Stolen Pixels #216: Pull It Down!

[The_root_of_all_evil]

The most stupid part of that whole series ever.

Even topping Midichlorians and Jar-Jar.

If you can TK a Star-Destroyer, why the living hell would you have ever needed the Death Star?

Starkiller here could just force-choke Alderaan.

But yeah Shamus, Star Wars had Vader choking Admiral Kendal Ozzel, Ben Tk'd his saber to his hand; there was a bit of TK during the first movie.

In fact, given that level of TK ability, that trench looks an awful lot like a X-Wing Junkyard now.

 

[thenumberthirteen]

He can move Star Destroyers, but an AT-ST or a Purge Trooper? You're shit out of luck. There are all sorts of weird force powers out there like Sith Battle Mastery that Jacen Solo has in Legacy of the Force.

 

[Rodger]

Forget the size of the Star Destroyer, what about the Star Destroyer's own ability to keep itself in the air? You're dealing with some pretty bigtime engine/repulsor power there. I mean, if a guy can do something like THAT with the force, what the HELL is he doing waving around a flashy glowstick? Is it like Yugioh, only instead of the fate of the world being decided by children's card games, it's lightsaber duels?

"I have enough force power to pull a star destroyer out of the sky, destroy entire fleets with a hyperspace wormhole thingy, or even make an illusionary fleet that's nearly indistinguishable from a real one! I will easily conquer this galaxy! And now... now it's time to d-d-d-d-d-d-d-DUEL! *draws lightsaber*"

By the way, all those things I mentioned? Someone in the EU did, though not all the same individual. That's not even getting into teleportation or time travel, which also appear in the EU list of force powers. Straight-up flight seems to be one of the few things inexplicably barred from force powers. They can levitate, slow falls, but they can't go Superman. Yet. Though I wouldn't be surprised if there's a "Force Bulletproof" ability.

The way the force gets treated these days has turned me off to Star Wars. Or at least turned me off to anything force-related in Star Wars. I'm to the point now where I actually smile during the Order 66 scene...

 

[Whoracle]

Mark my words: Sooner or later, a Jedi is going to be moving a planet around. It is inevitable.

I asked around a little bit, and apparently...

"Moving the core of a star around was done using Naga Sadow's Sith Supernova Spell- yanked the core of a star from it, and threw it in the direction of the enemy fleet."

Not a planet, but close enough to make no difference, methinks.

So, you can go on weeping now, Shamus

 

[IanPrice]

Didn't vader telekinetically choke a dude? Once over a great distance, just by looking at him.

Yep, definitely telekinetic choke, right there in the first movie. Other force powers involved a whole lot of clairvoyant sensing (especially of other force wielders), the classic jedi mind trick, and a little bit of precognition. The second movie had more telekinesis and precognition, less clairvoyance, no jedi mind trick. Third movie, less telekinesis again (though more than in the first movie), but the mind trick was back and the clairvoyant/precognitive/ESP angle was again strong.

 

[Evilsanta]

Darth Vader doesnt have to go super saiyin. But i wonder how he would look if he did...

 

[LaughingAtlas]

Funny thing about shamus's last comment, jedi (sith, really) already have moved planets, according to the books. Apparently, ancient sith were capable of detonating stars with a bit of concentration, but through millenia of fighting and destroying eachother's holocrons, most jedi/sith knowledge was lost. In the prequels, people knew a bit more of what the force was capable of than when luke first picked up a lightsaber, hence the splendid use of it. The force could always do the unbelieveable, it's just a matter of those using it.
/nerd tangeant

EDIT: ninja'd, but nonetheless, thank you, Whoracle.

 

[Tohron]

Without looking, I can infer that there is a TV Tropes page somewhere that describes the tendency of fictional settings to continually ramp up the power level.

Its called Power Creep (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerCreepPowerSeep).

 

[Dirty Apple]

I thought the whole explanation for the difference between original trilogy and second trilogy powers was practice and constant use? Doesn't the second trilogy occur during a time when the institutional training is present to properly teach techniques. And aren't the Jedi taught from the age toddlers? All the other crazy stuff is beyond my want or ability to explain, but I thought the difference between trilogies had always been clear.

 

[thethingthatlurks]

Sweet, it's Dragonball syndrome at its worst. If the series drags on, the bloke will be able to obliterate the entire galaxy by farting...

I actually had a discussion about that with a friend of mine in physics. He was a major SW geek (to the point of wearing shirts and playing KotOR before class), and even he agreed that it's getting ridiculous. It takes the mystery out of it, the vulnerability, and the relatability. Here's how I gauge whether it's still feasible or not: can Sauron pull it off?

 

[Whoracle]

EDIT: ninja'd, but nonetheless, thank you, Whoracle.

Thanks. I had to ask around myself for that

 

[DeadlyYellow]

Didn't Vader telekinetically choke a dude? Once over a great distance, just by looking at him?

Spoiler: Click for the action figure!

Got to love how they included a blaster for him to hold.[/spoiler]
Well he did insult Vader's beliefs.

 

[CitySquirrel]

Spoiler: Click for the action figure!

Got to love how they included a blaster for him to hold.[/spoiler]
Well he did insult Vader's beliefs.[/QUOTE]

Well played, sir.

 

[Kollega]

I think the trope you're looking for is "Lensman Arms Race".

Its called Power Creep (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PowerCreepPowerSeep).

How about Beyond The Impossible, people? Although on the other hand, that one implies author(s) one-upping himself/themselves over the course of the work, VERY VERY OFTEN. So it's probably not the right one.

 

[Niccolo]

You can joke about moving around a planet with the force, but how else do you think the Death Star overcame the disadvantage of being too big to realistically work?

What do you mean by that?

Sure, given the sheer amount of steel required...

Power isn't an issue, neither is travel; I seem to recall reading one of those "Star Wars Cutaway" books and it explained how the Death Star had a giant fusion reactor and a hyperdrive (Probably a reeeaaaaallly big one) in the core.

Though the lasers focusing like that /was/ pretty odd.

 

[Baldry]

Well, regarding a Jedi moving planets around, KotOR2 had a Sith who could murder entire planets with his mind...

Damn ninja'd

Didn't Vader telekinetically choke a dude? Once over a great distance, just by looking at him?

Spoiler: Click for the action figure!

Got to love how they included a blaster for him to hold.[/spoiler]
Well he did insult Vader's beliefs.[/quote]

I find it funny that on the figures box it says "choking hazard" xD

 

[LesIsMore]

I think Yahtzee said it best in the Bioshock 2 review when he pointed out that the Force is essentially "all-purpose plot cavity insulation."

 

[duchaked]

That. Part. Sucked.

It's not enough that you have to deal with attacks while pulling the ship down SLOWLY AS HELL.

But then they make the ship attempt to reset itself as you fight off the attackers.

AGREED

good lord this part of the game as a pain in the south entrance

honestly...it would've been more epic as a cutscene over this nonsense (or dare I say...extended QTE). as it stands, I was just like "thank god it's over" instead of "whooo I am awesome"

 

[duchaked]

Didn't Vader telekinetically choke a dude? Once over a great distance, just by looking at him?

Spoiler: Click for the action figure!

Got to love how they included a blaster for him to hold.[/spoiler]
Well he did insult Vader's beliefs.[/quote]

I find it funny that on the figures box it says "choking hazard" xD[/quote]

tee hee
(I feel like such a Star Wars geek)
hey a toddler can choke on that blaster, they need to put the warning on the back somewhere lol