It's quite similar to how the Sith were once a species but they died out and it became an ideal.
Stormtroopers, Mandalorians and the Fett Family
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Genetics do help with physique and things such as that but you also must remember training. The Mandalorians received at minimum two decades of the harshest possible training while the Stormtroopers only trained for something like seven. Also the regime they followed changes their effectiveness greatly. Armour also changes things, the Mandalorians wearing enough armor for a Baneblade while Stormtroopers get mass-produced plasticy looking armor.
Mandalorians carry heavily customized heavy weapons while stormtroopers get the standard Blaster Rifle.
Culture also affects the way they work as a unit, the Stormtroopers being disciplined but missing the initiative and personality of Mandalorians, who approach every war problem at every tactical angle and with open minds.
Numbers and expendability, Mandalorians considering themselves indestructible killing machines but still using cover effectively while Stormtroopers walk at you in a straight line.
Edit: A teenager who is pretty good with a blaster can kill a dozen Stormtroopers.
He couldn't scratch a single Mandalorian.
Also Mandalorians use extensive cloaking and stealth techniques, while storm troopers do have squads specifically trained for that, the Mandalorians integrate it into all their battles, not just a few stealth and sabotage operations.
Mandalorians carry heavily customized heavy weapons while stormtroopers get the standard Blaster Rifle.
Culture also affects the way they work as a unit, the Stormtroopers being disciplined but missing the initiative and personality of Mandalorians, who approach every war problem at every tactical angle and with open minds.
Numbers and expendability, Mandalorians considering themselves indestructible killing machines but still using cover effectively while Stormtroopers walk at you in a straight line.
Edit: A teenager who is pretty good with a blaster can kill a dozen Stormtroopers.
He couldn't scratch a single Mandalorian.
Also Mandalorians use extensive cloaking and stealth techniques, while storm troopers do have squads specifically trained for that, the Mandalorians integrate it into all their battles, not just a few stealth and sabotage operations.
Continuity has been restored: The original stormtroopers were clones. These guys would've fought for maybe 20 years (at which point they'd be the equivalent of 60) and thus retired almost entirely by the events of A New Hope. As such, practically all stormies and pilots seen in the original three films are non-clones (with perhaps a few select squads that are) sourced from numerous planets.
The Manda-trained stormies (mostly ARCs and Commandos) do not just have superior equipment but superior training and a stronger sense of self. Combined with their very close relationship with their brothers, they become highly dangerous individuals, prone to NOT following orders. This is why by the time of A New Hope, no more ARCs or commandos are seen - they've either disappeared or been 'disappeared'.
Why didn't the Emperor (and Wompa, I love you for mixing Emperors) have more clones produced? Because he couldn't replicate the cloning method the Kaminoans could. Methods existed for fast-growing clones - but they all produced mentally unstable individuals (this is alluded to in the Thrawn trilogy and further expanded upon in the Hand of Thrawn dualogy) which the Emperor could not figure out the reason for. He needed his troops regardless, and was in such terror of his own mortality (hence his other cloning attempts to make extra bodies for himself) that he instead devoted his energies to lengthening his life rather than imprinting his will on otherwise-unstable troops.
Had the Emperor kept Thrawn in known space, the Rebellion's attempts would've gone rather differently, but then again, the Yuuzhan Vong would not have found a fractured galaxy clutched within civil war either.
The Manda-trained stormies (mostly ARCs and Commandos) do not just have superior equipment but superior training and a stronger sense of self. Combined with their very close relationship with their brothers, they become highly dangerous individuals, prone to NOT following orders. This is why by the time of A New Hope, no more ARCs or commandos are seen - they've either disappeared or been 'disappeared'.
Why didn't the Emperor (and Wompa, I love you for mixing Emperors) have more clones produced? Because he couldn't replicate the cloning method the Kaminoans could. Methods existed for fast-growing clones - but they all produced mentally unstable individuals (this is alluded to in the Thrawn trilogy and further expanded upon in the Hand of Thrawn dualogy) which the Emperor could not figure out the reason for. He needed his troops regardless, and was in such terror of his own mortality (hence his other cloning attempts to make extra bodies for himself) that he instead devoted his energies to lengthening his life rather than imprinting his will on otherwise-unstable troops.
Had the Emperor kept Thrawn in known space, the Rebellion's attempts would've gone rather differently, but then again, the Yuuzhan Vong would not have found a fractured galaxy clutched within civil war either.
What'd I do? Exactly! About the clones messing up by the way. I remember reading that. Also I think the rate of Clones was 1 full year equals seven for them, or something close to that.BlueMage post=18.70854.708085 said:
)))>---Here's something to discuss: Why were all imperial soldiers human? I don't remember anything about racism (specieism?) being mentioned throughout the films or the books I've read.
