Straight Guy in Wafflehouse beat down for homophobic slur

[N3squ1ck]

Awh, I wanted to answer to badguy too and now he's gone and no hint to as of why

oh wells

 

[crimson sickle2]

That's messed up. The sensible thing to do would have been to throw the guy out the door, not have everyone gang up on him like a million idiotic monkeys against one starving wolf. I can't help feeling the guys making the video are somehow encouraging this kind of behavior, first they find the uppercut video and now this. Do they pay for stories involving stupid actions?

 

[Dags90]

Wow... that was viscous. But at least it was only slaps - I imagine it stung his pride more than caused any real damage.

This confuses me. How is it vicious if it mostly hurt his pride?

 

[theultimateend]

I support the gay community, but when someone speaks such a slur that is common in today's society, don't react unless he is going to physically harm you. The word, '******' is like the racial slur 'N word' towards African Americans.

The fact that you chose to censor one but not the other suggests otherwise.

More often than not one of those words gets you forum banned.

I bet you can guess which one.

So here is my problem, I LOATHE when people use the word ****** as a derogatory term for homosexuals.

There really needs to be a movement to make it only mean annoying people, throughout my youth it was only ever used to describe someone who was being a jackass. When I switched schools the word being used for that same jackass problem was "retarded".

Retard is another word that should only be used to describe electively stupid people. I have no hate for homosexuals nor mentally handicapped folks, but these two words just don't mean what the general public thinks they mean to me .

I hate that because I can never relate.

Regardless I almost never use either word (certainly not the N word above, I don't have a death wish), but I do feel that the hate they bring shouldn't be directed at people who have no choice in their layout. They should only be used to describe people who electively are assholes or idiots.

Edit: In retrospect I bet the reason I don't use ****** much is because of how many people who use it "wrongly" and thus I don't want to be associated with bigots. It's a tiresome prospect, nothing good comes of hate.

 

[Zombie_Moogle]

For the record, if you watch closely, he through the first blow. Had it coming

 

[Ron Alphafight]

The guy was a dick for using a homophobic slur, the woman was a bigger dick for hitting him and the gay men were even bigger dicks for beating him. Obviously the guy is not innocent, but there's a huge difference between name calling and striking someone. And he shouldn't have tried to hit the woman back. Be a man. I hope charges are pressed all around.

 

[ramboondiea]

an open palm slap and back hand will generally do the same amount of damage, the difference usually being how much it hurts the attacker, an open palm slap will hurt more just because the palm is more sensitive, thats why it is easier to just backhand someone. but a i cant stress this enough, a slap can be just as dangerous as a punch, its just not as practical to use in a fight,

UK law aside, I have personal experience with slaps of both kinds.

How? I do some Dominatrixing. A palm slap across the face hurts, but does no damage. A back-hand slap of the same force can split a lip and is likely to leave a bruise.

Now, I could see that it would be possible to do an open palm slap so hard that you do some damage with it - although damn, you'd need some upper body strength for that - but a back-hand slap is EASY to do damage without much strength. Knuckles suck like that.

Also, nails and rings can make an open-palm slap much more dangerous.

Anyway, the point being, I've trained a bit in how to cause pain without causing damage (or causing only the damage requested). If I seem to be splitting hairs about this slap thing, that's why. I've never assaulted anyone in an actual fight, so I don't have any knowledge of these things outside a very controlled environment, but I do know that, with a consistent force level, that open palms slaps do less damage than back-hand slaps, because your palm is a lot softer than your bony knuckles. It's like the difference between whipping someone with a soft leather tipped crop and a hard wooden switch. Both are similar tools, with similar leverage, used with the same force, but one (the wooden switch) does a lot more damage.

Oh, and for the record, I find talking about slap physics far more entertaining than talking about the fist fight of the thread topic.

you are right, as a general rule a slap will cause less damage, but this isn't always a certainty, I'm simply speaking from several years of martial arts training, the reason why a slap can do significant damage to some one is that a slap can gain momentum due to the swinging arc, i personally know someone who suffered whiplash due to being slapped, because it was hard enough to jolt his neck, and yes a backhand will do more damage due to both the knuckles and the momentum that can be gathered in the short space due to the muscles used.

and don't get me wrong, given the choice I would rather have a slap then a back hander as unless the person knows what they are doing, its going to hurt a lot less.

and yeah, the thread itself is pretty crappy, its about a group of people all in the wrong, so there is little to talk about, i only chimed in because I have a law degree and I feel I should at least use the info from time to time ha

 

[Bara_no_Hime]

you are right, as a general rule a slap will cause less damage, but this isn't always a certainty, I'm simply speaking from several years of martial arts training, the reason why a slap can do significant damage to some one is that a slap can gain momentum due to the swinging arc, i personally know someone who suffered whiplash due to being slapped, because it was hard enough to jolt his neck, and yes a backhand will do more damage due to both the knuckles and the momentum that can be gathered in the short space due to the muscles used.

and don't get me wrong, given the choice I would rather have a slap then a back hander as unless the person knows what they are doing, its going to hurt a lot less.

and yeah, the thread itself is pretty crappy, its about a group of people all in the wrong, so there is little to talk about, i only chimed in because I have a law degree and I feel I should at least use the info from time to time ha

Whiplash? DAMN. That was quite a slap!

