Student kills intruder with sword

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StercusCaput

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bigolbear said:
Too many legal systems favour the guilty party, the original agressor.
Agreed, this trend is a travestry of justice.

bigolbear said:
My view: the second some one enters your property without your permission or makes agresive moves towards you they forfit any rights.
Agreed 100%

bigolbear said:
Id also like to say that the fact the guy made the first strike at the hand is a clear point he was defending himself - the fact he HAD to make a second strike and still chose to aim at the chest rather than the head or neck tells me even under duress this person did not want to kill.
Great point.
 

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Lord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
Californian I'm guessing?

No, we don't keep track of sharp objects in any state I've ever lived in. Also, and this will blow your mind I know, but any metal object of a certain range of shapes can be sharpened using common household tools. Unless you want to control bench grinders and kinda rough textured rocks in addition to swords people who want edged weapons are going to have them. Give me the the dullest butterknife in your drawer and a concrete floor and I'll be able to shave with it ten minutes later.
I'm afraid you both missed my point and are possibly wrong anyway. In certain states selling and/or owning a sharpened sword is very illegal or requires a permit. If caught by the police, you'd likely get fined. Now, where you may be mistaken is that you haven't actually waved your sword at a police officer yet. Obviously, they can't just come barging into your house to make sure your swords are dull. You're not going to get in trouble unless you get caught with it (sometimes it's only illegal to take them outside of your house).

Obviously none of this has anything to do with your ability to sharpen a butter-knife, so I'm not sure where you were trying to go with that.

Also, no. I live in Missouri. Last I checked we can legally carry concealed weapons. Take that, California!
 

DarthInfernus

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Skeleon said:
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Was the student in the wrong? Not in the slightest.
And that's exactly the point where I disagree, because you don't just kill another human being like that. He basically slaughtered him. I'm all for self-defense but it has to be proportional to the threat you're under.
Okay... let's say hypothetically, you are the student, and I am the burglar. I come at you, displaying no visible weapons at all. So you choose to defend yourself unarmed, as is "proportional" by your definition. What if I'm far stronger than you? What if I'm a trained boxer, or martial artist, and you get your ass whooped, and killed. You think a burglar needs a weapon to kill you? Ever heard of choking? Neck-snapping? A desperate, unarmed burglar is likely far stronger than the average college student, including a jock football player, and will likely try to choke you to death, or break your neck. Then you're dead. I'd say, bring the best toy you have to the playground, because the other guy is gonna do the same. Just hope yours is better than his.
 

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my girlfriend was attacked in her home by an intruder.

She broke his fucking arm with a baseball bat

Then when he tried to get up and attack her again with a broken arm, she broke his ribs and then stood on his broken body until the police arrived.

When I told her about this story, she was at first aghast at the brutality of the kid's actions.. until I made it clear to her - if she had grabbed a sword instead of a bat, the exact same thing would have happened.

If someone breaks into your residence, and then proceeds to make threatening movements or attack you, then you should have every right to protect yourself, even if protecting yourself leads to the death of the attacker - they made their choice, to attack.. after that, it's all instinct.

Kid doesn't deserve any kudos, but the guy got what was coming to him.. it was only a matter of time before he broke into a house with a guy with a gun fetish.

He is probably the first person to die in america in a long time from Samurai Sword though.. which, in itself makes the story interesting.
 

Aeryn Seoung

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Read this on Sankaku Complex this morning. Great stuff if you ask me.
He didn't get charged because it was an act of self defence, and he's entitled to cary some sort of weapon. Ah well.
 

Ghostkai

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What kind of nutjob attacks a guy with a sword?
Like seriously... If a dude with a sword tells me to get out. I will.
 
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Zeekar said:
Lord Monocle Von Banworthy said:
Californian I'm guessing?

