Steve Jobs Has Died

[MercurySteam]

Jobs was an absolutely brilliant marketeer who knew how to play the masses, he made Apple rose from the ashes with that skill. Technological pioneer? Barely, at least not the previous decade or so. He did make the first commercial GUI-interface, that was innovative. That and he made Pixar happen. Thumbs up for that.

He was a visionary, and that rare insight is what made many people sad when his death left a large hole in the industry.

 

[viranimus]

Well, im surprised the thread has been mostly civil.

And apparently the guys over at Google are quite happy about this.

Spoiler

Source: http://deals.woot.com/sellout

 

[DarthFennec]

Im surprisingly upset about this, and I hate Apple, I guess he was just a good person.

Pretty much this.

I don't like Apple. I don't agree with their business practices at all. But this guy had a vision for the future, and he had a passion for what he did, and he chased that until the very end, and if there's anything I can respect in a man it's that.

 

[Wintermoot]

never really cared about him and I think all the things he did are getting a bit overblown by the media(with the exception of making the home computer possible and the invention of the iPod he didn't do anything innovative). Still sad to see a man die in his 50,s.

 

[smudgey]

I didn't say those were good either. But you don't see anywhere near as many people idolising the brands. But yeah, I'd still attack either company because of that. Why did you assume wouldn't? why, in your eyes, does THEIR bad behavior make Apple's similarly bad behavior OK?

And then there's that whole ethics issue. Y'know, about Steve Jobs being extremely aggressive towards his own customers?

Plenty of people idolise those brands, especially in Sony's case. I know people who damn near refuse to buy electronics that don't have a Sony badge on them. Fanboyism isn't exclusive to a single company, it's a human condition. And you talk about bad behaviour, and Jobs being extremely aggressive to his customers, could you provide some examples?

 

[Rblade]

next to an edison, einstein, curie and stein room among others. My university now has a jobs room. Nerds stick with nerds.

I'm not sure if he belongs in that exact list but if you have played a key role in both apple and pixar it's hard to deny you had an amazing impact on the way we enjoy our media

 

[Strazdas]

I guess an apple a day doesnt keep the doctor away afterall.
It is sad that a man has died of course, but thats about all i cna say about him.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Jobs was an absolutely brilliant marketeer who knew how to play the masses, he made Apple rose from the ashes with that skill. Technological pioneer? Barely, at least not the previous decade or so. He did make the first commercial GUI-interface, that was innovative. That and he made Pixar happen. Thumbs up for that.

He was a visionary, and that rare insight is what made many people sad when his death left a large hole in the industry.

I just don't like the vision he propagates; to profit from the ignorant with shiny looks and marketing speeches.

 

[ThunderCavalier]

Am I the only one who thinks that is ridiculousness to claim that he has improved the world to the better? I mean, come on. He may was a visionary, but in the end, he just improved a really tiny bit of the world for even an tinier part of the people, and even then he just solved a tiny bit of those make up problems we have in our luxury lives by making our UIs better or helping digital downloads on their way. You know what would have been a real thing to improve the world? If he had chosen to thread those workers at foxcon a bit better, maybe share a half percent of apple yearly turnovers and be a example for social responsibility of cooperation and success, instead of pushing his workers into suicide. I don't really care for Jobs or Apple but his biggest accomplishment was to sell shiny things to people who didn't have anything better to do for their money. No loss for the majority of the world.

Understandable. He truly isn't some kind of revolutionary.

But for what it's worth, he's done a lot more regarding the innovation of technology and whatnot than many other people have in their lifetimes. At the very least, we should show him some respect for that. ... Or at least have the courtesy not to picket his funeral.

 

[Mr.PlanetEater]

Im surprisingly upset about this, and I hate Apple, I guess he was just a good person.

Same here, I guess I just feel a deep respect for the man who managed to make it so I could carry my entire musical collection in my pocket. He truly was a great visionary who tried to make the most absurd concepts practical.

