Star Wars: The Old Republic
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I find that whenever someone uses or references a classification of argument, that they have no argument, and I hold them in serious disdain and suspicion.Lyri said:
Regardless, your response was far too trivial to take time gathering evidence when that information has been as common as ever and anyone would really just have to have been in WC3 for its entirety until most of the community died to understand that. Even being there for just a few years and not being obsessed with one style of "map" would have also done it. As such, I figured you were trying to be facetious or sarcastic or joking or dismissive or some such term.
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I fought a Terentatek on Korriban, and when I saw it I was like "Oh shit, I'm going to have forced death in a minute." but I survived. But it WAS A TERENTATEK on KORRIBAN and I was an idiot and yet it was an awesome experience.
Funny thing. I got an email saying I got invited to the beta. And on it said they would send me another email with information to get into it. I never got the second email. I am a bit bummed about that.
Didn't post because I hadn't heard that the NDA was lifted. Now that it has been, I'm afraid I have to disagree with you. After playing the beta last weekend for about seven hours, I cancelled my pre-order. It was very disappointing, to say the least, and some of the bugs were just surprising, this close to release (Not able to exit the game? Lolwut?). It had the generic MMO mild fun-factor, but didn't offer me anything I haven't seen in WoW, AoC, etc... other than being based on an IP that has pretty much become a greasy, vaguely dead-horse-shaped smear on the pavement.
SWTOR.com/testerKrion_Vark said:
Usually.
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I'm not sure if the codes work anymore, else I'd give you one if you were that interested. Maybe they'll throw more to the crowds.
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To the person so vehemently against it, I must respectfully disagree. The IP is not a pile of poodoo and I definitely don't think other games have anything on this, not in the MMO category at least.
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About the crate comment; sometimes a little personal satisfaction is better than a visual satisfaction.
For the prequels, I say that from a movie critic stand point, not a star wars fan stand point. They weren't that great of movies and the CGI was terrible in my opinion.Delsana said:
To settle this civilized, yes to each their own opinion. In my experiences with video games, movies and just media in general, if a large franchise has it's name slapped on a mediocre product, that product will sell way better than it would as a brand new title. To give just a basic example. Modern Warfare 2 comes out, it's a huge hit, it gets a lot of new fans and players. Black Ops comes out, the new fans will buy that just because they liked the previous one, unaware it's by a completely different team.
In today's modern day, names are sold more often than content. The iPhone currently out sells the Droid. The Droid, in comparison to the iPhone is way better in specs and software, and with it's growing App Store, it will soon surpass the iPhone entirely. But no one will buy it...why? Because it's not an iPhone.
You want a truly amazing MMO that's breaking all grounds of the MMO genre? Check out The Secret World. No leveling system at all. No classes. It's all just a big game of fun. The closest thing that this game is breaking ground with is changing the quest dialog and that's as far as I can see. All the typical cookie cutter MMO factors are there in a Star Wars cosplay suit.
Well, I like them to be quite honest. I enjoy some parts of them more than others, like I don't like the final battle in Revenge of the Sith, and don't enjoy a small part of Attack of the Clones, and I like the battles in Phantom Menace, but even things like Jar Jar don't bother me. He's chewbacca, for the kids, with a dif style.DrgoFx said:
I had done that over a year ago. I had gotten an email like I said saying that I would be getting a code and instructions on how to enter the beta for the next weekend test. But never got said email.Delsana said:
Why are you continuing talking about DoTA 2?Delsana said:
I'm asking you to confirm your opinion, if what you say was as common as you suggest then you should have no problem in actually proving so.
To say SW:TOR is technically better than Skyrim, MW3 and BF3 and then have no actual data to say so and pass it off as fact is laughable.
Saying someone has no argument because they asked you to validate yours makes you sound exactly the same.
I don't have an argument to suggest it is or isn't technically better, I want you to present the facts you so claim exist.
Well, they're pretty much talking shit then (unless they just meant they're not aiming to take WoW down, which just means they're smart and honest). WoW and SWTOR are damn near identical gameplay wise, and the differences (such as the cool but slightly puzzling cover system) are mostly additions rather than genuine divergences. You seem to be talking more about the story though, in which case, yeah, that's the one isolated area where they are quite different.Delsana said:
I can't work it out...
Is this guy a fanboy, marketing guru or troll?
I feel like I've just read an advert for this game.
Is this guy a fanboy, marketing guru or troll?
I feel like I've just read an advert for this game.
I have been in the beta for some time now and I just stopped playing it. Partially because of the new releases for the season coming out and partially because it just didn't do it for me. What I saw of it was great from an early character development angle and it was fun but it started to lose its luster fast.
The problem I have is that they set out to make a WoW killer and in doing so, they made it a LOT like WoW. This isn't a bad thing but I played WoW for 5 years and got tired of it so there is a lot of TOR that triggered that same feeling of been there done that. Not knocking the game by any means but I doubt I will be the only one that felt that way.
The problem I have is that they set out to make a WoW killer and in doing so, they made it a LOT like WoW. This isn't a bad thing but I played WoW for 5 years and got tired of it so there is a lot of TOR that triggered that same feeling of been there done that. Not knocking the game by any means but I doubt I will be the only one that felt that way.
I played a bit last beta weekend, but very little. Skyrim pulled me away, and I don't see much sense in fussing with MMO betas anyway. I've already pre-ordered, and I need to know I'm investing in a character who is going to be around a while to have any impetus to play.
