Stem cells have cured an HIV+ patient

[derelict]

Mmmm, stem cell research. The favorite stomping ground of the media retarded. Fun facts to follow, on average a woman has a period once a month (not always like clockwork as some ladies will attest), spends the whole week or so using and trashing the sanitary complement of their choice. They're throwing their would-be children in the garbage can. These same women go to protest stem cell research, maybe even the same day if they're not too strung up in cramps and whatnot.

Let me re-iterate that. They throw away their would-be children and then protest the use of fetuses in stem cell research. Derp!

I would also say that men don't really have any rights to even push their opinion, it's not like they're host to the babies in question.

It's all tree-hugging nonsense to me. A fetus nobody was planning on using anyway and would otherwise get dropped in the trash inside a tampon or something can cure cancer or all sorts of other things. Where's the downside here?

 

[Tdc2182]

You reported me for disagreeing with you? Are you kidding me?

No, Like I have said, I have reported you for flaming. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, but if you are blatantly trying to ostracize a religious group and claim that they are the soul society trying to ban this, you will face consequences (hopefully).

There is a rather large religious group on this site and I am quite sure they don't take kindly to your claims.

Edit: Also, who are we suppose to blame is not what this thread is asking.

If you want to go bash some religious folk, go to the Religion and Government forum of the Escapist, far away from us.

 

[Tdc2182]

I think he is politely telling you to shut up, and to not pick a religious flame fight over this topic.

I think the problem is that he is trying to make it a religious flame and she is pointing out that not all religious people are against stem cell, seriously though, I believe in God, but, if it's here for us on Earth I'm all for it. God put it here for a reason, put the mother F***er to work. I am however not for the whole slaughter sale of unborn children. The world is however a little over populated and if some dumb teenage girl couldn't keep her legs closed and wants to kill her child then go for it (OH SNAP, A religious guy for abortion(Fuck off)). I do however see a line between a farm and abortion.

Well, Abortion is a tricky subject for me seeing how girls who don't keep their legs shut aren't exactly the only ones in need of abortion.

Yeah, they are idiots, but isn't it better than letting them raise the child?

 

[Cocamaster]

Fun facts to follow, on average a woman has a period once a month (not always like clockwork as some ladies will attest), spends the whole week or so using and trashing the sanitary complement of their choice. They're throwing their would-be children in the garbage can. These same women go to protest stem cell research, maybe even the same day if they're not too strung up in cramps and whatnot.

Another funny fact?

Eggs are not embryos; they don't hold the entire DNA of a human being. Nether does sperm, in case you try to use that same argument against men.

Embryos are human beings; eggs and sperm is not. Almost no biologist will argue this.

You'll have better luck with the "human consciousness" argument.

And for the record: I'm not necessarily against embryonic stem cell research, but some extraction methods do bother me.

 

[Keela]

I think he is politely telling you to shut up, and to not pick a religious flame fight over this topic.

Too bad. It's a legitimate point. It's not religion flaming.

Both my parents are Christian. They both believe in Stem Cell research.

My Aunt is also a Christian. She too believes in Stem Cell research. Your point is moot.

And it is Religious flaming, seeing how more than two people have already told you to quit it. Give it up, you aren't doing anything other than pissing off the community.

I can name far more than the four that have been brought up that are both, but that's irrelevant. I'm not saying all religious people are against stem cell research. I'm saying the vast majority of those against it are religious. Religious people ARE the blockade, no matter how many of your personal family members don't fit that mold. And the point of discussions is not to make people feel good, but even if it were, presuming that the entire community is enraged because a few people disagree does not make it flaming. I'm not going to change my views because someone online disagreed with them. That's not how this works.

Wow, you little rebel you.

You have been warned, and I am quite sure I am not the only one to have reported you. Good luck.

You reported me for disagreeing with you? Are you kidding me?

I too find your points to be a bit on the hard-headed side. You do seem to be using the term "religious people" a bit broadly. I think that "those religious folk who have interpreted the writings in which they believe to be against such things as stem-cell research" would have worked a bit better. It's all about being specific. I could say that North Koreans are amoral, but there are always those who disagree with the current system and who do reside in the country. It's just not really fair to the minority of a group of people when you group them together with the majority.

 

[loremazd]

I think he is politely telling you to shut up, and to not pick a religious flame fight over this topic.

I think the problem is that he is trying to make it a religious flame and she is pointing out that not all religious people are against stem cell, seriously though, I believe in God, but, if it's here for us on Earth I'm all for it. God put it here for a reason, put the mother F***er to work. I am however not for the whole slaughter sale of unborn children. The world is however a little over populated and if some dumb teenage girl couldn't keep her legs closed and wants to kill her child then go for it (OH SNAP, A religious guy for abortion(Fuck off)). I do however see a line between a farm and abortion.

