That early rush strategy is very easy to beat if you know how, terran build bunker with SCV to repair, protoss cannon if needed, otherwise two gate zealots with probes off of the line, and for Zerg queen and spine crawler with zergling, hopefully with speed. This is what's great about starcraft, literally any strategy is beatable, early rushes are difficult to handle at first, but once you beat it, your midgame push will be able to MURDER anything that they have because you didn't waste as much as they did at the beggining
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Anything in Starcraft 2 can be countered which is why it is such a great game, it's not like early rushes are unbeatable you just need a bunker, spine crawler, cannon (maybe two gate opening) to deal with it. Early scout to detect the early rush and defend accordingly. BE SURE TO NOT JUST GO INTO SUPER TURTLE MODE. Because then you will loose in the later game, just respond enough to defend the rush and you'll be in an advantageous state for the rest of the game. I suggest watching day9tv.blip.tv as he gives good advice. Once you're a good enough player you will almost never loose to this early rush tactic, in fact you'll end up winning every game where they do it.
In response to Reaper (the jetpack unit) all it takes is microing one stalker, marauder with marines, or speedlings to deal with this. Again, difficult but definitely not impossible, and repers are useless later in the game so he wasted his money making them if you hold it off.
In response to Reaper (the jetpack unit) all it takes is microing one stalker, marauder with marines, or speedlings to deal with this. Again, difficult but definitely not impossible, and repers are useless later in the game so he wasted his money making them if you hold it off.
I'd like to know what kind of people you're playing against, a lot of my games do last longer than 15 minutes.MaxPowers666 said:
Edit: Everyone that plays ladder should just state their league, I wanna get a statistic of what leagues players are in.
You just need to scout earlier then, and recognise when people are going to rush and prepare accordingly, when you find out they will rush, tell your allies to get units, and you yourself prepare for the rush.Cyketor said:
Don't build static defences, sure you might be able to survive the rush but a mobile army means you can help your team mates as well. Make sure you announce to everyone on your team that they are going to rush and ask them if they understand that.
If you survive their rush, they are generally going to lose because they committed to the rush with all their resources. If you have early warning of their rush through scouting, you have the advantage, and in theory, in a 4V4 match it would only take 2 of your team mates to hold off a four man rush because you have the extra time to prepare, make units, and organise your economy.
But it all depends on map size and stuff. If the map is huge, and you've scouted well enough you're going to have enough time to build whatever you want and you may only need two people to kill the rush. But if the map is small, you may have less time to prepare and may need 3 or 4 to kill the 4 man rush.
Don't rely on your team mates to defend you, you need your own units even if you're teching.
And think of units that are seemingly purpose built to hold off rushes.
Sentries with forcefield
Mauraders with concussive shells
Zerglings with the speed upgrades or Roaches with their armoured goodness.
So prepare for them.Cyketor said:
If you're protoss, get early stalkers, if you're terran, Marines or Marauders, if you're zerg, roaches or speedlings.
If you're constantly getting killed by Reapers you need to learn how to adapt to that strategy. You need to scout out the players and know what they are doing and know how to counter the unit.
The game isn't incredibly unbalanced, reapers are an easy unit to counter if you're prepared, the issue a lot of new players have is just not scouting.
This definitely means you aren't scouting enough.Cyketor said:
Well, they took out the main lan option from the first one, because (my information might be wrong) somehow people were able to pirate copies using it. But anywho, I play matches with my friends at my place anyways just using battlenet and it works just as well, so... yeah.Cyketor said:
That is quite odd then, but I guess how long your games last depends on who you played with. Some of the experiences tends to vary a lot from what I've heard.MaxPowers666 said:
Looking back at some of my replays (Gold league and some games against platinum players), they all vary from in terms of how long they last. There doesn't seem to be any pattern, just depends on the player I guess.MaxPowers666 said:
the problem isnt them its youCyketor said:
if they go for an opening rush and you have nothing to defend by the first 5 mins of the game then thats just dissapointing
20 min games feel just as good to them as they do to you and if your brother has carriers before the 10 min mark then he probably cheesed and should be punished for it
rushes aren't for winning they are to stop cheese strategies the fact that you dont have an army to stop the rush just shows what kind of player you are
I play coop against hte computer. Racing the other person to destroy the AI first on medium or working really hard together on hard is pretty awesome.
I am a rusher... Sorta...
I always ALWAYS pressure my opponent early. Rarely do I full on assault the base with an attempt to win early, but if I see the opportunity (my opponent is teching or very weak), I throw up a couple more warpgates and push HARD with an attempt to win early.
Why do I do this? It bugs people, but here is the reason:
Because I am better than my opponent. You must realize that if you fail to hold off a rush, you are not a good player, and thus, you are not worth my time. I love the epic 30+ minute games that are action packed with harass, and squads and strike teams and such. But if you cannot hold off a simple rush at the beginning, you are not as good as me, and the game will be stupidly drawn out and I will win anyway. Rushing just eliminates my opponent before he turtles up stupidly and macros an army that will be bothersome for me. I kill you now so i don't waste too much time on you, and I can move on and fight someone better.
I always ALWAYS pressure my opponent early. Rarely do I full on assault the base with an attempt to win early, but if I see the opportunity (my opponent is teching or very weak), I throw up a couple more warpgates and push HARD with an attempt to win early.
Why do I do this? It bugs people, but here is the reason:
Because I am better than my opponent. You must realize that if you fail to hold off a rush, you are not a good player, and thus, you are not worth my time. I love the epic 30+ minute games that are action packed with harass, and squads and strike teams and such. But if you cannot hold off a simple rush at the beginning, you are not as good as me, and the game will be stupidly drawn out and I will win anyway. Rushing just eliminates my opponent before he turtles up stupidly and macros an army that will be bothersome for me. I kill you now so i don't waste too much time on you, and I can move on and fight someone better.
I see what you did there.AC10 said:
You haven't seen anything until you've played HoN/DOTA though, a bad mannered player from Starcraft would seem like the best person in the world in comparison.
That's a viable strategy, and if you can't block an early-game rush (which is a remarkably easy thing to do), you deserve to lose.Cyketor said:
Hate to break it to you, but we're not gonna go easy on you because you don't know the basics. SCII is fun, but the fun comes from the competition, the thrill of knowing your enemy is certain of their victory just as you open a Nydus Worm inside their base and wipe the floor with them.
Also, upgrades (to armor, shields, weapons) should be the LAST thing you worry about; always go for the ability/energy upgrades first, if at all.