To everyone who says you hate apple products for their incompatibility (walled garden) but respect Steve Jobs, you should note that this entire scheme grew out of Jobs personal ego. He was not a good human being and he helped to shape the trademark and patent trolling that has overwhelmed the technology industry. So I am not sorry he's gone, rather relieved. Trolls are trolls and should not be mourned.

Pray tell, do you happen to carry around your entire musical library in your pocket? Do you own a phone that is essentially a miniature computer? If you answered yes to either of those, then you ought to show a bit more respect for the death of the man who made that possible/viable.

I do realize you can hate Apple, in fact I loathe Apple. But I still feel saddened at the death of Steve Jobs, because he was one of the greatest visionaries and innovators of the techworld, and without him, who knows how different things might have been.

 

[FamoFunk]

Im surprisingly upset about this, and I hate Apple, I guess he was just a good person.

First poster summed me up. He was a very clever Man, he knew what he wanted and what he was doing. For that, I respect him.

 

[ike42]

Im surprisingly upset about this, and I hate Apple, I guess he was just a good person.

Same here, I guess I just feel a deep respect for the man who managed to make it so I could carry my entire musical collection in my pocket. He truly was a great visionary who tried to make the most absurd concepts practical.

To everyone who says you hate apple products for their incompatibility (walled garden) but respect Steve Jobs, you should note that this entire scheme grew out of Jobs personal ego. He was not a good human being and he helped to shape the trademark and patent trolling that has overwhelmed the technology industry. So I am not sorry he's gone, rather relieved. Trolls are trolls and should not be mourned.

Pray tell, do you happen to carry around your entire musical library in your pocket? Do you own a phone that is essentially a miniature computer? If you answered yes to either of those, then you ought to show a bit more respect for the death of the man who made that possible/viable.

I do realize you can hate Apple, in fact I loathe Apple. But I still feel saddened at the death of Steve Jobs, because he was one of the greatest visionaries and innovators of the techworld, and without him, who knows how different things might have been.

Apple did not invent the smartphone or portable mp3 player. Those both existed before them. They may have marketed them, but that doesn't make the invention belong to them. I have never and will never own an Apple product. I will also not give credit to a company for something they didn't invent.

 

[Clonekiller]

When you decide that the prettiness of your product is more important than what your customers think of it, you've made a massive mistake.

Let's put this in perspective. Apple controls both the hardware and software of it's products. So for a Mac PC (yes PC, it's a personal computer) Apple need only work on getting the software stable for a very limited amount of hardware combinations. They'll source a motherboard, most likely from Foxconn, graphics from AMD, Kingston memory, Intel processor etc. So it's all great and good that Mac OS is as stable as it is (apparently, I've had more trouble with SL and Lion than I care to tell). Windows, on the other hand, is built to work with potentially billions of hardware combinations. So if it's not as stable as Mac OS that's tailored to what Apple deem worthy, then it's really no surprise, but still very pleasant that it comes damn near close.

Now, about hacking and viruses. This one's obvious, a more popular OS (Windows currently holds just shy of 90% of the PC market) will attract more hackers and virus creators, because the impact they wish to have with their efforts will be the most profound there. The great thing is, in response to this, you have excellent anti-virus companies like ESET who work to fight these, as well as Windows' built in security features. Most Mac PC users don't install AV software because "Macs don't get viruses". Yet a virus, unless it's a jokey one, will intend to stay as hidden as possible in it's machinations so you don't get rid of it. So do Macs not get viruses, or is the lack of AV software brought about from this false sense of security causing them to not be found? It's a question a pose to many a fanboy, and they never ever have a reasoned response to it (as in nothing outside the marketing hype they're fed by Cupertino).

The experts at the Genius bar are roughly a step up in IQ from a monkey. It took one of them 2 hours to put some new feet on my friends Mac Book Pro. 2 hours. And no, there wasn't a queue either. I don't know a great deal about Macs, but I reckon I could walk into that job with no training (since I build and fix PC's as a hobby anyway).

Oh and by the way, if it wasn't for Microsoft, Apple would have been a failed company right about now. So show them some respect.

