Student Suspended for wearing a dress.

[Korten12]

I really don't see how you can not see it. you said you would not be disturbed by the song you hate the most, thats really good! take that same attitude and realize in the same way you have no control of what music plays in someone else's car you have no control over what people wear the world does not belong to you. don't be disturbed by people for liking what they they like.

so what if im the creators of the clothes and i make some dresses for men that look very similar to dresses for women (if not the same) but i only sell them to men. would you still have a problem with that?

just really consider if it truly is wrong.

I am done - you clearly don't seem to understand my posts. No point in trying to argue.

 

[orangeapples]

i honestly never understood the hat thing.

because of this, I say that all schools should have a cross-dressing day. And no serious lessons should be given on cross-dressing day. There would be no way to get anything done if all the teachers were crossdressing.

I mean, if schools ban hats, but allow them for crazy hat day, so why not?

 

[Lythiaren]

The suspension only came about after he decided to say that the dean was being sexist.

He was not being suspended for wearing a dress to school. He was suspended for insulting the dean. I suspect the reversal of the suspension came around when the administration realized that the punishment was excessive. I'd say the dean probably pushed for his exclusion from the dance and trip because of the personal insult.

Telling the truth no matter how insulting is not grounds for suspension. Hell people insult the president all the time in much worse ways and he wont be sending the secret service to take revenge for it. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-obama-cartoons.htm?PS=578%3A9

If the principal suspended him for that then the principal abused his power ontop of discrimination. I worked for a highschool and the principle had to be carefull when dealing with issues such as a boy wearing a dress.. and we had one who would dress in girls clothes everyday and the policy was to not say or do anything about it because it would be discrimination.

The school wanted to enact a no hat policy, every student started wearing a hat in protest. In the end the policy was deemed to be overreaching and the only clothes that could be in the dress code were clothes that show too much cleavage, skirts and shorts that are too short. shirts with swear words, ciggarette or alcohol advertisements, or sexual themed. They did not ban hats because there are students from India who wear turbans, jewish students with skull caps. every student in the FFA program with cowboy hats or baseball caps including the teacher. the Jrotc students had hats, baseball team had hats. they couldnt ban hats because that was considered discrimination.

He may have been speaking truth, but ultimately he did go out of his way to offend a member of the school's administration. The school has too many other auxiliary rules to fall back on in this case. At the end of the day he was suspended for offending the big boss, that's all there really is to it. Like I said, this school appears to have a reputation for having sticks up all their asses, so when you put that into consideration it shouldn't be surprising that he got suspended for backtalking to the dean. This is a school that former students say routinely suspends people for daring to be even the slightest bit different, not just wearing clothes that they see as gender-inappropriate.

Then again, most high schools are stupid about things. Some ten years ago when I was his age, I corrected my science teacher using something I read from the textbook the night before. She tried to throw me out of class and spent the remainder of the semester deliberately marking down my tests. If I wasn't an otherwise straight-A student with stellar evaluations from all my other teachers, I would have had a lot of hoops to leap through to correct her attempts to get back at me for daring to tell her she was wrong.

As for hat rules, my university has a hat rule. You know what it says? It says you're not allowed to wear hats during exams ever, unless it's for religious reasons (ie. religious headwear and the like). It's because it's too easy to sneak notes and cheatsheets into exams with a hat. People who normally wear full-blown turbans just go with the simpler headwraps when they have exams. The rules don't have to bend a wide girth around groups, individuals are perfectly capable of negotiating and finding ways to accommodate both the rules and their beliefs at the same time.

 

[cobra_ky]

You asked "who are we to stop" the school bullies pushing him down stairs, stealing his lunch money, throwing his homework in the river, beating him to a pulp et cetera.

Well, who we are to stop that is who we are to stop any other behaviour like that.

Actually, no. I didn't say anything about stopping the bullies or not. I said "If he wants to get his ass kicked at school, who are we to stop him?" I don't care if he wants to dress like a girl. I think it should be his choice, but I just hope he realizes he will be fucked with by other people and he can't be protected all the time.

You're treating bullying like it's an inevitable response. you're focusing on his decision to dress the way he wants to, not the hypothetical bullies' decision to harass him. it's the latter decision that we should be concerned about.

