Any artists/albums in particular? I'm interested. If it's been done better then I've love to hear it.Purple Shrimp said:I like the avant-garde aesthetic of the album, I just feel that it's done a lot better elsewhere.
Any artists/albums in particular? I'm interested. If it's been done better then I've love to hear it.Purple Shrimp said:I like the avant-garde aesthetic of the album, I just feel that it's done a lot better elsewhere.
I've been listening a lot to the Residents recently and I feel they pull it off better. I actually relistened to Trout Mask Replica yesterday, since it's been a while, and the two are more similar than I'd remembered, but I prefer Residents. I think the difference between the two is that you can tell that TMR is just avant-gardey blues (except for the Dust Blows Forward thingy), whereas with the Residents it's certainly avant-garde but it's a lot harder to pinpoint that origin, which I think makes it a more effective statement.TheLaofKazi said:Any artists/albums in particular? I'm interested. If it's been done better then I've love to hear it.Purple Shrimp said:I like the avant-garde aesthetic of the album, I just feel that it's done a lot better elsewhere.
I like the Residents, although it's hard to get into them since they have so many albums. I enjoyed the Commercial album though.Purple Shrimp said:I've been listening a lot to the Residents recently and I feel they pull it off better. I actually relistened to Trout Mask Replica yesterday, since it's been a while, and the two are more similar than I'd remembered, but I prefer Residents. I think the difference between the two is that you can tell that TMR is just avant-gardey blues (except for the Dust Blows Forward thingy), whereas with the Residents it's certainly avant-garde but it's a lot harder to pinpoint that origin, which I think makes it a more effective statement.
I still love Sugar and Spikes though![]()
I agree with your argument from a general point of view, but in the specific area of avant-garde music I think it's more important to make that comparison. I mean, a regular musician making a song should only have the aim of making the best-sounding song they can, and they can do that with whatever influences they want to. however, I'd say an avant-garde musician has the two aims of doing that and making it as original as possible; since the latter can be best achieved by eschewing obvious influences as much as possible, I think the Residents are better in that sense.TheLaofKazi said:I like the Residents, although it's hard to get into them since they have so many albums. I enjoyed the Commercial album though.Purple Shrimp said:I've been listening a lot to the Residents recently and I feel they pull it off better. I actually relistened to Trout Mask Replica yesterday, since it's been a while, and the two are more similar than I'd remembered, but I prefer Residents. I think the difference between the two is that you can tell that TMR is just avant-gardey blues (except for the Dust Blows Forward thingy), whereas with the Residents it's certainly avant-garde but it's a lot harder to pinpoint that origin, which I think makes it a more effective statement.
I still love Sugar and Spikes though![]()
I don't really compare the two though. I mean, sure it's obvious that Captain Beefheart is rooted in blues, rock and free jazz, but that doesn't make me enjoy it any less. Sure, you could argue that the Residents were more original because they play so many different types of music to the point where you can't really distinguish the influences, but I don't really like to compare bands, I look at each song I hear in their own context I guess. Captain Beefheart combined blues, psychedelic rock and free jazz, and he did a fucking great job of it. The fact that another band like the Residents may have done something arguably more original doesn't detract from my enjoyment of them, because they both sound great to me.
Hey, I got bills to pay, I got mouths to feed, there ain't nothing in this world for free.oppp7 said:Well I was walking down the street when out the corner of my eye I saw this pretty little thing approaching me. She said, "I never seen a man who could look so all alone and could you use a little company? If you pay the right price, your evening would be nice and you could go ahead and send me on my way." I said, "You're such a sweet young thing why did you do this to yourself?" She looked at me and this is what she said:
"Wow, this is just like that one song."
Fair enough, you make a good point.Purple Shrimp said:I agree with your argument from a general point of view, but in the specific area of avant-garde music I think it's more important to make that comparison. I mean, a regular musician making a song should only have the aim of making the best-sounding song they can, and they can do that with whatever influences they want to. however, I'd say an avant-garde musician has the two aims of doing that and making it as original as possible; since the latter can be best achieved by eschewing obvious influences as much as possible, I think the Residents are better in that sense.
Also, since you were interested in artist suggestions previously: the Velvet Underground is the band I originally posted in the thread, and while they're much milder in terms of weirdness than Captain Beefheart, I can certainly see why they'd appeal to a fan of C.B.