Also, further regarding security of said products, see below:

http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/58566-os-x-lion-passwords-vulnerable

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10754730

http://sworddance.com/blog/2009/08/07/mac-osx-the-most-insecure-os-around/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Think-Vista-Is-Insecure-Have-You-Looked-at-Mac-OS-X-Lately-76848.shtml

http://www.zdnet.com.au/mac-os-x-hacked-under-30-minutes-139241748.htm

http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/apple-finally-reacts-to-diginotar-hack-39399

Nice argument. Well put together and well thought out. One flaw: people love Mac because of it's simplicity. By keeping heavy quality control, Mac is probably the easiest to use OS out there. Installing a program is a simple matter of drag-and-drop, updates and compatibility are simple, and even finding new programs is easy curtesy of the App Store (yes, free stuff is found there too). As a result, anyone that either lacks the time or technical know-how to monkey around with their computer tends to love the Mac. (IE, anyone in college or over the age of 40) Don't get me wrong, I use Windows all the time, and it is a very useful system, especially for gaming. However, the fact remains, I spend much less time fixing issues on my mac than I ever did on my windows pc.

P.S. As for the genius bar, the service is free, so who gives a darn if it took 5 minutes or 5 hours? It seems to me that if you encounter an issue with your windows pc, you can either spend the time and try to fix it yourself, or you can drop $50-150 at Office Depot and have it done for you, with not idea on how long it will take. Fact is, Genius is still the best costumer support deal offered by a computer manufacturer.

P.P.S. Of course unprotected Macs are susceptible to hacking. Any fool who thinks he's hack proof just because he's using a mac is just that, a fool. That's why most major anit-hack programs are also available for mac. However, your chances of being hacked are much lower simply because the hacking methods used to enter a windows OS are different from those used to enter a Mac. Not hack proof, but for those who lack technical know-how, hack resistant is a huge plus.

 

[Griffolion]

When you decide that the prettiness of your product is more important than what your customers think of it, you've made a massive mistake.

Let's put this in perspective. Apple controls both the hardware and software of it's products. So for a Mac PC (yes PC, it's a personal computer) Apple need only work on getting the software stable for a very limited amount of hardware combinations. They'll source a motherboard, most likely from Foxconn, graphics from AMD, Kingston memory, Intel processor etc. So it's all great and good that Mac OS is as stable as it is (apparently, I've had more trouble with SL and Lion than I care to tell). Windows, on the other hand, is built to work with potentially billions of hardware combinations. So if it's not as stable as Mac OS that's tailored to what Apple deem worthy, then it's really no surprise, but still very pleasant that it comes damn near close.

Now, about hacking and viruses. This one's obvious, a more popular OS (Windows currently holds just shy of 90% of the PC market) will attract more hackers and virus creators, because the impact they wish to have with their efforts will be the most profound there. The great thing is, in response to this, you have excellent anti-virus companies like ESET who work to fight these, as well as Windows' built in security features. Most Mac PC users don't install AV software because "Macs don't get viruses". Yet a virus, unless it's a jokey one, will intend to stay as hidden as possible in it's machinations so you don't get rid of it. So do Macs not get viruses, or is the lack of AV software brought about from this false sense of security causing them to not be found? It's a question a pose to many a fanboy, and they never ever have a reasoned response to it (as in nothing outside the marketing hype they're fed by Cupertino).

The experts at the Genius bar are roughly a step up in IQ from a monkey. It took one of them 2 hours to put some new feet on my friends Mac Book Pro. 2 hours. And no, there wasn't a queue either. I don't know a great deal about Macs, but I reckon I could walk into that job with no training (since I build and fix PC's as a hobby anyway).

Oh and by the way, if it wasn't for Microsoft, Apple would have been a failed company right about now. So show them some respect.

