stop World War 2 in as few steps as possible
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Kill Osman I, he may be innocent, but without him: no Ottoman empire, no one to defend Balkan from Austro-Hungaria, ultimately no "Mlada Bosna", no Gavrilo Princip, no assassination of Franz Ferdinand, no WW1, no WW2
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Kill Osman I, he may be innocent, but without him: no Ottoman empire, no one to defend Balkan from Austro-Hungaria, ultimately no "Mlada Bosna", no Gavrilo Princip, no assassination of Franz Ferdinand, no WW1, no WW2
Let Germany take over Europe, China, the communists their own piece of Asia and Europe. That should buy America enough time to build a shitload of nukes. Proceed to nuke EVERYTHING. There, no more humans, no more world war 2.
What, you just said we had to stop the war...
What, you just said we had to stop the war...
You seem to be suggesting that Kaiser Wilhelm was the sole cause of World War 1, which is blatantly inaccurate - if you had to narrow it down to the single largest contributing factor, that'd be Nationalism. So, don't kill Kaiser Wilhelm - kill that goddamn Nationalism guy! It's HIS fault!The Unworthy Gentleman said:
Most likely. However, I doubt that they would ever be able to maintain a war on two fronts like Germany managed to do (twice for that matter). While Germany offered Austria support, it was more the other way round when it all kicked off as far as I understand it. That would never progress into a World War anyway and would mean that Germany didn't have to deal with too much reparations and the lack of the Ruhr and the economic crisis and the Weimar government/constitution and the poor handling of the Wall Street Crash and the rise of the two extremes and the Third Reich and the Second World War and quite possibly the Cold War.zombie711 said:
You see where I'm coming from at least.
Actually, by killing the Kaiser before he came to power then the alliance with Austria would have been avoided and therefore so would WW1. It's over simplified to fuck, I know, but you don't need to be a pretentious and say nobody knows what they're talking about but you. Get off your high horse.Elcarsh said:
Not really, there's also the alliances linked all over the place to consider. What I'm saying is that without the link between Austria and Germany then Germany would not have gotten involved in the whole affair. It's presumptuous, to say the least, but you can't get bogged down in every single possibility.SonicKoala said:
The alliances were formed with self-preservation in mind, something which was spawned by the profound senses of nationalism inherent in every major European power at the dawn of the 20th century. Practically every powerful nation in Europe at the time believed they were special, and they were not about to let *insert name of competing European power here* compromise that.The Unworthy Gentleman said:
I'm just talking about the LARGEST contributing factor, mind you - yes, there are others to examine, but if you examine Europe prior to World War 1, and the various motivating factors behind the major decisions of nations like Britain, Germany, Russia, France, etc., it becomes quite clear that Nationalism is playing a key role almost every step of the way.
Impossible. There is no way, because the way things were in Europe during the late 1800s/early 1900s, WW1 was inevitable. And it was the fallout from that which led to the events that later caused WW2. The only way to stop WW2 from ever happening would be to somehow reduce the bad impact of the fallout from WW1 (which would be exceptionally difficult and require a massive in-depth knowledge of the world economy in the Twenties and Thirties), or to stop WW1 itself, which is also impossible because there were too many issues to deal with. To everyone saying "kill Kaiser Wilhelm" or "save Franz Ferdinand", that wouldn't have prevented WW1 either, because the countries involved were already at each others throats, that was simply the straw that broke the camel's back. All those ideas would do would be to delay the war slightly, maybe by a few weeks, or months (years is pushing it much too far).
So when you look at the history and the situation, there is no reasonable way that either war could have been prevented. Sad, but true.
So when you look at the history and the situation, there is no reasonable way that either war could have been prevented. Sad, but true.
Wouldn't do much. Hitler, while of course played a big part, was not really the only reason, if you would shoot him there would be another one. You need to remember the Weimar Republic situation and how nationalist party even got to power. It would happen even without Adolf.The87Italians said:
Then again WW2 was such mix of various events that it was pretty much unavoidable. You had Joseph Stalin tranforming Russia into Soviet Union after the Bolshevik revolution, Italy led by Benito Mussolini meddling in Ethiopia which France somewhat agreed to, the Spanish Civil War which was another nationalist insurection in Europe, supported by both Italy and Germany, tension between China and Japan that led to Japan invasion and of course economy situation that made it easier for radical movements to gain power.
On top of that was also the whole affair with League of Nations. When Stalin showed off the military strength of Soviet Union the west got a bit scared. Despite what was happening in Germany they refused to signed the treaty that France tried to push, with Soviet Union, afraid that it would allow Stalin to push against Europe later on. Instead they closed their eyes when Germany annexed Austria and even supported Hitler's claim for part of Czechoslovakia, hoping that he would be counter balance for the Soviet Union. Sadly it didn't go as planned as soon after Germany and Soviet Union signed the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
So, to actually have any chance of stopping WW2 you would have stop Bolshevik revolution, Spanish civil war, unification of China, invasion of Ethiopia and make League of Nations grow some balls...
that would require america Flying over every major city and port which are gaurded by the most powerful countries in the world and bomb them, and doing this all at the same time so that no one is left to stop America. And how is Russia going to take over Asia if Germany is Attacking Russia. China cant beat japan.Electrohydra said:
Well I believe that trumps me. I haven't studied Europe during the period leading up to the First World War as much as the effects of the war and the ensuing disaster that would turn out to be the Third Reich and later the Cold War. I'm merely using basic knowledge of WW1 and its causes right now, I figure stop that and you stop WW2.SonicKoala said:
well you could still let the spanish have their civil war, it doesnt affect WW2 very much besides give italy and germany a little war practice. Perhapse you could kill Peter the great to stop Russia from evolving, thus causing the balkans to be less threatening. But this might allow Napolean to take over Russia, though that might not do very much.Keava said:
Here are my laughably-poorly-researched thoughts.
To prevent the Pacific war, I think I'd have to stop the macho imperialism way of thinking in post-Restoration Japan. Guys, the samurai looked cool and all, but the rest of the world doesn't accept chopping off heads to get your way. Once they come around to the idea that just because invading the mainland didn't work for Toyotomi doesn't mean it won't work for them, then I think that problem will be mostly solved.
I could prevent the Weimar hyperinflation. When France occupied the Ruhr (Germany's industrial heartland), the German government ordered the workers into a general strike to prevent France from benefiting, which had the knock-on effect of destabilizing Germany's economy and having them miss yet another reparations payment. If those factory workers weren't ordered to strike, the hyperinflation may be reduced or eliminated. Without that economic disaster, the nationalist fervor won't have some of its biggest ammunition.
Dammit, I am a terrible alt-historian.
To prevent the Pacific war, I think I'd have to stop the macho imperialism way of thinking in post-Restoration Japan. Guys, the samurai looked cool and all, but the rest of the world doesn't accept chopping off heads to get your way. Once they come around to the idea that just because invading the mainland didn't work for Toyotomi doesn't mean it won't work for them, then I think that problem will be mostly solved.
I could prevent the Weimar hyperinflation. When France occupied the Ruhr (Germany's industrial heartland), the German government ordered the workers into a general strike to prevent France from benefiting, which had the knock-on effect of destabilizing Germany's economy and having them miss yet another reparations payment. If those factory workers weren't ordered to strike, the hyperinflation may be reduced or eliminated. Without that economic disaster, the nationalist fervor won't have some of its biggest ammunition.
Dammit, I am a terrible alt-historian.