Star Wars: The Old Republic

[BloatedGuppy]

See, I tried to get into it, but the terrible lighting in the console version (don't care if it's a console version problem, as that's a SERIOUS problem and also a significant market and so you can't just wash that away and say "well PC this".) pushed me away and made me hate it. As did some of the repetition I quickly faced.

I then went on to the PC version and the customizer for that is ridiculously annoying and low-key not because of option lacking (though it does have that as well) but because rotating to see what it looks like causes you to have to back out of that option and then back in to actually change things. The lighting was better though, but on a GTX 570 I would expect that at the least.

I'm not happy with Skyrim's lack of guidance, not because I want to be "on-rails" as you guys call it, but because a story should draw you into doing something outside of just text popping on a screen.

Courses for horses. You're kind of de-railing your own TOR topic, here, though. 90% of the post you quoted was about TOR, but you're fussing about Skyrim.

I'm not sure why you had so many issues with your PC version of Skyrim though. There's no question the interface is a little ass backwards but it takes all of about one day to learn.

 

[Delsana]

See, I tried to get into it, but the terrible lighting in the console version (don't care if it's a console version problem, as that's a SERIOUS problem and also a significant market and so you can't just wash that away and say "well PC this".) pushed me away and made me hate it. As did some of the repetition I quickly faced.

I then went on to the PC version and the customizer for that is ridiculously annoying and low-key not because of option lacking (though it does have that as well) but because rotating to see what it looks like causes you to have to back out of that option and then back in to actually change things. The lighting was better though, but on a GTX 570 I would expect that at the least.

I'm not happy with Skyrim's lack of guidance, not because I want to be "on-rails" as you guys call it, but because a story should draw you into doing something outside of just text popping on a screen.

Courses for horses. You're kind of de-railing your own TOR topic, here, though. 90% of the post you quoted was about TOR, but you're fussing about Skyrim.

I'm not sure why you had so many issues with your PC version of Skyrim though. There's no question the interface is a little ass backwards but it takes all of about one day to learn.

I never said I had any trouble with the interface. For the PC, I mentioned that the customization options were awful primarily because viewing them by rotating your character or using a limited zoom in feature then required you to go back to the initial option and then back to your option so you could change things again, because rotating the character screwed things up (not a bug, a poor system).

I tend to respond to whatever people respond with. This is about TOR though.

 

[EmperorSubcutaneous]

Funny thing. I got an email saying I got invited to the beta. And on it said they would send me another email with information to get into it. I never got the second email. I am a bit bummed about that.

SWTOR.com/tester

Usually.

I had done that over a year ago. I had gotten an email like I said saying that I would be getting a code and instructions on how to enter the beta for the next weekend test. But never got said email.

If you got that email about a week/week and a half ago, then it means you're signed up for this upcoming weekend. Go download it now!

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I never said I had any trouble with the interface. For the PC, I mentioned that the customization options were awful primarily because viewing them by rotating your character or using a limited zoom in feature then required you to go back to the initial option and then back to your option so you could change things again, because rotating the character screwed things up (not a bug, a poor system).

I tend to respond to whatever people respond with. This is about TOR though.

Huh. I never had any issue with em. I may just have overlooked it, though. I will say it sounds like you were pretty quick to make your mind up, though.

Dude, again, I had three paragraphs about TOR and mentioned Skyrim in passing. Don't put it on me! You just went off tangent and did some Skyrim bashing for god knows what reason.

 

[Delsana]

I never said I had any trouble with the interface. For the PC, I mentioned that the customization options were awful primarily because viewing them by rotating your character or using a limited zoom in feature then required you to go back to the initial option and then back to your option so you could change things again, because rotating the character screwed things up (not a bug, a poor system).

I tend to respond to whatever people respond with. This is about TOR though.

Huh. I never had any issue with em. I may just have overlooked it, though. I will say it sounds like you were pretty quick to make your mind up, though.

Dude, again, I had three paragraphs about TOR and mentioned Skyrim in passing. Don't put it on me! You just went off tangent and did some Skyrim bashing for god knows what reason.

Not bashing, it's not a bush to say your perspective or opinion politely. I'm still trying to play the game like I said, not that I'm just going to throw it away or something, but I couldn't stop playing TOR during the beta, and I COULD stop Skyrim.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Not bashing, it's not a bush to say your perspective or opinion politely. I'm still trying to play the game like I said, not that I'm just going to throw it away or something, but I couldn't stop playing TOR during the beta, and I COULD stop Skyrim.

I had the opposite experience, alas, but that's no knock against TOR, which I found very entertaining. Skyrim just drew me in a lot more completely. I'm looking forward to the headstart for TOR, although I'm a little concerned about putting in 100+ hours on a very familiar feeling Bioware game right before ME3 hits.

 

[Delsana]

Not bashing, it's not a bush to say your perspective or opinion politely. I'm still trying to play the game like I said, not that I'm just going to throw it away or something, but I couldn't stop playing TOR during the beta, and I COULD stop Skyrim.