Also, further regarding security of said products, see below:

http://www.tgdaily.com/security-features/58566-os-x-lion-passwords-vulnerable

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10754730

http://sworddance.com/blog/2009/08/07/mac-osx-the-most-insecure-os-around/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Think-Vista-Is-Insecure-Have-You-Looked-at-Mac-OS-X-Lately-76848.shtml

http://www.zdnet.com.au/mac-os-x-hacked-under-30-minutes-139241748.htm

http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/apple-finally-reacts-to-diginotar-hack-39399

Nice argument. Well put together and well thought out. One flaw: people love Mac because of it's simplicity. By keeping heavy quality control, Mac is probably the easiest to use OS out there. Installing a program is a simple matter of drag-and-drop, updates and compatibility are simple, and even finding new programs is easy curtesy of the App Store (yes, free stuff is found there too). As a result, anyone that either lacks the time or technical know-how to monkey around with their computer tends to love the Mac. (IE, anyone in college or over the age of 40) Don't get me wrong, I use Windows all the time, and it is a very useful system, especially for gaming. However, the fact remains, I spend much less time fixing issues on my mac than I ever did on my windows pc.

P.S. As for the genius bar, the service is free, so who gives a darn if it took 5 minutes or 5 hours? It seems to me that if you encounter an issue with your windows pc, you can either spend the time and try to fix it yourself, or you can drop $50-150 at Office Depot and have it done for you, with not idea on how long it will take. Fact is, Genius is still the best costumer support deal offered by a computer manufacturer.

P.P.S. Of course unprotected Macs are susceptible to hacking. Any fool who thinks he's hack proof just because he's using a mac is just that, a fool. That's why most major anit-hack programs are also available for mac. However, your chances of being hacked are much lower simply because the hacking methods used to enter a windows OS are different from those used to enter a Mac. Not hack proof, but for those who lack technical know-how, hack resistant is a huge plus.

I've genuinely never heard of having to fix issues on a Windows computer; the only time I have is when a member of the family has called me and it's been a hardware problem causing the issue. I have technical know-how, but I simply never run into them. I've gotten far more frustrated using a Mac PC than I have a Windows PC because of how hard it is to use compared to Windows. And it's not just a case of unfamiliarity, it's a case of incredibly illogical design choices. But that's just me. While they've probably made it a lot easier to find and install things as you say, remember Windows Marketplace has been around for a long time before this, doing the exact same thing. The fact of the matter is, for me personally, whenever i have to use a Mac PC, I always come away from it thinking "what's the point of that, i could have done it all quicker on Windows". I'd say one of the few things I find good about Mac OS are the multi-touch gestures for the touch-pad.

PS. You need to remember that often, the Genius bar will not serve you without £60 Apple Care (at least that's what happened to my friend) and that you need to book a time with them quite far in advance. The service itself is a good idea, and probably well executed in some respects, but for a company that charge the amounts they do for their products when there are simply better things out, I actually expect the likes of Genius Bar from them. Also, if you buy a pre-build Windows machine from all the usual places, they offer warranties at the same service level and price as Apple Care. The only difference is that Dell, for instance, does not have B&M stores.

PPS. Totally agree here, but I run into a lot of Mac PC people who think exactly that. And yes there are AV systems there, I know ESET who I mentioned before have one out for them. And yes the hacking methods are different, due to the difference in the systems however I wouldn't say Mac OS is more hack resistant. According to news, quite the opposite. When I made people aware of this, they have all been quite shocked about it. I know that Windows is hack able in a multitude of respects. But this argument here is to try and stop people thinking that Mac PC's are even so much as "hack resistant" as you say. In fact, most hackers actually say that Mac OS is more insecure than Windows (see the bottom link for that).

http://www.zdnet.com.au/mac-os-x-hacked-under-30-minutes-139241748.htm

http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=3306313&pagtype=allchandate

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/092811-mac-os-x-lion-losing-251361.html?hpg1=bn

http://blogs.csoonline.com/1506/apples_mac_os_x_never_had_superior_security

By the way, please don't take any of this personally. I mean absolutely no dis-respect to you; however I'm aware that posting text to a forum lacks such things as tone of voice which can make the difference in thinking I'm being a douche or actually making a true argument.