The two things I heard about Brink the day it was launched: It's a throw-away single player and there aren't females.
You're missing the point. Gameplay is what's important, not the genitalia of the avatar you're playing or the sex of the people you're interacting with. Why would you make a superficial customization issue something that overrides the fun a game provides?Lucane said:That isn't the point it's that if the gender of say Call of Duty Black Ops was switched to be an all female cast(or mostly if the original had a few women as NPCs) a decent number of men would object to it and/or refuse to buy/play it regardless of quality because they aren't represented.Any current FPS makers could easily make their next game in a series switch gender balance but they likely won't because they know it would hurt sales even with brand recognition.Irony said:That doesn't really solve the problem. It'd still be a one gender game and people would complain about that.lesterley said:So the idea of making a game with all FEMALE characters is completely incomprehensible?
Have you ever payed(Note: it's not missing a "L") for a game that let you customize your character's appearance but only had female designs to pick from?DannibalG36 said:Um... why? Does it matter? Since when did women become so damn sensitive? Just play as a guy. It doesn't matter if the avatar you kill has a digital vagina - they're still dead. Have fun.
Lol, no. No feminist I have ever met or heard of has a problem with thin/athletic people. That would even be out there for 99% of this page: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/StrawFeministRUINER ACTUAL said:I almost think they didn't include female body types to avoid another type of persecution. Its a lot easier to just say it was a resource decision than deal with the attacks from feminists groups saying the "light" body type is bad imagery for girls. Dumb shit like that.
Yeah, Portal and Portal 2 are sure taking serious sales hits for having a female protagonist.Agayek said:From a business perspective, yea it is. The vast majority of FPS fans are males in the 18-30 demographic. Thus, they will attempt to appeal to that market, and a significant portion of that market is insecure in themselves enough to refuse to play as women.lesterley said:So the idea of making a game with all FEMALE characters is completely incomprehensible?
Well, if you get a game set in a war zone or with a resistence force in a country where women are second class, then yeah of course it's understandable.Zhukov said:Yeah, because every other online FPS has female characters.
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Oh wait.
*shrug*
I kind of get why people are annoyed, but I fail to see why they are picking on Brink specifically.
I never see women at my local Thunderdome.Soylent Dave said:Which horrifying dystopia do you live in?poiumty said:No, just implausible. Women don't usually go shoot eachother for sport.lesterley said:So the idea of making a game with all FEMALE characters is completely incomprehensible?
Because men don't usually shoot each other for sport in mine.
(not that it isn't still a horrifying dystopia of course...)
First off, Portal is a vastly different beast from Brink.Kahunaburger said:Yeah, Portal and Portal 2 are sure taking serious sales hits for having a female protagonist.
That's because they're operating it all behind the scenes - it's a well-known fact that a certain Ms. Turner is the majority shareholder in Thunderdomes Incorporated.Grey Carter said:I never see women at my local Thunderdome.Soylent Dave said:Which horrifying dystopia do you live in?poiumty said:No, just implausible. Women don't usually go shoot eachother for sport.lesterley said:So the idea of making a game with all FEMALE characters is completely incomprehensible?
Because men don't usually shoot each other for sport in mine.
(not that it isn't still a horrifying dystopia of course...)
And we all know that business decisions about game content are always correct?Agayek said:First off, Portal is a vastly different beast from Brink.Kahunaburger said:Yeah, Portal and Portal 2 are sure taking serious sales hits for having a female protagonist.
Second, there's a larger percentage of customers that would prefer to play men over women, when presented with the choice. Hence, it makes greater business sense that if you must choose one, go for men over women. That's all this is, a business decision.
I never said it was a correct or just decision. Someone asked why there's no women, I gave the most likely reason behind such a thing. Numbers speak, and they wanted to capture the biggest market share they could.Kahunaburger said:And we all know that business decisions about game content are always correct?
I certainly think that's how the people making the decision felt - playing it safe, etc. Although, has an all-female shooter even been tried? Honestly, I'd guess that buzz about the gameplay would supersede buzz about the gender of the characters, as it did in Portal and Mirror's Edge.Agayek said:I never said it was a correct or just decision. Someone asked why there's no women, I gave the most likely reason behind such a thing. Numbers speak, and they wanted to capture the biggest market share they could.Kahunaburger said:And we all know that business decisions about game content are always correct?
Well then, if they believe that, they might want to rethink their design. A visual style that does a poor job of portraying half the human population is not really a good one. What if they want to do sequels with women?Wow they sure are generous with the usernames said:Just so you know, they specifically announced that they won't be having female characters and that it was a specific design decision, not just an oversight or anything. They felt female character models wouldn't fit in with the design style they chose for their game.
Yeah, like The Witcher, where everyone with LESS than double D breasts was a fat guy merchant..WanderingFool said:Ummm... okay, this might seem weird to someone, but is anybody else actually sick of seeing large breasts on female characters? Cause im literally bored with the image of large breast now...michaelknives52 said:-snip
YES!!! Pretty much because a larger portion of the video game community is comprised of males and thats the target demographic and the majority of games are created by male developers. Yes sexism still exists. Call of duty would look pretty silly with females running around shooting gus with double D sized breasts... that only makes sense in fighting games like dead or alive or mortal kombat. Perhap you can create a game that is comprised of females with normal sized chests... and watch you company burn to ashs and fail
Not to be a jerk about this but theres three standard character models in Brink. Light, Medium, and Heavy. The heavy model is like a massive tank. To balance play the female version would need to the be same size. That would be hilarious at least.Shamus Young said:Stolen Pixels #258: Where the Boys Are
Who needs women? Not Brink, apparently.
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