I had the opposite experience, alas, but that's no knock against TOR, which I found very entertaining. Skyrim just drew me in a lot more completely. I'm looking forward to the headstart for TOR, although I'm a little concerned about putting in 100+ hours on a very familiar feeling Bioware game right before ME3 hits.

ME 3 though, is considered to be the last of that Shepherd focus so... it makes some sense to throw a little DLC and then let it end decently as they focus on something else. I'll buy it of course, for both 360 and PC, but after playing it a few times I'll probably only go back to it once every other year. TOR has longevity DUE to the fact it's an MMO, and one that costs over 120 million to make.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

kotor 1 and 2 are easily in my top 5 favorite games of all time. when i heard about TOR i was pretty peeved, and from early stuff/the fact it was an mmo, i wasn't really interested, but last weekend, i got invited to the beta, and was absolutely BLOWN away with how much fun i had on it, it went from not buying the game to a must buy this christmas break, so hopefully i can scrounge the money toget to buy it/a few months subscription.

oh and also, it isn't like WoW in my opinion..i played it at a friends and i was bored out of my mind, with TOR it was complete opposite.

to the OP, you come across as kind of snobbish, especially against skyrim, with little discussion value, which is why this thread was dying, and is slowly turning into a flame thread. honestly i'm surprised the major GW2 fanboys haven't killed you by now.

 

[Delsana]

kotor 1 and 2 are easily in my top 5 favorite games of all time. when i heard about TOR i was pretty peeved, and from early stuff/the fact it was an mmo, i wasn't really interested, but last weekend, i got invited to the beta, and was absolutely BLOWN away with how much fun i had on it, it went from not buying the game to a must buy this christmas break, so hopefully i can scrounge the money toget to buy it/a few months subscription.

oh and also, it isn't like WoW in my opinion..i played it at a friends and i was bored out of my mind, with TOR it was complete opposite.

to the OP, you come across as kind of snobbish, especially against skyrim, with little discussion value, which is why this thread was dying, and is slowly turning into a flame thread. honestly i'm surprised the major GW2 fanboys haven't killed you by now.

It is a piece of wisdom to understand that what others perceive in others is most usually what is true about themselves. So, unless you yourself are snobbish, I would doubt that's actually true. I tend to be... more factual and unbiased in truth, and so my opinions and views are based on what that mentality leads me to.

In any case, a pre-order will give you from 2 - 5 days of early access. Perhaps you'd like to pre-order TOR then.

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This thread has served my purposes quite well actually.

 

[DRes82]

I've been in beta for the last 4 builds. Initially, I was extremely excited. Its a well built, well thought out MMO. Solid all the way through. Still, it feels a little too formulaic for me. Let me make it very clear, though. The art design in the game is fantastic. Balmorra is one that stands out, and Tatooine. Both have just incredible landscapes. Quests though, NPC's, interaction, actual gameplay...same old stuff.

I haven't touched my beta client for weeks in anticipation of Skyrim. Now that its released, SWTOR seems a little dull in comparison. Skyrim is a completely different genre of game, and so its a little unfair to SWTOR to compare the two. If had to make a choice, as a long time SWTOR beta tester, there is no comparison. Skyrim is in a different league all together.

I'm debating on whether or not to keep my CE preorder. I'm thinking that after WoW, I'm just done with MMO's in general.

 

[Ascarus]

TOR has a lot to live up to before i will even order it. if the reviews aren't spectacular, i will not be buying it.

and the story had better be absolutely ace, because the cartoony WoW style graphics are stale and uninteresting to me. also, i still don't know how they are going to manage the fact the even from official polls, over 70% of the population wants to play a force wielding class. if the game turns into jedis killing jedis with little variation, it will die a quick and ugly death.

edit (added): and by "offical poll" i am referring to a poll that was on the TOR forums months back when i used to visit them. it is certainly possible those numbers have changed. until the game is live it will be hard to say for certain whether those poll numbers stand up, but for my money, that is exactly what i expected. when given the choice between using force powers in the game vs. not, how many would really choose the latter?

 

[DRes82]

TOR has a lot to live up to before i will even order it. if the reviews aren't spectacular, i will not be buying it.

and the story had better be absolutely ace, because the cartoony WoW style graphics are stale and uninteresting to me. also, i still don't know how they are going to manage the fact the even from official polls, over 70% of the population wants to play a force wielding class. if the game turns into jedis killing jedis with little variation, it will die a quick and ugly death.

I am certain that all jedi/sith situation will not occur. Smuggler and Imperial Agent are much MUCH more fun to play than force classes, trust me. I think the fact that there is no innovation in the actual mechanics and gameplay that might hurt it in the long run.

 

[The Lugz]

i bought the collectors edition so i have the option of flogging it for twice what i paid for it if i don't like it

 

[Ascarus]

I think the fact that there is no innovation in the actual mechanics and gameplay that might hurt it in the long run.

i completely agree. i started rift and decided that although the rifts were interesting the game was still "do this for that" for the most part. i didn't last a month before i bailed.

the only thing that works in TORs advantage in that aspect is the SW universe. people may be willing to forgive quite a bit just to finally play around in that universe provided the rest of the story is compelling.