I really don't see how you can not see it. you said you would not be disturbed by the song you hate the most, thats really good! take that same attitude and realize in the same way you have no control of what music plays in someone else's car you have no control over what people wear the world does not belong to you. don't be disturbed by people for liking what they they like.

so what if im the creators of the clothes and i make some dresses for men that look very similar to dresses for women (if not the same) but i only sell them to men. would you still have a problem with that?

just really consider if it truly is wrong.

I am done - you clearly don't seem to understand my posts. No point in trying to argue.

You may want to consider whether the point you're making actually makes sense. Think about whether it's really OK to call the way other people dress 'wrong', simply because it bothers you.

good luck in your future defenses of heteronormative gender roles.

 

[Danny91]

My opinion is that he should have had disciplinary action taken if he was truly doing it, as the report says, on a dare. One of the hardest and most important things to do at a school (at least where I'm from; cant speak for anywhere else) is maintain discipline and an academic environment. And if this child was doing this for this not-very-good reason, then he would have been needlessly disruptive, and therefore should have been punished in some way. The harshness of the punishment I also noted, but then I also read that he had been reprimanded before as well, making it make more sense.

 

[Shoqiyqa]

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[LetalisK]

You asked "who are we to stop" the school bullies pushing him down stairs, stealing his lunch money, throwing his homework in the river, beating him to a pulp et cetera.

Well, who we are to stop that is who we are to stop any other behaviour like that.

Actually, no. I didn't say anything about stopping the bullies or not. I said "If he wants to get his ass kicked at school, who are we to stop him?" I don't care if he wants to dress like a girl. I think it should be his choice, but I just hope he realizes he will be fucked with by other people and he can't be protected all the time.

You're treating bullying like it's an inevitable response. you're focusing on his decision to dress the way he wants to, not the hypothetical bullies' decision to harass him. it's the latter decision that we should be concerned about.

You guys are reading way too much into a an off-hand joking comment. It's quite obvious there is more to this than him getting targeted by bullies because of his choice in attire.

 

[KiKiweaky]

Well if the kid is allowed to wear stuff like that then whats the point of having dress code at all? Not sure how dress codes work in the states but where I live you wear the school uniform and thats it, dont have it then you had better have a good excuse and make sure you get whatever your missing quick.

If they let him do that then anyone can pretty much wear whatever they want. But still why the fuck would he even want to wear a dress and high heels?

In this part of the world, uniforms are rare, and from what I've heard, non-existent in public schools. You only need a uniform if you're in the military or something.

Now, as for why he would want to wear a dress and high heels...because he's a cross dresser. You got a problem with that!?

If he wants to do it good luck to him, what I dont get is why he wants to do it in school. The school obviously has a dress code, clearly he's not obeying it. If he wants to wear what he wants maybe he should go to a school that doesnt have one.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

I don't really think that this is such a big problem, sure if a guy wants to wear a dress whatever, thats fine, but this is school, school's have rules, if you break them you get in trouble, and their isn't a single public school that I know of that doesn't have a "No distracting clothes rule," I'd say a boy in a dress and high heels with blue hair would seem distracting to most 9th graders.

He seems like the guy who'd do something stupid for shits and giggles and it's clear he's gotten in touble for similar things before, it seems he should have quit while he was ahead.

Maybe if he actually was a transvestite and he actually wanted to be a girl this would be a huge problem, but it seems like he and his mom had a silly bet, so its not like there should be some silly moral crusade, but his mom doesn't agree:

"I found that very offensive. They told him he couldn't be him," shut up ***** you made a bet with him, he's not being opressed and forced to be something he's not.

Any way maybe if the story was more that 3 or 4 paragraphs long we could come to a conclusion as to who is in the wrong but it seems this kid knew what he was getting into and he has to pay the consequences, if he really wanted to go the the dance and the trip he should have waited until after they happened to do the stunt.

You know, I can understand where you are coming from. But man, it's attitudes like this that I feel inhibit progress.

Yes, he arguably broke the rules, his actions were distracting from normal, educational activities, and they probably offended a number of people. But what significant, progressive actions haven't? I'm not trying to say this guy is a on some sort of crusade for justice, but he's breaking stupid, pointless cultural norms and having a little bit of fun doing it. It's the rebellious attitudes like his that often stir things up, create change, and go against the norm. Perhaps not in the best, most productive way, but that's why it should be our responsibility to help these kinds of people express their energy in a productive fashion. Many deviant people have a lot of good potential, but don't tap into it because society treats them with disrespect.

