Stormtroopers, Mandalorians and the Fett Family

[Alone Disciple]

Mandalorians are the ancestor of Jango Fett, and he wears the newest model of Mandalore armor, but he himself is not actually a Mandalorian in the sense that he never trained as one. He's one of their people, and a good fighter, but just being from Sparta didn't make one a Spartan warrior, same with Jango.

Um...I think that's a little shaky. Mandalorians are not the ancestor of Jango Fett. The Mandalorians have been around much longer than before Jango was ever born. And Jango isn't Mandalorian by blood...Jango, a human (born on Concord Dawn) was 'adopted' into the Mando culture after his parents were murdered. His mentor (adoptive father) was Jaster Mareel, and Jango served and trained as a Madnolorian for years until after Jaster died.

Dooku groomed Jango through various sets of covert tests to see if the rumors of Jango's tactical prowesw was correct. Once satisfied, Dooku offered Jango a large sum of money to become the template of the clone army...one condition...that he have a untampered with 'son' (Boba) who he would personally train to one day revive the scattered Mandalorians and Jaster's legacy.

To sum up: He is not Mando by blood, but adopted into the culture. He did indeed train as a Mando and served in their forces under the mentorship andtraining of Jaster Mareel.

 

[Masterthief]

In relation to the thread: The clones had their individuality removed, they couldn't really think for themselves. One of the things that made Mandalorians so deadly (based on what I got out of the KotORs) is that they were trained individual, not as an army, each Mandalorian fought for his own glory, and could fight just as well alone as with a force. Clones (and, presumably, Stormtroopers)were only trained to fight as an army, and to follow their superior's orders. No matter what. The fighting ring in KotOR 2 is, I belive, evidence of this, they would happily kill or maim other Mandelorians if they were the only worthy opponent. The clones were just BUILT for war, the Mandelorians LIVE for it.

 

[The_Scourge]

Done some research and this is what I've found according to canon.

Jango Fett was not born a Mandalorian but was orphaned during the Mandalorian Civil War and subsequently adopted by the Mandalorians and more specifically Jaster Mareel. He was trained in their ways and became quite a reputable warior. By the end of the Civil War Jango was pretty much the only surviving Mandalorian thus began his bounty hunting career.

Then came the clone thing where he was determined to be the ideal candidate. Here's where things get complicated. At the start of the clone wars all the troops in the Grand Army were clones but by the end the clone supplies were running thin due to their accelerated growth rate and lack of cooperation from the Kaminoans to make more. By the battle of Yavin the majority of stormtroopers were recruits and by the battle of Endor most of the clones left were those in the 501st, ("An entire legion of my best troops") who were the last legion to be entirely composed of clones.

The reason for their shite aim in the original trilogy was partly due to the fact that the majority were recruits and had not recieved the enhanced training, combat enhancements etc that the clones had and the few remaining clones were becoming old and less battle ready. Inversely this is also the reason the clone troops were so good in the new trilogy.

The reasons behind Palpatine's race(species)-ism is explained somewhere, I can't exactly recall, may have been a comic book but it comes up when Vader sees Wookies being put into slavery, which gets him a little pissed seeing as he used to be a slave and is supposed to have feelings for some reason. Palpatine explains that while slavery of humans is wrong slavery of other species isn't because they're inferior blahdy blahdy blah. The reason he doesn't let women in? I'm pretty sure that's just cause he's a dick.

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

In this case he is referring to the crippling damage done to the crawler, not their accuracy with blasters, as in: they knew exactly where to hit it to destroy it.

Ah! And what quality allowed them to hit those spots, so perfectly to warrant the elimination of every other army in the entire galaxy?

edit:....wait, stormtroopers have guided anti-tank rockets? And that explanation still doesn't make sense

 

[Madrak the Red]

Most people mistake stormtroopers for having having atrocious, even though it is mentioned on several occasions that they are the best of the best. This has caused widespread amusmaent until I and my crack team of reasearchers (mates) manged to thrack down the source of this phenomenon: the awesomeness field and the theory of plotivity.

The awesomeness field is a field that surrounds all living creatures. Based on how awesome a character or person is, it will refract incoming blows and negative effects until it appears that the shots have missed by a narrow margin. It is also known to emit certain wavelengths only picked up by the other sex, who suffer efffects to their brain. This mainly causes them to be come infaturated with the character in question, although it can have other effects, depending on the wavelenghth and frequency of the awesomeness waves. Evil characters usually emit high frequency, low wavelength waves, often causing female characters to hate them. However, if they are emitted above 100 MHz, they are known to cause infaturation. Good characters emit the exact opposite, with waves under 10hz known to cause repulsion.

However, there is a stronger force at work here: the theory of plotivity. This states that certain blows and bullets can penetrate the awesomeness field, causing the character to become wounded. However, this only occurs when plot=dramatic impact over danger squared.

AS an example, in Episode 4, the stormtroopers wipe out the rebel troopers in quick succesion. This is because the troopers had a weak awesomeness field, which was easily penetrated by mild plot rays. However, when main/awesome charcters are fired at, their awesome field refracts the shot. Consequently, the stromtroppers have a weak field, and often encounter strong plot rays, often travelling with humour particles, in an effect known as 'funnisation'.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Stormtroopers ARE a well trained army- certainly not to the crazy standards of the Mandalorian, but they're well trained and rightly feared. It's only in the hands of the movies that they turn into such laughable piles of S***T. It's purely a contrivance for the movie.

What happened to the clones has already been explained by everyone else- they couldn't make anymore because of a lack of the ability to perfect the technoligy, and they couldn't get more out of the Kaminoans. Also, having clone technoligy availible would seem...threatening to the Empire when they outlawed Droid armies for the same reason.

 

[Zeke109]

Ke nu'jurkadir sha mando'ade!

If you were truly mando, you'd know what that meant...

 

[Imitation Saccharin]

Or maybe Lucas didn't think ahead

QFT

 

[Amnestic]

If you were truly mando, you'd know what that meant...

If by "Truly mando" you mean "have a basic grasp of google" then you'd be right.

 

[watchman 2353]

Mandalorians were mainly powered by there huge numbers and superior training. If ou noticed in the games, it is no work for a jedi to plow through a score of them in a few minaauets. For the time period they were amazing. Yet now here are so few of them left. The fetts are only part mandalorian.

Also, it is 20,000 years since then. Are the Ittailians still a military power after 3000 years. No. It is such a long period that it realy dosent mater how good they were in the past.

 

[BlueMage]

Why didn't the Emperor (and Wompa, I love you for mixing Emperors) have more clones produced? Because he couldn't replicate the cloning method the Kaminoans could.

What'd I do? Exactly! About the clones messing up by the way. I remember reading that. Also I think the rate of Clones was 1 full year equals seven for them, or something close to that.

Y'know .. Emperor -> Stormtrooper -> Baneblade -> Imperium of Man -> FOR THE EMPEROR!

Wow, for once I get late to the party and Jeffers and and a few others have the right information... DAMN YOU WOOKIEPEDIA! I have spent over a DECADE collecting and reading the books, and now anyone who can type can MATCH my knowledge

To be fair, I have never actually been to wookieepedia - my knowledge is also gleaned by lots of EU reading.

 

[BlueMage]

In this case he is referring to the crippling damage done to the crawler, not their accuracy with blasters, as in: they knew exactly where to hit it to destroy it.

Ah! And what quality allowed them to hit those spots, so perfectly to warrant the elimination of every other army in the entire galaxy?

edit:....wait, stormtroopers have guided anti-tank rockets? And that explanation still doesn't make sense

The same reason a legion of Imperial Guard can carve up just about anything - mass-fire tactics