Well, Abortion is a tricky subject for me seeing how girls who don't keep their legs shut aren't exactly the only ones in need of abortion.

Yeah, they are idiots, but isn't it better than letting them raise the child?

Look, I'm not trying to get all PC up on you in this, but please knock it off with the "Those dirty sluts are the problem." It takes two to tango, bud, just because she is slapped with the consequences doesn't make the blame rest solely on her.

 

[TaboriHK]

I too find your points to be a bit on the hard-headed side. You do seem to be using the term "religious people" a bit broadly. I think that "those religious folk who have interpreted the writings in which they believe to be against such things as stem-cell research" would have worked a bit better. It's all about being specific. I could say that North Koreans are amoral, but there are always those who disagree with the current system and who do reside in the country. It's just not really fair to the minority of a group of people when you group them together with the majority.

Read the entire thread. I assumed people followed what I meant specifically but clarified further.

 

[TaboriHK]

You reported me for disagreeing with you? Are you kidding me?

No, Like I have said, I have reported you for flaming. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, but if you are blatantly trying to ostracize a religious group and claim that they are the soul society trying to ban this, you will face consequences (hopefully).

There is a rather large religious group on this site and I am quite sure they don't take kindly to your claims.

Edit: Also, who are we suppose to blame is not what this thread is asking.

If you want to go bash some religious folk, go to the Religion and Government forum of the Escapist, far away from us.

Funny, everyone else who disagreed with me was able to have a reasonable discussion about it but you. It's not my fault you aren't interested in having an actual discussion.

 

[Mr.Mattress]

... Okay, anything that ever made me wish to not use stem cells dramatically (I mean, you are using a Dead Babies Cells, but whatever) is gone! If this thing can cure not only Diabetes (which I have) and Cancer, but HIV, then screw the fact that it's Dead babies. IT CAN CURE HIV! AND PROBABLY AIDS! WHY THE HELL WOULD WE NOT USE THIS? I am a Christian, and I think God would rather you help the living then care for the not-yet-living. Stem Cells will help the gosh darned living! We need this! The world needs this!

 

[Tdc2182]

You reported me for disagreeing with you? Are you kidding me?

No, Like I have said, I have reported you for flaming. It doesn't matter if you agree with me or not, but if you are blatantly trying to ostracize a religious group and claim that they are the soul society trying to ban this, you will face consequences (hopefully).

There is a rather large religious group on this site and I am quite sure they don't take kindly to your claims.

Edit: Also, who are we suppose to blame is not what this thread is asking.

If you want to go bash some religious folk, go to the Religion and Government forum of the Escapist, far away from us.

Funny, everyone else who disagreed with me was able to have a reasonable discussion about it but you. It's not my fault you aren't interested in having an actual discussion.

Funny, cause I never said I agreed with you or disagreed with you. You seem to have problems with "dropping it before it gets too out of control", don't you?

 

[PunkRex]

Stem Cells, is there anything they can't do?

 

[PunkRex]

Stem cells save lives. fact. yet people area against them?

so theres another reason why religion need to GTFO of modern society.

But it all boils down to...save one and kill one before it knows whats going on....or let one die and let one be born...

And...lets face it women will get pregnant JUST to kill the baby

I agree... sort of. Im one of the few people I know thats abit shaky when it comes to Abortion. Everyone else is either "HELLS YEAH!" or "HEAVENS NO!" and im just kinda "Limbo... maybe" I dont know. Its not really murder but it is denying live.

It would be great if they could genetically engineer sperm and eggs to sort of stop at the stem cell stage, then they could be harvested. Although if your against Stem cells and Abortion then chances are you wont be to keen on this plan either.

DISCLAIMER: When I say "your" and "you" here I dont mean you guy, I just mean in general (Im not actually just trolling).

 

[TaboriHK]

Funny, cause I never said I agreed with you or disagreed with you. You seem to have problems with "dropping it before it gets too out of control", don't you?

At what point did it get 'out of control?'

 

[Tsaba]

I think he is politely telling you to shut up, and to not pick a religious flame fight over this topic.

I think the problem is that he is trying to make it a religious flame and she is pointing out that not all religious people are against stem cell, seriously though, I believe in God, but, if it's here for us on Earth I'm all for it. God put it here for a reason, put the mother F***er to work. I am however not for the whole slaughter sale of unborn children. The world is however a little over populated and if some dumb teenage girl couldn't keep her legs closed and wants to kill her child then go for it (OH SNAP, A religious guy for abortion(Fuck off)). I do however see a line between a farm and abortion.

Well, Abortion is a tricky subject for me seeing how girls who don't keep their legs shut aren't exactly the only ones in need of abortion.

