Study: Pain Shortens Your Lifespan, Spicy Foods May Prolong It
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I'm sceptical too. I mean as great as The Escapist can be we're not staring at a study with its listed limitations, methods, etc. we're looking at a press release of an abstract essentially.BigTuk said:
However rather than destructive coping mechanisms what is the 'real killer' is a greater time period of stress that the body is undergoing. Biota (animals & plants) in stress states typically don't do as well because they're busy dealing with the high tension of their existence.
The way I can kinda put it into words is how a high performance car needs to be retuned frequently. I mean it still goes into that stress state but it has to come out of it to repair. A car that doesn't wears down pretty fast regardless of how much or little care you put into it in other areas.
Trivially, I love hot food. I must be one of the few New Zealanders that appreciates East Asian Hot. So little difference to me. Maybe I'll add more chilli to the food I cook and justify it by saying I'm giving everyone a longer life.
I read the preview that presented the details so far in this line of experimentations and your scepticism is entirely justified. This experiments show a correlation between knocking out a gene and insulin resistance and compares that to our prior knowledge of insulin related ageing processes. It doesn't make any conclusions at all, it simply states a few findings and how they should proceed with their experiments. It certainly does not say anything about eating spicy food.Mr. Clarinet said:
You should never take articles like these as advice on diet. This is a media interpretation of experimental findings which is often presented in an exaggerated form because that's what makes people interested. The original source for this article makes no conclusions, it refers to genetic experiments (rather than nutrient related as it might seem) done on mice, drosophila and C. elegans.Olas said:
So mice that do not get stressed from pain and thier body does not go into "burn everything now" survival mode live longer. what a discovery.... that was made 20 years ago.
That being said, capsaicin has been known to have multiple positive features for humans and this is just another one down the list, which is a strange one at that. killing pain neurons is not something you want to do unless you can live in a lab cage too, because real world is more dangerous.
humans art students? Because you know you have to experiment on something and mice have been shown to be a good test as far as "Works on mice works on humans" is concerned.
ANd no they cant put it in non-burning pill. the burning is exactly whats healthy in there. and peppers are natural. they grow in the wild.
P.S. if spicy foods cause you pain (not to confuse with burn), then your either eating too much or should check in with a doctor, you may have other problems that react to capsaicin in unhealthy ways.
thats because of the weather. there is a reason such places are curorts for the old. doctors send them, because the constant island weather together with the salted air is much easier on thier bodies than smog riden cities. its no secret that island people live longer than inland people due to better weather.
That being said, capsaicin has been known to have multiple positive features for humans and this is just another one down the list, which is a strange one at that. killing pain neurons is not something you want to do unless you can live in a lab cage too, because real world is more dangerous.
well, when your making it yourself you can regulate it with ease and the myth that humans need no salt is also false.Darks63 said:
would you rather they experiment onXan Krieger said:
ANd no they cant put it in non-burning pill. the burning is exactly whats healthy in there. and peppers are natural. they grow in the wild.
read the article please. they said spicy food kills the neuron receptors that send signasl that brian interprets as pain, in a sense it kills receptors, numbing the pain. therefore in this case spicy foods dont cause pain.Loop Stricken said:
P.S. if spicy foods cause you pain (not to confuse with burn), then your either eating too much or should check in with a doctor, you may have other problems that react to capsaicin in unhealthy ways.
notice how its islands/peninsulas?Scars Unseen said:
thats because of the weather. there is a reason such places are curorts for the old. doctors send them, because the constant island weather together with the salted air is much easier on thier bodies than smog riden cities. its no secret that island people live longer than inland people due to better weather.
i think its less of a diet advice taking and more of a "i eat spices and this article says its good for me. hooray!"Yopaz said:
You're absolutely right. Scientific findings that even hints at something someone is already doing gets immediate acceptance despite what the bulk of it actually says. I'm affected by reading about nutriotionism (which isn't accepted by my spell check as a word) and I really had to point this is pretty much the major problem with it. Experiments are done in laboratory conditions, this may or may not involve food, this may not present itself the same way in humans as it does (even in cell culture experiments on humans this is most likely the case) and the way the information is presented to the public is often lacking in order to sell newspapers, generate web traffic or sometimes because there's a lack of understanding. I am going off topic, but you're right. I probably shouldn't have reacted the way I did, but I consider it important to not read experimental data as more than that.Strazdas said:
Can't speak for the other places, but I live in Okinawa, and there are cars aplenty. Not to mention that the roads are kind of awful(narrow and the coral in them makes them slick in the rain), the drivers are at least as bad as anywhere else, and elderly people and children alike will just step out into the street with no warning and expect you to stop as they cross the road. I see traffic accidents every day on my way to and from work, some of them rather spectacular(I once saw a car sitting sideways on the median. I was impressed).BigTuk said:
Sure, not saying otherwise. There are definitely differences. But diet, smoking, and alchohol aren't confounding variables in what happened to the mice.BigTuk said:
So basically you don't really need to eat the pepper, you just need to chew and spit it out.
Personally my body isn't good dealing with pepper, I always get pimple after ingesting pepper and feel crappy in general.
Personally my body isn't good dealing with pepper, I always get pimple after ingesting pepper and feel crappy in general.
I'm in the same boat as you my friend and it sucks balls! But I'm not here to commiserate, but to comment on the article. I hate science like this, absolutely loath it. It draws conclusions that while appearing to be supported by the data really aren't any more than others would be.BigTuk said:
It reminds me of one that went around a few years ago about how people that don't have good dental care died earlier. I was discussing it a work and this one woman was expounding it's correct view on the issue, which I didn't agree with. When my turn came to talk I had one question "Can you suggest anything else that non dental visitors might hold in common?" She couldn't. So I explained that while it wouldn't always be the case, but I'd be surprised if they didn't go because they couldn't afford it. Now it doesn't take a genius to figure out that being poor will shorten your life. Lower quality food, more stress, what have you. But for some reason that fact never entered into the discussion. She replied "oh no, it's because of untreated abscess that let toxins enter a persons blood stream". I left it at that because I couldn't be bothered to try to educate her on how "shock" headlines based on scientific research are often misquotes of studies or bad conclusions from poorly run studies, and often the truth is more down to earth and less alarming. I know an idiot when I see one.
Now as to this one. As I mentioned I am a sufferer of chronic pain and have been for many many long years. And yes it will shorten my life, and yes it will be in some part due to the pain receptors. But my condition is not just pain, it's also muscle fatigue. It's funny I can lift a quite lot of weight, but ask me to hold a pound out at arms length for more than 10 minutes and I start shaking, sweating, grimacing, and mewling like a baby towards the end because it's not just the pain, my muscles will actually lock up. Even without any pain receptors this would still happen. The one issue that's never mentioned is the fact that chronic pain sufferers are less mobile, because it hurts to move. And we suffer from our lack of mobility through poorer health, so we die sooner. Also much of the medication for us have a side effect of increasing our hunger and accelerating fat accumulation. But yeah, I'll start eating spicy food so my pain receptors will be less active. Yeah, if only. More "junk" science with shock headlines to sensationalize it. How much I wish those would cure my pain instead of boiling my blood. I'd never have a pain filled day again.
This is true, but then the countries that have them as a regular thing tend to be less developed, or at least have large amounts of poverty stricken/lower class citizens. So the capsasin may well extend their life, just they also have to deal with hunger and illnes thus balancing it out. Obviously I'm not saying Capcasin makes you invincible, but y'know, just adding to your point.BigTuk said: