospitality anyway), and on Totalbiscuit's channel in particular, especially after declaring his preference for Guild Wars 2.

Everything I said was there. If you played the game and didn't experience what I describe, then I'm sorry you didn't like it; I hope TOR is satisfactory for you. If you haven't, GW2 will still be around if you'd like to see for yourself. Both The Old Republic and Guild Wars 2 are spectacular, and more importantly really fun games. There is room for both, which was TB's point.

That wasn't aimed at you, but more the GW2 community, which is pretty awful. It was 90% gw2 elitists in that comment section, considering it was the SWTOR video that started it.

And yet here you are basically acting like a SW:TOR elitist, who considers himself and the community he is part of better than the other.

And you know, by reacting to the GW2 fans in this thread in such a hostile way you have proven that you are no better than them.

 

[2xDouble]

And yet here you are basically acting like a SW:TOR elitist, who considers himself and the community he is part of better than the other.

And you know, by reacting to the GW2 fans in this thread in such a hostile way you have proven that you are no better than them.

It's not being elitist if it was true, I saw the comments on that video they were atrocious.


Also, I haven't responded in a hostile way to anyone in this thread, I made some passing comments about the Gw2 community but not anyone here in particular. Like what you wanna like, but don't go out of your way to spread false information about a game you don't like. That's just being an asshole.

That's my point though. SW:TOR fans are just as bad (and worse, on some occasions) on GW2 articles. Seriously, if The Escapist would ever do an article on GW2, you'll see all the TOR trolls come out of the woodwork. Hell, just look at the GW2 Trailer video commentaries, three or four comments about "this is awesome" then a page or so of our exact discussion, in reverse: "GW2 sucks, TOR is better", "no it doesn't", "yes it does", "TOR fans suck", [Totalbiscuit's video], "shut up, troll", etc., etc.

It's systemic, basically every internet comment on every rivalry ever. It has nothing to do with either game, or either community being better than any other. (by the way, claiming one side is better because you only view one side is elitist.) Why would SW:TOR fans be dicks to each other, when there are GW2 forums to troll?

PS: For the record, the majority of GW2 community does not hate SW:TOR. Most are looking forward to playing both, among other games. The "people" you see, just like the "people" I see, are a vocal minority. The problem is, as I alluded to earlier, SW:TOR gets far more attention than any other MMO (even before the release date), so naturally the number of trolls is higher. The lack of coverage is going to screw our game out of audience; GW2 fans HAVE to post on other forums, just to get people to look at it.

 

[Vrach]

And yet here you are basically acting like a SW:TOR elitist, who considers himself and the community he is part of better than the other.

And you know, by reacting to the GW2 fans in this thread in such a hostile way you have proven that you are no better than them.

It's not being elitist if it was true, I saw the comments on that video they were atrocious.


Also, I haven't responded in a hostile way to anyone in this thread, I made some passing comments about the Gw2 community but not anyone here in particular. Like what you wanna like, but don't go out of your way to spread false information about a game you don't like. That's just being an asshole.

That's my point though. SW:TOR fans are just as bad (and worse, on some occasions) on GW2 articles. Seriously, if The Escapist would ever do an article on GW2, you'll see all the TOR trolls come out of the woodwork. Hell, just look at the GW2 Trailer video commentaries, three or four comments about "this is awesome" then a page or so of our exact discussion, in reverse: "GW2 sucks, TOR is better", "no it doesn't", "yes it does", "TOR fans suck", [Totalbiscuit's video], "shut up, troll", etc., etc.

It's systemic, basically every internet comment on every rivalry ever. It has nothing to do with either game, or either community being better than any other. Claiming one side is better because you only view one side is elitist. Why would SW:TOR fans be dicks to each other, when there are GW2 forums to troll?

Have to disagree there mate. I look at trailers all the time and while GW2 isn't my primary interest (for some reason it just ain't grabbing me, but I'm picking it up as it's a one time fee when it comes out anyway), I check them out when they're out. Go ahead and look through the comments sections of any GW2-related videos/articles on Escapist. I just went through a few threads to give your theory a go, but no, sorry, 95% comments positive, one or two negative and I've yet to see a TOR fan bash it.

Now go through quite literally every single TOR related trailer or article. 80% responses, at least, are negative and 95% of those are based on EA hate, BioWare hate, GW2 fans bashing, misinformation, ridiculous presumptions, "WoW clone" yellers or any combination thereof.

Now, on YouTube, forums etc. the situation might be different, but as far as the Escapist is concerned, this is one hell of a negative group of people when TOR is mentioned. Any mention of GW2? Cheers all over the place. Now, I get it, GW2's the underdog for going the pay-once route and well... just not having an EA logo on it, but still, it gets quite tiresome. Most of the TOR fans here have just stopped commenting in replies because they're just bored of the same replies that are based on some bullshit 99% of the time.

I agree with you though, it has nothing to do with the game, either game, or rather any game (this same shit's going on for a number of other titles, particularly in the case of EA/ActiVision games) and no community is better than another. But yeah, Escapist is a bit of a special case (or maybe I just don't frequent many other non-game-specific gaming sites) as we've got a severe case of UpOurOwnArseitis where a lot of people feel compelled to cheer at anything down in the dumps (even if it's actually not [hi Mojang!] or it deserves to be there) and boo anything that manages to be successful, particularly financially so.

 

[2xDouble]

Have to disagree there mate. I look at trailers all the time and while GW2 isn't my primary interest (for some reason it just ain't grabbing me, but I'm picking it up as it's a one time fee when it comes out anyway), I check them out when they're out. Go ahead and look through the comments sections of any GW2-related videos/articles on Escapist. I just went through a few threads to give your theory a go, but no, sorry, 95% comments positive, one or two negative and I've yet to see a TOR fan bash it.

I'll give you that. TOR fans here pretty much just ignore GW2, which is part of the problem.

Now go through quite literally every single TOR related trailer or article. 80% responses, at least, are negative and 95% of those are based on EA hate, BioWare hate, GW2 fans bashing, misinformation, ridiculous presumptions, "WoW clone" yellers or any combination thereof.

That should say something too. Its not just GW2 bashing TOR, it's everyone who has a reason (any reason, even disliking the boxart) to hate the game bashing TOR. GW2 just happens to be the primary rival, and as such gets dragged into the conversation whenever someone has something negative to say about TOR, then GW2 gets insulted, and the argument continues. It may not be as visible on The Escapist, but GW2-friendly sites like Massively and KillTenRats are swarming with trolls, forcing GW2 fans to defend their game, sometimes proactively.

Now, on YouTube, forums etc. the situation might be different, but as far as the Escapist is concerned, this is one hell of a negative group of people when TOR is mentioned. Any mention of GW2? Cheers all over the place. Now, I get it, GW2's the underdog for going the pay-once route and well... just not having an EA logo on it, but still, it gets quite tiresome. Most of the TOR fans here have just stopped commenting in replies because they're just bored of the same replies that are based on some bullshit 99% of the time.

I completely agree. It is extremely tiresome. The whole argument is stupid. Both games are very fun. There is no chance of TOR failing no matter who says what about it, thanks to its curb appeal alone. The fact that it also happens to be able to back it up with exciting if "traditional" gameplay and fantastic Bioware storytelling just cements it. As Totalbiscuit said in another video, "There is no 'better game', they both do what they do very, very well".

 

[Spitfire]

At some point on your starting planet, you'll eventually find your first companion character. The Jedi Knight, for instance, rescues an astromech from the Flesh Raiders, while the Smuggler allies himself with a battle-hardened soldier who shares a common enemy.

Companions can even help you out in combat, allowing you to take on even tougher challenges than you would normally.

Wait a minute. Unless TOR has some crazy amount of different companions, that means that you'll be guaranteed to see other players running around with the same companion as you are. Is that addressed in any way?

 

[notimeforlulz]

if I remember the trailer correctly, in this game your level is represented by how many light sabers you can use at the same time, I wanna be the first guy to have 12, I'll throw seven of them, and hack away with the other 5.

WHAT?! Are you sure you're remembering right? There's no way Bioware would put something so ridiculous into the game.

I was just making fun of the fact that the trailer displayed a geometric progression of No. of sabers welded to represent badassatry to make the trailer seem coolios. Sorry if I disturbed your perceptions of bioware and star wars, but the simple fact of the matter is that storyboard writers working on star wars games can't seem to see how lame their use of multi-saber wielding is.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/unskippable/3538-Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic

Just so you can see for yourself

 

[Seydaman]

I kind of want to this just for storyline purposes. I would of been sold if the game didn't seem so black and white for the evil and good options. Sounds like if I choose to be a sith I'm stuck being one and my choices should be all be dark sided related, and the same vice versa.