Okay, fair enough. I was making the (perhaps erroneous) assumption that the woman in the video (which I haven't seen) was of a similar strength to me. There is no way I could give anyone whiplash with a slap, but I didn't take into account what a larger and/or stronger person might be capable of.

Anywho... yeah, unless we want to discuss slapping more (in a fun theoretical way), I think I'm done with this. When everyone's in the wrong, it just isn't any fun to talk about. More like depressing.

 

[Owen Robertson]

Well... don't talk shit, don't use slurs, don't pick fights when you're outnumbered, don't gang up on people, and most importantly don't go to waffle houses in the southern United States.

 

[Owen Robertson]

So here is my problem, I LOATHE when people use the word ****** as a derogatory term for homosexuals.

There really needs to be a movement to make it only mean annoying people, throughout my youth it was only ever used to describe someone who was being a jackass.

That's a Louis C.K. (and Southpark) bit, and while it makes some sense since ****** is a very ambiguous word that has had several meanings since it's inception (bundle, cigarette), it doesn't make sense trying to take back retard or ******.

To retard something means to hold it back. If used in another sense, it's improper use and I don't support muddling the already dirty English language.

****** is a Anglicized variation of the Spanish negro meaning black, and while neutral at it's inception, it has been used as a slur for nearly 2000 (or more) years.

The best thing to do is not use slurs. Because it's mean. Unless you're trying to be mean. Then, by all means...

 

[chiggerwood]

Also, has anything good ever gone down in a Wafflehouse? I feel like if any story has, "And then we went to Wafflehouse, it's gonna end bad"

Yeah really it's like the phrase "And then the Europeans came" in history books. Nothing good happens after that just violence, bigotry, and disease.

OT: *SIGH* Really? Just fucking really? OK he was an asshole for calling them faggots, but they were bigger assholes for beating the shit out of him. Why is it that I'm forced to take the side of a homophobic prick and say that the gay guys need to be arrested!? Damn it people! Quit being stupid! If someone talks shit flash him a dirty look and move on, there's no need for violence because of an asshole is shooting his mouth off! He ain't worth your time.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

Violence is very rarely justified and it still certainly isn't in this case. Perhaps the guy initially started it and then it escalated out of hand but it doesn't make it "justified".

 

[Icehearted]

Lolllll . Thats funny . So is this gonna be a new trend ? Straight bashing?

You KNOW this guys is gonna go on a gay bashing spree once he recovers . That or get laughed outta town by gettig beat up by gay guys ( he seems like the kind if guy that would associate himself with homophobes ).

Anyways stranger things have happened .

Eddie Murphy used to make a joke about this (gay men were a favorite target). I don't remember the joke, but I remember the context. Essentially it doesn't matter how effeminate, weak, coquettish, or friendly a gay man is, it's still a man, and if you piss him off he will more than likely hit as hard as any straight man would.

As for me, I loathe violent people. I know a lot about discrimination and i know that beating someone to a pulp will curry favor with nobody, not that it should.

 

[xshadowscreamx]

She hit him first, he hit back, then the guys he insulted beat his ass. He didn't deserve it, but he had it coming let's put it that way. I also just want to say the guy might not be that hardcore a homophobe, people will say anything in a heated argument.

i came up with the same conclusion, it was a bit over the top.. or was it, cuz those punches was so funny.. i have seen girls throw better punches lol

 

[Icaruss]

Wow...This may mean i'ma shitty person but that was fething hilarious.They were all kinda assholes though more so the neon mafia then the bigot (as much as we'ed like to you don't get to kick a guys ass for being well a asshole and dogpiling someone is just about the most cowardly thing you can do) I'd like to see them in a one on one with anyone.

 

[Baldry]

In a way it's nice to see the tables turned. But violence isn't the answer, no matter how righteous it may be.

 

[RicoGrey]

If I saw a woman about to be attacked my reaction would be to attack the attacker. Does not matter if she slapped him first, it is what my instincts would tell me to do.

Can not really say this is mob justice, these people did not go to this guys house with torches in hand, he was in a public place and incited a group of people to attack him.

I am an Atheist and I have never gone to a church to denounce Christ(or whatever Christians think I would do) because I know the end result would be myself getting assaulted.

Yeah, I get he didn't go to a gay bar, but he was still in public, and I am sure he realized this group was composed mostly of gay men.

On a side note, as I understand it, most gay men work out like crazy, would seem like a bad idea to piss off one gay muscular guy, let alone a whole group of them.

 

[GildaTheGriffin]

I support the gay community, but when someone speaks such a slur that is common in today's society, don't react unless he is going to physically harm you. The word, '******' is like the racial slur 'N word' towards African Americans. The 'N word' is used commonly now, but still has meaning if used wrong.

Interesting how you state the 2 words are equal, yet have only typed out one of them.

I think Escapist would prohibit me from saying it. ****** isn't a banned word like the N word I believe. Sorry if ****** is.

 

[GildaTheGriffin]

I support the gay community, but when someone speaks such a slur that is common in today's society, don't react unless he is going to physically harm you. The word, '******' is like the racial slur 'N word' towards African Americans.

The fact that you chose to censor one but not the other suggests otherwise.

I'm don't believe ****** is a banned word by the site. Also the N word sounds wrong to me, I don't like saying it in public.