Yeah, they are idiots, but isn't it better than letting them raise the child?

They could always put it up for adoption. This is all on them though, it's truly a moral choice. I for one believe is someone was to get pregnant they would need the father there to also approve of such a thing. It takes 2 to tango hence it should take 2 to sign the paper allowing the abortion.. unless it was rape. If they can get 2 signatures with both present then yes abort the child, but, if she can't remember who's the daddy because she screwed half a dozen guys she made her own bed.

I guess we are slightly getting off topic here, but, yes, stem cells... if they abort a child they have to sign a legal document acknowledging that their aborted child is to be used for the advancement of our race and that they can not claim, sue, what ever for reimbursement that the technology does and the money that is made from it and what ever else you guys could throw in there "legalish."

EDIT: I think I "clarified" my view point a little bit better for you and others, I will agree I came off a little harsh with the first response.... Anyways, Merry Christmas.

 

[Senny]

I'm not opposed to stem cell research. In fact, I think that we should be funding it... heavily. But you do realize that you're basically suggesting that people shouldn't be sad when a woman miscarries, right? Go tell a woman who miscarried that her grief is over the death of a "god damn embryo" that she shouldn't feel compassion for. Let me know how that turns out. I'll foot the hospital bill.

As much as I dislike my first post being part of a flame war...

From what I can recall, bearing in mind I did this last year so my memory is a little fuzzy, the cell removed from embryoes used to generate ESCs is removed during the 8-cell stage of embryo growth. Removing 1 cell from 8 does pretty much kill the foetus and I'm not here to argue "does it or does it not have a soul", by the by. However, an embryo of this size is pretty much unnoticable. You can be 8 cells pregnant and miscarry and not notice, in fact a rather high number of fertilisation events are spontaneously aborted. I have numbers in my notes somewhere; if you'd like me to get them, I will.

My point is comparing it to a miscarriage where the woman has had a chance to feel her baby grow and is aware that it's alive and could have been born doesn't really work in this case.

OT: Wasn't actually aware of this when it was published, which is odd. Need to get back with the literature, I think! Guy seems pretty lucky. Obviously it's not feasible to roll this out as a large-scale treatment, nor will it work for a large number of HIV cases. And, of course, it being a retrovirus a mutation will almost certainly eventually turn up that means it binds to another coreceptor.
Pretty nice for the guy though, I'm sure!

 

[Gudrests]

Stem cells save lives. fact. yet people area against them?

so theres another reason why religion need to GTFO of modern society.

But it all boils down to...save one and kill one before it knows whats going on....or let one die and let one be born...

And...lets face it women will get pregnant JUST to kill the baby

I agree... sort of. Im one of the few people I know thats abit shaky when it comes to Abortion. Everyone else is either "HELLS YEAH!" or "HEAVENS NO!" and im just kinda "Limbo... maybe" I dont know. Its not really murder but it is denying live.

It would be great if they could genetically engineer sperm and eggs to sort of stop at the stem cell stage, then they could be harvested. Although if your against Stem cells and Abortion then chances are you wont be to keen on this plan either.

DISCLAIMER: When I say "your" and "you" here I dont mean you guy, I just mean in general (Im not actually just trolling).

dont worry i understand what your saying....this right here alone can tear a country apart truthfull i dont really think a kid is a kid untill it is born...as in i was born on august 1st...not my parents called the stork 6 months before..so its still a bit strange for me

 

[kouriichi]

A miracle is a one of a kind event.

But miracles can have a lasting effect, that pushes both science, and the world forward.

This may have been a "miracle", but its a huge step forward in treating disease and illness.

 

[derelict]

snip

My bad, I was under the impression that they were using test tube babies or the uterus extraction thing? I can't imagine the extraction is more invasive than a pap smear, and aren't the fetuses only viable for use shortly after conception?

 

[Tdc2182]

Funny, cause I never said I agreed with you or disagreed with you. You seem to have problems with "dropping it before it gets too out of control", don't you?

At what point did it get 'out of control?'

I wouldn't quite say it has gotten to that point yet, but the many posts disagreeing with you and telling you that you have very rash views (which you are all doing very politely Escapees, I applaud you) that don't need to be sprouted here, that is at least pretty major foreshadowing.

I do have other problems with your posts, but that would involve me speaking on behalf of JulianKing, which I don't really feel is appropriate.

 

[Raregolddragon]

Got to love those Germans they make the best stuff.

Best Cars

Best early Motorcycles

Best Automatic guns

Best Wars are with the Germans

They came up with the Shamwow

Lest not forget all the German Scientists we got after WW2 sum of the very best.

Now we have German stem cell tech.

Now if we can just get them working on Jet-packs.