Look at Rosa Parks. What she did on that bus broke the rules, was distracting, offended people, and otherwise disrupted the norm. The thing is, sometimes you have to do that to make change.

I would agree with you if that was the intent of the kid, but it probably wasn't, from what was in the article it looks like he did it for attention, not to make some profound change in the way people think.

 

[triggrhappy94]

Well for the longest time the law requiered that everyone wear at least 3 articles of clothing that pertained to their gender.
I guess some people didn't get the memo.

 

[Korten12]

You asked "who are we to stop" the school bullies pushing him down stairs, stealing his lunch money, throwing his homework in the river, beating him to a pulp et cetera.

Well, who we are to stop that is who we are to stop any other behaviour like that.

Actually, no. I didn't say anything about stopping the bullies or not. I said "If he wants to get his ass kicked at school, who are we to stop him?" I don't care if he wants to dress like a girl. I think it should be his choice, but I just hope he realizes he will be fucked with by other people and he can't be protected all the time.

You're treating bullying like it's an inevitable response. you're focusing on his decision to dress the way he wants to, not the hypothetical bullies' decision to harass him. it's the latter decision that we should be concerned about.

I really don't see how you can not see it. you said you would not be disturbed by the song you hate the most, thats really good! take that same attitude and realize in the same way you have no control of what music plays in someone else's car you have no control over what people wear the world does not belong to you. don't be disturbed by people for liking what they they like.

so what if im the creators of the clothes and i make some dresses for men that look very similar to dresses for women (if not the same) but i only sell them to men. would you still have a problem with that?

just really consider if it truly is wrong.

I am done - you clearly don't seem to understand my posts. No point in trying to argue.

You may want to consider whether the point you're making actually makes sense. Think about whether it's really OK to call the way other people dress 'wrong', simply because it bothers you.

good luck in your future defenses of heteronormative gender roles.

Last time before I go:

Heteronormative clothes =/= gender roles! I swear you guys have selective reading, only looking at what you can argue against.

 

[DefinitelyPsychotic]

At my high school last year, everybody had this huge plan to wear pajamas the next day to school, and the Vice Principal suspended all of the 100 students that did.

Not really surprised. Besides, cross-dressers are just plain creepy.

Be sure to let all of your prospective female friends know upfront that you don't approve of them wearing pants. Could lead to some awkward conversations otherwise...

Sigh, I just knew that I would get a response such as this. Have you ever heard of skinny jeans? You obviously haven't.

*confused head tilt*

Nice try. "Thank you, come again!"

Skinny jeans were designed for females.
seriously, how are skinny jeans relevant?

*listens for the whistle of the point soaring squarely over your head*

So women shouldn't wear high heels then, because those were originally designed for men

You just love trolling, don't you?

Harsh, I'm not trying to be a troll, I just disagree with your original premise that people who dress in traditionally cross gendered clothing are creepy. Admittedly my last post wasn't relevant but then neither was yours. My apologies if I offended

I just simply stated that I find cross-dressers creepy. There are tons of people that agree with me, and tons of people that don't. There is nothing more to say.

Correct me if I'm wrong but what you actually find creepy is men in women's clothing not cross dressing in general?

I find cross-dressing in general to be creepy and disgusting. I never said that I only find men who cross-dress, creepy. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

 

[Char-Nobyl]

i just dont see anything wrong with what he did. if he wants to wear a dress and high heels does it really affect anyone? i just dont see why they even tried to suspend him.

I think the main issue is that it's distracting.

i cant see how this guy wearing a dress is any more distracting than the 100s of girls wearing skirts and tops that barely covered anything. or was high school different in america and allgirls wear burkas or something similar.

I could pose a similar question. Are Australian highschools strip clubs? Or are you simply so Puritan that the sight of a woman with bare ankles sends you into a blind rage?

 

[Char-Nobyl]

On the contrary: if you live in a place where women are congratulated for being able to put on a pair of pants, you've got lower standards for the intelligence of women than Borat did.

I believe you have misunderstood my argument. It has nothing to do with intelligence, rather with negative social sanctions which are placed upon men who are believed to have 'feminine' habits or characteristics, while women with traditionally masculine traits are encouraged. See this picture [http://fmnst.tumblr.com/photo/1280/4622549244/1/tumblr_ljcaqjifTp1qglzx1] for a better visual representation, in case you missed it the first time.

