Abandon4093 said:
viranimus said:
Dear God! Has anybody ever told you that you don't half waffle.
That entire... thesis, could have been condensed to "I troll'd the steam forums insinuating Gaben was a fat loser and his father was a chicken. So they banned my steam account and now I've got serious fury for steam."
Sounds way to specific, and you sound way to hung up on it, for it not to have been a real life experience.
My account is in good standing as it always has been and I have been on the steam forums all of 4 times. Please excuse my ability to use a little descriptive flair when I pull a joke off the top of my head. (which valve would not have such a positive reputation if they banned everyone who said anything negative about Gabe)So No, you are incorrect. Passionately resisting something that is wrong does not mean that I personally felt the effects of how it is wrong. It simply means I can see how it is wrong.
To answer your question. People buy from steam because idiotic fan boys of steam/valve go onto various web forums and profess " I LOVE STEAM FOR ALL THEIR AWESOME SALES" and they inadvertently dupe the highly suggestible and ignorant who read that into thinking Steams sale prices are somehow better than other outlets which I already illustrated its not. So the answer is that a majority of people buy from steam out of sheer ignorance and mob mentality, not out of product research, selective shopping or reading terms of service.
Steam sales prices are not even competitive with other outlets everyday prices.
Also, it does not matter what level it takes to avoid being banned and loosing your investment, its the fact that it is even possible is wrong.
However, I do thank you for elaborating exactly how Steam IS legitimized piracy. You saved me a lot of effort.
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Really? your complaint is that a sentence is too long to pay attention to? Sorry. But screw the TL;DR crowd in this because that is part of my point. People have such short attention spans, low reading comprehension and other lackadaisical patterns of behavior that it is representative as to why these sort of companies get away with this sort of garbage. Its not what the consumers will bear, its the corporations exploiting the mass ignorance of the mass consumer. Valve is not the benevolent gaming benefactor it is perceived a as and to claim as such is a fabrication. I am not saying this is something exclusive to steam as many organizations are pushing for it. I am saying Steam is worse because they are innovating ways to work around the legal system, creating a precedent out of success and giving other organizations ideas on what to emulate and because the consumers repeatedly reward behavior that they cant even perceive how it is screwing them as well as the industry they love, over.
Glademaster said:
I am sorry to requote you, I do not think your promoting these ideas as good ones, but you are indirectly giving them credence by wrongfully claiming that buying a game creates a contract between anyone. There is no such agreement, claiming as such is what I was citing as dangerous because your telling people there IS an agreement created when you buy a physical game and the ONLY entity that believes such an agreement is created is the publisher, which they are wrong too and the law has repeatedly illustrated that.
Proof of purchase is NOT proof of acceptance and regardless what a website ToS or manual from the publisher says, does not make it accurate and portraying it here as such gives people the wrong idea that there is some sort of legal precedent that validates it when the only precedent was written by the publisher. Simply put you cannot have an agreement that you have no proof that both parties agreed to. I dont think you would need to because it is pretty cut and dry, but just ask a lawyer and they will clarify it.
As for alternate OS, SCOTUS would like a word with you on the legality of privilege escalation.
Now, your wrong in that it has always been like this, because it hasnt. Granted its been going on for longer than most people on this forum have even been alive, but again it was not always like this. However your dead on center that the reason it has gotten to this state is because previously ignorant people of my generation allowed prerequisite precedents to pass unchecked, and publishers think "Hey, if they will tolerate this line of bullshit we should try to really up the ante to see what we can get away with." So its the general publics fault we are where we are.
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Beyond all that. Im done with this. Ive said what I needed to say. Granted if history is any indicator it will fall on deaf ears because it gets drowned out by the noise of "I CAN GET FALLOUT NV for 5$!!!!" Any points left remaining we will have to agree to disagree because at the moment my time would personally be better spent playing some non legally bound games instead of writing another thesis.
EDIT: also, dont get me wrong. I dont hate steam. I view them as a ness. evil sometimes (especially for anything from valve, and increasingly from bethesda), but I wont ignore the evils they are guilty of either.