PROS - Yep, that's a Bioware game. You could almost convince me I was playing KOTOR 3. Smooth and polished, with only a few glitches here and there. I had fun, messing around. Seems like a very solid game, and, as expected, should pair up with GW2 to be the first real threat to WoW's monolithic subscriber base.
CONS - Not a lot of re-invention of the wheel here, aside from the slick storytelling (which will only be fresh once). Those who are sick of the genre as a whole should be warned that there is a very, very, very, very familiar MMO engine chugging away under the Bioware hood.
PROS - Yep, that's a Bioware game. You could almost convince me I was playing KOTOR 3. Smooth and polished, with only a few glitches here and there. I had fun, messing around. Seems like a very solid game, and, as expected, should pair up with GW2 to be the first real threat to WoW's monolithic subscriber base.
CONS - Not a lot of re-invention of the wheel here, aside from the slick storytelling (which will only be fresh once). Those who are sick of the genre as a whole should be warned that there is a very, very, very, very familiar MMO engine chugging away under the Bioware hood.
In what universe is Dark souls not an RPG? What would you call it then? And what crazy definition of RPG do you have?Delsana said:
It seems to me that someone can determine what their opinion about this game will be by considering their opinions on the following three things: WoW, Bioware, and Star Wars.
Here is my opinion on all three of those things, and on SWTOR:
1. I really like the idea of MMOs, but I've never been interested in the WoW-style ones. The only MMO I've liked so far has been FFXI because of its world, music, and focus on cooperation, and the only one I'm really looking forward to is GW2 because it's shaping up to be what I always wanted MMOs to be like.
2. I love Dragon Age: Origins because of its wonderful cast, though not so much for the rest of the game, and I would give roughly a B grade to every other Bioware game I've played (KOTOR, ME, ME2).
3. I used to like Star Wars but have begun to hate it for being overly black and white, human-focused, filled with borderline offensive stereotypes, and essentially just the same few stories repeated over and over with increasingly ridiculous aesthetics.
I played SWTOR over the last beta weekend (got a Bounty Hunter and Jedi Consular to 9 and the end of their starter planets' storylines and a Sith Warrior most of the way there). I enjoyed a couple moments of the storyline--mostly what happens when you try bluffing to Darth Baras as a male Sith Warrior (oh, Alistair)--but overall I found it to be fairly dull. I'll be playing the starter planets of a few more classes this weekend.
However my SO, who is extremely psyched for the game, went ahead and preordered it for me and is possibly going to pay for my subscription as well. (If I have to pay for it myself, I likely won't play it for more than a couple months.)
At the very least, I'll be playing an Imperial Agent to max level and then moving on to the rest of the classes if I remain interested, beginning with Smuggler. But I'll be pretty much playing it as a single-player game with a built-in chat feature that I can use to talk to my friends who are also playing it. I might team up with them from time to time to do some flashpoints and whatnot; we'll see. I just don't plan on playing it like an MMO with an endgame and mostly multiplayer content.
Here is my opinion on all three of those things, and on SWTOR:
1. I really like the idea of MMOs, but I've never been interested in the WoW-style ones. The only MMO I've liked so far has been FFXI because of its world, music, and focus on cooperation, and the only one I'm really looking forward to is GW2 because it's shaping up to be what I always wanted MMOs to be like.
2. I love Dragon Age: Origins because of its wonderful cast, though not so much for the rest of the game, and I would give roughly a B grade to every other Bioware game I've played (KOTOR, ME, ME2).
3. I used to like Star Wars but have begun to hate it for being overly black and white, human-focused, filled with borderline offensive stereotypes, and essentially just the same few stories repeated over and over with increasingly ridiculous aesthetics.
I played SWTOR over the last beta weekend (got a Bounty Hunter and Jedi Consular to 9 and the end of their starter planets' storylines and a Sith Warrior most of the way there). I enjoyed a couple moments of the storyline--mostly what happens when you try bluffing to Darth Baras as a male Sith Warrior (oh, Alistair)--but overall I found it to be fairly dull. I'll be playing the starter planets of a few more classes this weekend.
However my SO, who is extremely psyched for the game, went ahead and preordered it for me and is possibly going to pay for my subscription as well. (If I have to pay for it myself, I likely won't play it for more than a couple months.)
At the very least, I'll be playing an Imperial Agent to max level and then moving on to the rest of the classes if I remain interested, beginning with Smuggler. But I'll be pretty much playing it as a single-player game with a built-in chat feature that I can use to talk to my friends who are also playing it. I might team up with them from time to time to do some flashpoints and whatnot; we'll see. I just don't plan on playing it like an MMO with an endgame and mostly multiplayer content.
When I had a year or so at a game-design university just to kind of check it out (and it was a good one too) and see what the hub-bub was about during my younger years, we learned their form of design theorem and how things work or are classified. Dark Souls and its predecessor are NOT considered what would be called an RPG and hence they aren't labeled as such.walrusaurus said:
See, I tried to get into it, but the terrible lighting in the console version (don't care if it's a console version problem, as that's a SERIOUS problem and also a significant market and so you can't just wash that away and say "well PC this".) pushed me away and made me hate it. As did some of the repetition I quickly faced.BloatedGuppy said:
I then went on to the PC version and the customizer for that is ridiculously annoying and low-key not because of option lacking (though it does have that as well) but because rotating to see what it looks like causes you to have to back out of that option and then back in to actually change things. The lighting was better though, but on a GTX 570 I would expect that at the least.
I'm not happy with Skyrim's lack of guidance, not because I want to be "on-rails" as you guys call it, but because a story should draw you into doing something outside of just text popping on a screen.