More humans available perhaps? Though in the films I'd probably put it down more due to it being cheaper on costume production. It'd be weird if the entire Empire's armed forces was made up of only humans when there are plenty of smart 'aliens' (can you really call them aliens in Star Wars?) who'd be willing to take up the position.
Here's what i know......the casualty rate for stormtroopers is incredibly high they are sent on the most dangerous assignments, so alot of clones are killed, at the time of the rebellion there is only one fully clone regiment and that is the 501st also known as Vaders Fist, they are the best of the clone troopers,and in film terms were the troopers that acompanied anakin to the jedi temple, and pretty much any battle where Vader was. But by this time the Emperor has started recruiting from civillian populations...well i say "recruiting" i ment abducting and the indocrinating.
alot of them died aboard the first death star as they were allways stationed with vader...i cant be sure but after that there history gets a bit fuzzy. They were the elites of the clone troopers.
Most other stormtroopers are just bog standard humans who have been forced into service.
Oh and as to the only human crewmen part, its widely documented that Palpatine was a sexist and racist......the only officer who wasnt human was Grand Admiral Thrawn, who was as high a rank as he was because he was so good at what he did but stuck in the ass end of space away from everyone seeing him, the only female was Admiral Daala, and she was only where she was becasue she was Tarkins lover......later in the time line the male human only rule is relaxed and any species or sex can join.
alot of them died aboard the first death star as they were allways stationed with vader...i cant be sure but after that there history gets a bit fuzzy. They were the elites of the clone troopers.
Most other stormtroopers are just bog standard humans who have been forced into service.
Oh and as to the only human crewmen part, its widely documented that Palpatine was a sexist and racist......the only officer who wasnt human was Grand Admiral Thrawn, who was as high a rank as he was because he was so good at what he did but stuck in the ass end of space away from everyone seeing him, the only female was Admiral Daala, and she was only where she was becasue she was Tarkins lover......later in the time line the male human only rule is relaxed and any species or sex can join.
I like to think of it this way: Star Wars i amazing, it has so much in it, you can see a thousand different themes and story lines if you want, but if you read in too much you will end up spoiling it for yourself.
First of all draw a line in between the six main movies and everything else. I personally don't like the "Expanded Universe" even though some of it may actually have a better storyline than Star Wars itself (KotoR) it often creates plot holes. I like to keep them separated,viewing them as two different sides of one universe, but that is only how I prefer it.
Second of all if you choose to only look at the movies it has a very simple explanation. They are movies. In the commentary for "The Empire Strikes Back" Irvin Kershner (think that's how you spell it, anyway, the director) comments on how the stormtroopers keep shooting like monkeys with that it was a classic movie gag, the bad guys can't shoot straight while the heroes can. Lucas mentioned something similar in the commentary for "Return of the Jedi", I think Boba's death was intended to be comic effect or something similar and that in hindsight it was a bad move, but also that it is up to the audience whether he survived or not (I think, a while since i watched it).
It pretty much like you said it yourself, It's for effect, if you want to find an explanation within the Star Wars universe to it then go ahead, but I prefer not caring too much.
First of all draw a line in between the six main movies and everything else. I personally don't like the "Expanded Universe" even though some of it may actually have a better storyline than Star Wars itself (KotoR) it often creates plot holes. I like to keep them separated,viewing them as two different sides of one universe, but that is only how I prefer it.
Second of all if you choose to only look at the movies it has a very simple explanation. They are movies. In the commentary for "The Empire Strikes Back" Irvin Kershner (think that's how you spell it, anyway, the director) comments on how the stormtroopers keep shooting like monkeys with that it was a classic movie gag, the bad guys can't shoot straight while the heroes can. Lucas mentioned something similar in the commentary for "Return of the Jedi", I think Boba's death was intended to be comic effect or something similar and that in hindsight it was a bad move, but also that it is up to the audience whether he survived or not (I think, a while since i watched it).
It pretty much like you said it yourself, It's for effect, if you want to find an explanation within the Star Wars universe to it then go ahead, but I prefer not caring too much.
It's Lucas being an idiot.CalamusGary post=18.70854.706042 said:
In the now-infamous line spoken by Obi Wan "Only Stormtroopers are so precise".
Well I checked wookiepedia and that is the accepted canon. Seems like a cop out for someone who didn't plan far enough ahead...Darth Mobius post=18.70854.708604 said:
I think its to do with the Empire not bothering to train them well, as they can make more very easily. So there's no point making them very good.
In this case he is referring to the crippling damage done to the crawler, not their accuracy with blasters, as in: they knew exactly where to hit it to destroy it.Imitation Saccharin post=18.70854.708613 said: