Suicide mission losses and their consequences in ME3, your thoughts?

[Geo Da Sponge]

Heh... Not that it really annoys me or anything, but why is it that the moment the subject of losing team members in the suicide mission comes up people start asking whether you got their loyalty?

"Did I get their loyalty? Did I get the one blatantly obvious thing that the game is centred around and is pointed out every time the squad selection screen comes up and is obviously going to influence the outcome of the suicide mission? Did I do that?"

I dunno, I just find it hard to imagine that anyone has ever sent a character to do a job in the Suicide mission when they're not loyal. Unless they're trying to get them killed, of course...

Like meeting up with Gianna Parasini on Illium in ME2

Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me. I forgot about her. (I already mentioned Rana Thanoptis and Shiala.)
And you also mentioned Helena Blake too.

Yeah, a bit unrealistic bumping into every single one of these people, but it ties up loose ends I guess.

Heh, I loved meeting all the random people from Mass Effect 1 again, especially when I didn't remember who they were at first.

"I'm sorry, I don't remember any of it. For you, the day Commander Shepard graced your presence was the most important day of your life. But for me... It was Tuesday."

For example, bumping into Fist on Omega. Shepard sure does seem to have it in for that guy.

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

Heh... Not that it really annoys me or anything, but why is it that the moment the subject of losing team members in the suicide mission comes up people start asking whether you got their loyalty?

"Did I get their loyalty? Did I get the one blatantly obvious thing that the game is centred around and is pointed out every time the squad selection screen comes up and is obviously going to influence the outcome of the suicide mission? Did I do that?"

I dunno, I just find it hard to imagine that anyone has ever sent a character to do a job in the Suicide mission when they're not loyal. Unless they're trying to get them killed, of course...

True dat.

Suffice to say, as long as the player has purchased all ship upgrades, earned the loyalty of everyone on board (and got around the Jack/Miranda and Tali/Legion conflicts), and the right squad members are selected for the right roles, none of them should die in the suicide mission. (Saving Kelly is a bit more tricky, as I explained on a post on the previous page.)

Well, the one other important thing is to leave your toughest team members to hold the line since you can lose someone (probably Mordin) if the people you leave there lean towards the squishy end of the scale. Oh, and it's possible to complete it without loses without absolutely everyone's loyalty, you just have to make sure you keep them away from important jobs (and they also weaken the aforementioned last stand).

For example, bumping into Fist on Omega. Shepard sure does seem to have it in for that guy.

I never saw this encounter.
I had Wrex with me when I encountered Fist in Chora's Den in ME1.
Wrex shoots him dead, and Shepard can't stop him.
So Fist is dead on my playthrough

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

 

[Setrus]

I dunno, I just find it hard to imagine that anyone has ever sent a character to do a job in the Suicide mission when they're not loyal. Unless they're trying to get them killed, of course...

I did just that in one playthrough, got everyone loyal, got all the upgrades...and then picked team leaders and the like to "assassinate" Kasumi, Zaeed and Jack...was kind of fun. :-D

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

Heh, did you meet Helena Blake there as well? She sounds so smooth...I can't help but feel her talk of being a social worker is finished by her laughing herself to death the moment Shepard leaves...

 

[Zen Toombs]

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

...You have an interesting definion of "not much". That sounds halarious. [searches youtube, because the only time I didn't have Wrex with me when taking down Fist, I had Shepard shoot him]

 

[Geo Da Sponge]

I dunno, I just find it hard to imagine that anyone has ever sent a character to do a job in the Suicide mission when they're not loyal. Unless they're trying to get them killed, of course...

I did just that in one playthrough, got everyone loyal, got all the upgrades...and then picked team leaders and the like to "assassinate" Kasumi, Zaeed and Jack...was kind of fun. :-D

Gah! Okay, I like Zaeed and Jack but I can accept that some people want to bump them off... But what reason can you possibly have for wanting to kill Kasumi?!

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

Heh, did you meet Helena Blake there as well? She sounds so smooth...I can't help but feel her talk of being a social worker is finished by her laughing herself to death the moment Shepard leaves...

Heh... I never met her because I never let her live in any of my ME1 playthroughs. "You really thought it was a good idea to give me a paper-thin lie like that? This shit will not fly."

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

...You have an interesting definion of "not much". That sounds halarious. [searches youtube, because the only time I didn't have Wrex with me when taking down Fist, I had Shepard shoot him]

Well, as I remember (it was a while back) he's less terrified, more pissed off at the universe in general for conspiring to screw with him.

 

[Steampunk Viking]

No-one has died on my watch. Except Kaidan. I hated Kaidan.

But I don't know exactly how this will all play out, I assume if Mordin dies, the female Krogan mission in 3 will be harder, and if Legion/Tali die, it'll be harder to gain the support from the Geth/Quarians respectively.

I also read in a magazine that Bioware hinted that saving Wrex might actually cause more problems too. Dunno how exactly though.

 

[Setrus]

I dunno, I just find it hard to imagine that anyone has ever sent a character to do a job in the Suicide mission when they're not loyal. Unless they're trying to get them killed, of course...

I did just that in one playthrough, got everyone loyal, got all the upgrades...and then picked team leaders and the like to "assassinate" Kasumi, Zaeed and Jack...was kind of fun. :-D

Gah! Okay, I like Zaeed and Jack but I can accept that some people want to bump them off... But what reason can you possibly have for wanting to kill Kasumi?!

It's for a fanfiction, actually. I tried to make the result match the story as closely as possible (because I don't do those horrible super happy endings), so I wanted the upgrades and finished loyalty missions, but still get the "right" losses to match the story and assist me in writing the third part when I've "researched" how it may play out enough. Don't worry, I have a "perfect" playthrough too.

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

Heh, did you meet Helena Blake there as well? She sounds so smooth...I can't help but feel her talk of being a social worker is finished by her laughing herself to death the moment Shepard leaves...

Heh... I never met her because I never let her live in any of my ME1 playthroughs. "You really thought it was a good idea to give me a paper-thin lie like that? This shit will not fly."

Well I thought so too, as well with that Asari scientist on Virmire, but spared both with my current playthrough with an engineer Shepard, in fact I'm trying to spare everyone I can just to see what happens in the third game... (though it's going to sting to leave that Asari idiot in Samara's recruitment mission to live.) Funnily enough I will in that one "assassinate" Tali and Garrus to see how the third game plays out without those two...yes, I'm wicked.

 

[Zen Toombs]

Gah! Okay, I like Zaeed and Jack but I can accept that some people want to bump them off... But what reason can you possibly have for wanting to kill Kasumi?!

Concuring Toombs concurs. Kasumi is far too cool to murder carelessly!

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

...You have an interesting definion of "not much". That sounds halarious. [searches youtube, because the only time I didn't have Wrex with me when taking down Fist, I had Shepard shoot him]

Well, as I remember (it was a while back) he's less terrified, more pissed off at the universe in general for conspiring to screw with him.

After looking it up m'self, I agree. I'm glad Wrex killed the self-centered skumbag in my "Me" playthrough.

 

[gyrobot_v1legacy]

I dunno, I just find it hard to imagine that anyone has ever sent a character to do a job in the Suicide mission when they're not loyal. Unless they're trying to get them killed, of course...

I did just that in one playthrough, got everyone loyal, got all the upgrades...and then picked team leaders and the like to "assassinate" Kasumi, Zaeed and Jack...was kind of fun. :-D

Eh, you're not missing much. Just Fist assuming that Shepard apparently came back from the grave just to glare at him.

Heh, did you meet Helena Blake there as well? She sounds so smooth...I can't help but feel her talk of being a social worker is finished by her laughing herself to death the moment Shepard leaves...

If you didn't met her before or shut her down. She remains as a crime lord on Omega, helping Aria out. Could be useful in gaining Aria's trust.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

First time around I lost Thane and Mordin because apparently I didn't get the super space adhesive upgrade to keep a support beam from crushing the former and the latter apparently kicks the bucket after taking one bullet to the stomach. My second playthrough no one died, which might be a little wierd as he's the renegade one, but I see him as the more kind of draconian leader, who's extreme discipline gets proficient results but leaves him dispassionate towards most of his crew. Mordin seems like it will be a significant loss for my saintly by the book FemShep, she'll be a lot less infromed in dealing with the collectors and with a dead Wrex will have even more trouble erring the Krogans on her side/dealing with that whole situation. Thane...well, he was dying already and I get the impression he isn't going to feature much in ME3 which is a shame as I'm in the vast minority it seems who actually liked him. I did do one playthrough wherein I intentionally killed off most of the crew (I think 8 of them hacked it) just so I could see what they would do in ME3. :3 Though I realise this probably won't live up to expectations, I'm still intrigued to see how they go on with such major characters biting the dust, will probably level down my options quite a bit more. Will wait and see.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

Does anyone know what happens if I started a New Game with the same character but didn't finish it? The first time through I saved everyone, so will my ME3 game have everyone saved?

 

[boag]

Does anyone know what happens if I started a New Game with the same character but didn't finish it? The first time through I saved everyone, so will my ME3 game have everyone saved?

I do believe the game will only import data after the suicide missions is completed, since that is the requirement for starting a New Game +

 

[Freechoice]

I want someone to go through ME1 and 2 and kill off everyone that can possibly be killed. I'm betting it's all inconsequential.

 

[AD-Stu]

Also, it's been mentioned that some/most/all squadmates won't be with you throughout the Reaper invasion: I interpret that as either one, some of your squadmates will die throughout the game, two, some of your squadmates will sometimes have other pressing engagements, be they temporary or permanent (for example, Liara with her Shadow Broking or Tali being an Admiral or Mordin [not a confirmed squadmate, but for example] working on the Genophage cure), three, you will get some squadmates only for certain missions, or four all of the above.

As for the Legion thing, only the programs in Legion have had extensive interpersonal [as opposed to extranet] contact with the outside world. Losing his 2+ years of hands-on research for the Geth would be a decent setback. However, my main point was about how sending it to Cerberus would be disastrous.

Try here: http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_3#Squad_Members

While those are all possibilities, and no doubt there will be the possibility of some of our squadmates dying, based on everything Bioware has released and said so far it seems option three is by far the most likely case. We already know that Anderson will be a temporary squadmate and it seems pretty reasonable to assume that's how they'll handle other similar situations (same as they did with Liara in LotSB).

I can't see the Tali scenario happening for all sorts of reasons, ranging from she's not the least bit qualified (seriously, lots of quarians die whenever we see her lead even a small team), to the fact that she could be dead or exiled depending on the choices that have been made, to the fact that ME2 built up the big deciding factor in quarian involvement in the war as being whether or not you encouraged them to go to war with the geth heretics.

As for Legion, that's the thing: they're just programs, and all the data they've gathered is transmitted back across the geth network. "Legion" could die and nothing would change.

 

[The_Lost_King]

I just hope they don't pull a DA2 kinda move and go HEY LOOKS WHO ISN'T ACTUALLY DEAD EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY HAVE PERSONALLY BEHEADED HER.

I wonder how they'd try and justify that in the ME universe
Some kinda sneaky 'Miranda didn't die! She just looked like it! Or perhaps WE REBUILT [insert name here] TOO!

You can behead Liliana? I would never have tried, I love her to much .