No, we don't keep track of sharp objects in any state I've ever lived in. Also, and this will blow your mind I know, but any metal object of a certain range of shapes can be sharpened using common household tools. Unless you want to control bench grinders and kinda rough textured rocks in addition to swords people who want edged weapons are going to have them. Give me the the dullest butterknife in your drawer and a concrete floor and I'll be able to shave with it ten minutes later.
I'm afraid you both missed my point and are possibly wrong anyway. In certain states selling and/or owning a sharpened sword is very illegal or requires a permit. If caught by the police, you'd likely get fined. Now, where you may be mistaken is that you haven't actually waved your sword at a police officer yet. Obviously, they can't just come barging into your house to make sure your swords are dull. You're not going to get in trouble unless you get caught with it (sometimes it's only illegal to take them outside of your house).

Obviously none of this has anything to do with your ability to sharpen a butter-knife, so I'm not sure where you were trying to go with that.

Also, no. I live in Missouri. Last I checked we can legally carry concealed weapons. Take that, California!
Where I'm trying to go with that is "What is the point of permitting dull swords and permitting sharp ones when one can be easily converted into the other?"

Back home in Tennessee I have a CCW permit myself. I was never into the sword thing although I've received a couple as gifts and they were both sold and given sharpened. In Tennessee most weapons laws are intentionally vaguely worded in order to essentially give cops carte blanche to use their own discretion on the spot. For instance a knife is illegal if it can be opened by means of a "spring or inertia." Inertia? Brilliant! So if my knife just isn't very tight and can potentially fall open it's a switchblade. I'm a 1/4 turn of a torx driver away from a felony. The sword thing would fall under the old blanket of "carrying a weapon for the purpose of going armed." You could carry a crowbar or a steak knife or a rolling pin for the purpose of going armed too.

But your earlier comments were more along the lines of registry. I believe you used a phrase like "keep track of." I'm quite sure there's not a sword registry in the US.
 

Queen Michael

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Crazy awesome, I'd say! Isn't this the way we all wish to die? (Or have someone else meet their maker?)
 

BlueMage

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Hmm, I think this shall be why I stick to the wooden katanas ... broken collarbone will still stop most folks pretty quick.
 

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As far as I know (which is not very, not living in America) the kid should get off fine.
Similar thing happened to my Uncle, some guy broke into his house and tried to rob him, then came at him with a bat so my Uncle cut his hand off with a meat clever (my Uncle is a butcher). There was alot of legality and all that but he got off with no charges (I'm living in Australia). As for the kid I think its awesome but a bit brutal.
 

johnman

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I find it funny that if the kid had shot him we wouldnt be talking about wether it was self defence or not. I also find it amusing how swords can be illegal in america while people are lobbying for fully automatic assassult rifles for citizens.
 

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Machines Are Us said:
Considering the guy was charged with burglary before and was in a strangers home I think it's fair to say he was there to steal.

Therefore I think it was justified as self defence as the sword guy didn't know what the intruder was capable of.

VanityGirl said:
That kid's going to prison though.
BigDragun987 said:
Unfortunately the kids done for but I'll hand it to him.
Not necessarily, unless the sword was illegal. If the guy had lot's of wounds then it could be considered murder. Two wounds is not excessive so he could get away with self defence.
agreed and i hope that guy get a medal. one less scumbag in the world.
 

manicfoot

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Doubt the guy intended to kill him. Its easy to say the guys behaviour was excessive but NOBODY would act 100% rationally in that situation. To the guys credit he went for the hand - one of the places least likely to kill him. Its not like he stabbed him in the heart, cut his balls off and hung them round his neck while masturbating is it?
 

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norms29 said:
Why? are you in the habit of breaking into houses and charging at occupants who confront you?
Nah, but I get drunk every now and then and I wonder what that lunatic would do to me if I wound up in his garden.

DarthInfernus said:
...and will likely try to choke you to death, or break your neck.
LOL, no. Where the hell do you live? South Africa?!

Anyway, some other guy wrote about my hypothetical daughter being in danger of an armed guy. If you had read my post, you would know that that is a situation where I'm all for shooting the guy in the knee or arm. If he dies of bloodloss, meh, bad luck.
It's completely different from what this article was about.

As for the other guys: I've explained my position often enough, no far-off hypothetical could make me change my mind.
 

Korolev

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He might not go to jail - if he can successfully prove that the intruder was advancing on him in a threatening manner.