 

[Delsana]

I think the fact that there is no innovation in the actual mechanics and gameplay that might hurt it in the long run.

i completely agree. i started rift and decided that although the rifts were interesting the game was still "do this for that" for the most part. i didn't last a month before i bailed.

the only thing that works in TORs advantage in that aspect is the SW universe. people may be willing to forgive quite a bit just to finally play around in that universe provided the rest of the story is compelling.

Innovative story and sense of heroic gameplay is what is selling SWTOR.

 

[Delsana]

I've been in beta for the last 4 builds. Initially, I was extremely excited. Its a well built, well thought out MMO. Solid all the way through. Still, it feels a little too formulaic for me. Let me make it very clear, though. The art design in the game is fantastic. Balmorra is one that stands out, and Tatooine. Both have just incredible landscapes. Quests though, NPC's, interaction, actual gameplay...same old stuff.

I haven't touched my beta client for weeks in anticipation of Skyrim. Now that its released, SWTOR seems a little dull in comparison. Skyrim is a completely different genre of game, and so its a little unfair to SWTOR to compare the two. If had to make a choice, as a long time SWTOR beta tester, there is no comparison. Skyrim is in a different league all together.

I'm debating on whether or not to keep my CE preorder. I'm thinking that after WoW, I'm just done with MMO's in general.

The fact that your characters kept getting deleted could easily have defrayed the game to you as happens for many testers. Skyrim is in a different league, true, but that's not necessarily saying it's "superior". In my eyes it is VERY average... We've done fantasy FOREVER. A solid Sci-Fi RPG is finally coming and it has some unique features and traits others don't. Some of the people that have tested longer than you still love it. Obviously everyone is wired differently so it may not appeal to some.

Also, if you look at the quests and stuff, you may find that it actually isn't all the same stuff.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Innovative story and sense of heroic gameplay is what is selling SWTOR.

Whoa whoa whoa, whoa cowboy. Whoa. Innovative HOW?

This is not innovative. This is Bioware applying their extremely time tested formula that they've been aping since KOTOR to a MMO. Katamari Damacy was innovative. Minecraft was innovative. The original Guitar Hero was innovative. This is as safe as safe gets.

That's not a slam on the game, I like what they've done. But INNOVATIVE? GTFO.

 

[Delsana]

Pre ordered the collectors edition months ago and can't wait...but Skyrim is holding all my SWTOR hype away for the moment. I loved the beta, but now I'm just going to play Skyrim until it comes out.

Damn I feel so damn lucky. I went from Dark Souls...Skyrim...Now SWTOR. Im the RPG King! XD

I'm not sure Dark Souls can be called an RPG... doing that would open a bag of worms that could start labeling almost everything as "RPG" just because of class mechanics... Hello RPG Modern Warfare.

Did you do Deus Ex? That's a type of RPG.

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No Thanksgiving beta or early access for you?

I was going to take your post seriously until I saw you calling Dark Souls not an RPG and calling human revolution one. There both RPGs but its laughable that Dark Souls is as RPG as you can get when human revolution is basically gears of war 3 meets splinter cell. But both are great games never the less.

I got the email for thanksgiving beta access but again, won't do it because of Skyrim. But I will do early access

I still disagree that Dark Souls is an RPG, all it has is a basic RPG and class mechanic system, which would allow far too many things to be called RPG's if it was labeled one as well. As for Deus Ex, its current iteration is definitely RPG-style if you look at it.

If I look at it? Ok let me try.

What...in the blue hell kind of rebuttal is that?! If I look at Deus Ex Human Revolution, it's definitly an RPG...but Dark Souls is not an RPG because it has ALL the RPG mechanics in it, therefore, it is not an RPG...Look I'm not usually this type of guy but because you have the worst defense for your argument I have ever seen...

YOU DON'T MAKE ANY SENSE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES...NOT...COMPUTE!

It wasn't a defense. I tend to learn things, find they're true, and then make the poor assumption that other people found that out too. So here it is:

In game design, Dark Souls is not an RPG, it fits the characteristics of another genre far too much, in essence it can have mechanics but if the style focuses on another thing, then it is that instead. Kind of like an override. Dark Souls is an adventure. You could call it a thriller adventure to be more accurate. In all honesty though, you could make an argument that it is an entirely different genre.

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My poor thread...

I feel as if it was neglected intentionally. It had such a genuine and noble purpose, and instead it was ignored and left to rot. The poor thing, it never had an ill thought towards anyone.

I am shocked though, that the Skyrim threads can dominate this forum and yet, a game much better than it gets ignored. And even if that wasn't agreed upon, a game that will reach many more people is ignored.

Much better than Skyrim? You're comparing an MMO to a sandbox SP RPG...In that case, I think Skyrim is better than Football Manager.

Here's a reason Skyrim dominates the forums and Star Wars doesn't: One game is actually released. I'm sure things will change in December.

However, another reason for this might be that Star Wars looks pretty uninteresting based on what has been shown and told. WoW with lightsabers and voice acting. While that's pretty cool in itself, it's not very fresh or new, and that's an opinion many people have.

To base things off of an opinion rather than a fact, is a poor decision, from my experience.

As for comparing them, both games are RPG's.