Stolen Pixels #216: Pull It Down!
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The reason for this is that it is REALLY hard to portray the true power of the force. (That sounded... INCREDIBLY nerdy) Yoda, with his "the shroud of the dark side has fallen, begun the clone wars have" thing, is the closest.
The force isn't really about flashy lightsaber combat or tearing things down, it's about the power of the mind. One thing you miss in the movies a lot is that a lightsaber duel is at LEAST as much in the mind as in the body. They are predicting and secondguessing each other all the time, trying to predict what the opponent is going to do. Actually, I can see this in the SWTOR trailers (Blur studios is awesome)... though there is no way they'll be able to pull it off in the actual game.
The force isn't really about flashy lightsaber combat or tearing things down, it's about the power of the mind. One thing you miss in the movies a lot is that a lightsaber duel is at LEAST as much in the mind as in the body. They are predicting and secondguessing each other all the time, trying to predict what the opponent is going to do. Actually, I can see this in the SWTOR trailers (Blur studios is awesome)... though there is no way they'll be able to pull it off in the actual game.
Please tell me that I'm not the only one who read that in Hugo Weaving's voice.
Great comic, by the way. The Super Saiyan joke, I can tell, just had to be in there.
I hate to cut down your rather adequate ideas, which would've been excellent had they been in the movie, but - they weren't in it, so it's still a plot hole. We can theorise all we want to pretend that a plot hole is filled, but the reality is that a writer's goof or inconsistency is what it is. It can be written in later, it can be retroactively continuity'd in a director's cut, but it will never, ever be fixed. Movies are horribly permanent like that.Jaqen Hghar said:
Let's see:
Dorsk 81 TK pushed Daala's fleet several light years away from Yavin, with the help of about 8-10 other apprentices and died doing it;
Corran Horn has weak TK but can absorb energy like blasters, heat, etc and redirect it INTO TK, force illusions, etc;
Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron PUSH black holes when fighting the Yuuzhan Vong;
Jacen Solo does some sort of Battle Meditation, Flow Walking(time travel sort of. More like time viewing), and some other crazy crap.
My favourite though, when Luke pins Jacen to a Star Destroyer chair and crushes the chair into the floor by tapping his finger.
In the EU, it seems that a Jedi's power is in relation to his "faith" in the Force.
Dorsk 81 TK pushed Daala's fleet several light years away from Yavin, with the help of about 8-10 other apprentices and died doing it;
Corran Horn has weak TK but can absorb energy like blasters, heat, etc and redirect it INTO TK, force illusions, etc;
Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron PUSH black holes when fighting the Yuuzhan Vong;
Jacen Solo does some sort of Battle Meditation, Flow Walking(time travel sort of. More like time viewing), and some other crazy crap.
My favourite though, when Luke pins Jacen to a Star Destroyer chair and crushes the chair into the floor by tapping his finger.
In the EU, it seems that a Jedi's power is in relation to his "faith" in the Force.
I can't stand the Expanded Universe anymore. They killed off a character that wasn't really theirs, and they constantly make the Jedi super powerful. You can argue that in the movies they did get extremely more and more powerful but they had at least an excuse, in a way. You can tell that fighting the clone wars has made the Jedi ALOT more powerful then they once were.
I mean,even Yoda couldn't originally see through Palpy's dark side veil and then by Episode III even Obi Wan could sense it. The movies never made the Jedi super extremely powerful, even if a little unstoppable, but it was something I could take in stride. The EU novels just went crazy.
I mean,even Yoda couldn't originally see through Palpy's dark side veil and then by Episode III even Obi Wan could sense it. The movies never made the Jedi super extremely powerful, even if a little unstoppable, but it was something I could take in stride. The EU novels just went crazy.
And don't forget Vader TKing machinery out of the wall right before the big twist with Luke in Empire, without the hand gestures used by Luke, Dooku or even Yoda. Of course I bring proof:The_root_of_all_evil said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iQwIJO16ms
3:20 - 4:00
OT, it's easier and therefore cheaper and therefore wiser to just make things "bigger" therefore "better" rather than spending the time to script something that is actually interesting. Sucks, but it's a fact, some people just draw more attention to it than others.
Oh I just remembered. Jedi can time travel in the force, change the past, and see the future. Jedi are Hacks
The power levels of Jedi were all over the place depending on the medium and when it was released.
If you want to talk really stupid Jedi/Sith tricks several friends of mine once worked out that the more powerful TOTJ-era characters could reflect a Death Star-style superlaser blast with a lightsaber.
The Dark Empire Novels had Luke crushing an AT-AT with just TK in one of the opening scenes.
The early EU-Novels went out of their way to neuter Skywalker's ability with the force through some contrived plot device. The best was probably the Yilsaminairi (sp?) from the Thrawn novels. This was largely thrown out by the time of the Jedi Academy Triology. However, the Yuuzang Vong were basically setup as "Anti-Jedi" (No presence in the force, lightsaber resistant weapons and armor)
The Jedi Knight games made force powers a little more saner for a normal people to process. They had extended jumps, they could TK powerups to them, the mind trick was basically stealth, etc. At the same time this also made Force Powers much more casual.
Here's my take on the force in the Prequel and "Post-Prequel" (as in everything that came after the Prequels in "our" universe) they're taking the approcach that the force is something that should be able to be converted into a game (video, RPG, minis), with all of the really "uber-Force" stuff being either cutscenes or one-time QTEs.
I seriously doubt we'll get to DBZ levels of stupidity now that Lucas is much more active in pushing Star Wars they it was in the Post-Jedi/Pre-Special Editions-era.
If you want to talk really stupid Jedi/Sith tricks several friends of mine once worked out that the more powerful TOTJ-era characters could reflect a Death Star-style superlaser blast with a lightsaber.
The Dark Empire Novels had Luke crushing an AT-AT with just TK in one of the opening scenes.
The early EU-Novels went out of their way to neuter Skywalker's ability with the force through some contrived plot device. The best was probably the Yilsaminairi (sp?) from the Thrawn novels. This was largely thrown out by the time of the Jedi Academy Triology. However, the Yuuzang Vong were basically setup as "Anti-Jedi" (No presence in the force, lightsaber resistant weapons and armor)
The Jedi Knight games made force powers a little more saner for a normal people to process. They had extended jumps, they could TK powerups to them, the mind trick was basically stealth, etc. At the same time this also made Force Powers much more casual.
Here's my take on the force in the Prequel and "Post-Prequel" (as in everything that came after the Prequels in "our" universe) they're taking the approcach that the force is something that should be able to be converted into a game (video, RPG, minis), with all of the really "uber-Force" stuff being either cutscenes or one-time QTEs.
I seriously doubt we'll get to DBZ levels of stupidity now that Lucas is much more active in pushing Star Wars they it was in the Post-Jedi/Pre-Special Editions-era.