Still, I really do want to check this out. I can't help but worry about it's future though, I hope enough players get it.

Actually. You can play a Jedi and do all dark side choices.
And play a Sith and do all light side choices.

 

[walrusaurus]

I kind of want to this just for storyline purposes. I would of been sold if the game didn't seem so black and white for the evil and good options. Sounds like if I choose to be a sith I'm stuck being one and my choices should be all be dark sided related, and the same vice versa.

Still, I really do want to check this out. I can't help but worry about it's future though, I hope enough players get it.

Thats the big issue I have with the whole system. Cause you know that its going to be very Mass Effect-y with tis dialogue options. There'll be one option that covers whatever a reasonable/sane person would say, and then the evil option which to them apparently means complete and utter dickishness at all times, regardless of context. And, at the end of the day, every Jedi character will choose all the light side options, and every sith will choose all the dark side ones, so whats the point of having a choice at all?

 

[SextusMaximus]

If not for the monthly subscription I would be getting it day one.

This is after playing the beta too.

Can you explain why a monthly sub is a deal breaker? This may not be the case with yourself, but many cringe at the idea of paying a $15 sub, but are quick to drop 60 bucks monthly on a new release, or even 20 bucks on a sale on Steam.

Fairly simple really isn't it?

People expect replayability in games such a these, so $60 to play the game for an infinite amount of time seems reasonable.

Whereas, after 4 months - the $15 monthly subscription will go beyond $60 (altogether spent on the game) and this is for a game that's MEANT to have years of replayability.

(Infinity > 4 Months)

Im sorry bioware you pulled resources out of Dragon Age 2 to make this crap? Well thanks for also pulling out any interest I have in any of your games to the end of time.

Could you put '/sarcasm' tags at the end of that? Not sure if you're serious or not.

 

[cieply]

I have no idea how people can eat so much shit, especially while reading the preview. Seriously, watch some beta leaks, some gameplay and see for yourself what yet another paid Escapist reviewer writes about. You'll see WoW with dialogues, with addition of horrible black/white morality system. But don't allow me to just run my mouth like that, I'll support that with examples.

At the end of the Trooper story campaign you'll chase, and finally apprehend one of the most dangerous generals of the empire who killed thousands, if not millions of people. Now, you bring him in and Chancellor wants to TRADE him for a few prisoners that empire captured. If you won't allow that and say that he would murder much more people if he was to be returned, you are getting awarded a whole bunch of DARK SIDE points. In bioware morality if you do anything pragmatic (like not releasing the best empires general) you are a kitty murdering bastard.

There is a ton of such examples of bad writing, romances are probably the worst. But it's not like someone who will never receive any beta invite/early testing copy of EA game if he trashes the game will tell you about it.

Watch some leaks, read reviews of people who's job is not on the line if he will be frank for once and make up your OWN mind.

As for the "guild wars is better" argument, just watch beta vids from both of those games and decide where to place your trust.

 

[Monsterfurby]

I don't see you getting the RPG experience in any video game. There aren't a whole lot that offer anything of the like. You're better off doing forum-roleplaying, tabletop gaming or writing a book... Sad but true.

To be honest, I've had some pretty good roleplaying experiences in RPG guilds in Ultima Online, Dark Age of Camelot and even WoW, as well as UO freeshards. It certainly is possible, but getting harder these days.

 

[Zing]

Oh I think i'd like to play this game. When's it coming out? OH right it doesn't even have a release date for me.

You can shove it Bioware and EA.

 

[kingcom]

At some point on your starting planet, you'll eventually find your first companion character. The Jedi Knight, for instance, rescues an astromech from the Flesh Raiders, while the Smuggler allies himself with a battle-hardened soldier who shares a common enemy.

Companions can even help you out in combat, allowing you to take on even tougher challenges than you would normally.

Wait a minute. Unless TOR has some crazy amount of different companions, that means that you'll be guaranteed to see other players running around with the same companion as you are. Is that addressed in any way?

Enjoy the clones, although you can customize them a fair bit...

 

[kingcom]

Oh I think i'd like to play this game. When's it coming out? OH right it doesn't even have a release date for me.

You can shove it Bioware and EA.

Apparently they put out a global release:

http://www.swtor.com/news/news-article/20111014-1

EDIT: Though im not sure what they mean by global.

EDIT2: Reading that again makes it feel like a bigger slap in the face....