Oh, brilliant chain of thought. "Women are allowed to dress like men. Men dressing like women is considered 'unmanly' because men think women are inferior to men."

"Black kids are allowed to dress like white people. White kids dressing 'gangsta' is seen as degrading because white people think being black is degrading."

"Police are allowed to wear plainclothes. Civilians dressing as 'police' is frowned upon because most people think being a cop is degrading."

Here's the thing: "male" clothes are generally seen as "male" clothes because they were practical. There was a time when women weren't considered fit for the same duties as men, and thus their clothing didn't need to be suitable for anything men would do (read: everything except making babies and looking pretty). Women can dress like "men" because "male" clothes are actually functional. It's never a man whose workboots break a heel, or whose slacks are so restrictive that he can't run.

When was the last time that someone had some sort of activity that required them to wear traditionally "female" clothing?

 

[Dags90]

As for hat rules, my university has a hat rule. You know what it says? It says you're not allowed to wear hats during exams ever, unless it's for religious reasons (ie. religious headwear and the like). It's because it's too easy to sneak notes and cheatsheets into exams with a hat. People who normally wear full-blown turbans just go with the simpler headwraps when they have exams. The rules don't have to bend a wide girth around groups, individuals are perfectly capable of negotiating and finding ways to accommodate both the rules and their beliefs at the same time.

Most schools in the U.S. which ban hats don't use cheating as their reasons.

The main reasons are usually:
1.) It's considered rude to wear a hat indoors, it says you know you aren't staying long.
2.) It's disrespectful to wear a hat in front of a U.S. flag, which are usually ubiquitous in American schools.
3.) ZOMG, GANG CULTURE! QUICK BAN IT!
4.) Lice.

 

[PinkiePyro]

this is silly

nothing bad will happen if a guy wears a dress/skirt

I rember this one time in high school one of my male classmates wore a skirt to school (part of some weird bet between him and his buddys) no one cared that he did
but another classmate got in trouble for wearing a t-shirt with the word Fuck on it that same week..

we had a dress code but the only rules were no shorts/skirts that showed your underwear and no grapics with inappropriate stuff
if you broke the code you had to wear this ugly pink moomoo the rest of the day

 

[Varya]

My opinion is that he should have had disciplinary action taken if he was truly doing it, as the report says, on a dare. One of the hardest and most important things to do at a school (at least where I'm from; cant speak for anywhere else) is maintain discipline and an academic environment. And if this child was doing this for this not-very-good reason, then he would have been needlessly disruptive, and therefore should have been punished in some way. The harshness of the punishment I also noted, but then I also read that he had been reprimanded before as well, making it make more sense.

This is bullshit!
If he want's to wear a dress, he should get to wear a dress, the reason does not factor in, unless he himself is discriminating in his action. Unless the school has a dress code, (which for the record, I am against) they shouldn't interfere with a students choice of clothing. You cannot say that some clothes are OK only if the motive is pure, either they are OK, or they are not, no ifs, buts or exceptions. (Except for the already mention of if the act is discriminating)

 

[BlackWidower]

Well if the kid is allowed to wear stuff like that then whats the point of having dress code at all? Not sure how dress codes work in the states but where I live you wear the school uniform and thats it, dont have it then you had better have a good excuse and make sure you get whatever your missing quick.

If they let him do that then anyone can pretty much wear whatever they want. But still why the fuck would he even want to wear a dress and high heels?

In this part of the world, uniforms are rare, and from what I've heard, non-existent in public schools. You only need a uniform if you're in the military or something.

Now, as for why he would want to wear a dress and high heels...because he's a cross dresser. You got a problem with that!?

If he wants to do it good luck to him, what I dont get is why he wants to do it in school. The school obviously has a dress code, clearly he's not obeying it. If he wants to wear what he wants maybe he should go to a school that doesnt have one.

Well, A. The dress code makes no mention of skirts or high heels. B. If the dress code said you can't wear green, would that be okay? C. If it did say no skirts or high heels, then that might mean it's an all boys school, which is highly unlikely in the public boards.

 

[gCrusher]

Sad to hear that the school laid down a suspension regarding this. Me, I'm kilted and proud, and I wouldn't look down on a fellow man if he were relaxing in a sundress.

Also, I've been to Wild Waves once. Good times. Strangely enough, the day I went there was the day OJ Simpson ran.

 

[bulldogftw]

He should have went as Dr. Frankenfurter

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