I definitely agree with you but at some point we need to start asking why things are the way they are.gmer412 said:
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This is yet another religious and political clash. The problem is, killing yourself does harm people, just not physically. It harms your family and the people that depend on you. I will say, if you are going to die a painful death, and there is no preventing it, then yes, you should have a right to physician-assisted suicide. However, killing yourself due to depression is not a solution to your problems. But making it illegal isn't going to stop people from doing it.
Someone should be able to end their own suffering. If they don't want to live anymore, fine, it's their choice, not ours.
However, if this person is trying to kill him/herself in a way that it would inflict damage upon other people, it's completely wrong. You can jump in front of a train, that's horrifying to everyone on that train. Same as you can't just go and throw yourself into traffic. Other people could get hurt, and that's not acceptable. Also the clean up would take a lot of paperwork for the police and whatnot.
Also suicide for attention is a no-go. You wanna die? Fine, but tdon't make people try and talk you over into not doing it or inflicting mental pain unto others while you virtually 'pretend' you want to commit suicide. Usually these people just want attention. They're mentally ill and need treatment. It's not as much suicide as it is a cry for help.
So yeah, suicide in controlled environment, preferrably a hospital with lethal injection, or your own home with medical supervision.
However, if this person is trying to kill him/herself in a way that it would inflict damage upon other people, it's completely wrong. You can jump in front of a train, that's horrifying to everyone on that train. Same as you can't just go and throw yourself into traffic. Other people could get hurt, and that's not acceptable. Also the clean up would take a lot of paperwork for the police and whatnot.
Also suicide for attention is a no-go. You wanna die? Fine, but tdon't make people try and talk you over into not doing it or inflicting mental pain unto others while you virtually 'pretend' you want to commit suicide. Usually these people just want attention. They're mentally ill and need treatment. It's not as much suicide as it is a cry for help.
So yeah, suicide in controlled environment, preferrably a hospital with lethal injection, or your own home with medical supervision.
I tried twice to commit suicide (drowning and hanging), like a dumbass... I see now that it was a terrible mistake and that with enough work or time you can get over anything. People have no right to take a life, even their own, because it puts everyone they were close to into depression, and the cycle continues. Don't kill yourself, kill a kitten!
Wouldn't that be a selfish attitude on the part of the family? Sure, they would be hurt if the depressive committed suicide, but asking someone to go on living in pain, whether mental or physical, merely because it makes someone else feel better is pretty selfish in itself.xitel said:
In Ohio or something the penalty for jumping off a building is death.gmer412 said:
http://www.dumblaws.com/
WTF!? Anyway. Everyone has the right to choose if they want to commit suicide. I'm not for it, but I can't stop someone if they're at the point.fluffylandmine said:
Well, that physical harm is really as far as we can go legally. We can't start arresting people for making each other sad.xitel said:
Not necessarily. If you look at Hinduism for example you have Sati, which is suicide (although it is not commonly practiced these days). Among old Asatru you had guys charging into conflicts they could not possibly win, actually hoping to be killed so they could get into Valhalla. Religion only takes any stance on suicide because it religion has a complex relationship with death, it is less about the morality aspect of it.gmer412 said:
If you don't mind me asking... why drowning? I mean... jeez that's got to be one of the worst ways to go out.John Tacos said:
I was once considering suicide as a long term solution, just a form of logic that I'm still rather fond of, although the reasons are gone. I just sorta figured that life is a game. Like in a game, the point is to have fun, although there are way to many people out there who take it to seriously. But when the game stops being fun and you have to work a lot, why not just stop playing and quit while you're ahead? I'm lazy, and the concept of death doesn't scare me, so I had a solution ready. Now, the vast increase in fun and human connection in my life has made it more than useless, even if if it sucks a lot more than anticipated, I'll at least try to shoot for riches before exploding.
I don't see why such a suicide should ever be restricted, and I don't like restrictions in general, so just let people do what they want.
I don't see why such a suicide should ever be restricted, and I don't like restrictions in general, so just let people do what they want.
Actually, I heard one theory that the afterlife experience might just be a hallucination that occurs when the brain degrades or deteorates at the rate of the golden ratio. Theoretically it could create an expansive hallucination that could seem to last for an eternity if not a very long time.cuddly_tomato said:
So drowning, bleeding to death, etc... would be ideal ways to go if you bought into that theory.
It's certainly not a positive thing in most cases. However, those of you saying it should be 'not -allowed-'...the only response I can think of, is even if you disagree with -why- someone would commit suicide, that doesn't mean anyone has the right to deny it to them. By all means, a person so depressed as to seriously commit the act should be given help where available, but beyond that, their lives are solely in their hands, bar any other circumstances such as murder etc.
And while it may be that it damages those around them psychologically, how exactly do you reconcile that with a dead person? -_- Or at the very least the determined? Fair enough, as a preventative, i.e.: You kill yourself you are hurting your friends and loved ones. But what if the person has none? Or believes they don't? Can -all- of them be convinced so easily that suicide is the wrong course of action?
And while it may be that it damages those around them psychologically, how exactly do you reconcile that with a dead person? -_- Or at the very least the determined? Fair enough, as a preventative, i.e.: You kill yourself you are hurting your friends and loved ones. But what if the person has none? Or believes they don't? Can -all- of them be convinced so easily that suicide is the wrong course of action?
Then crazy people would still kill themselves without seeking the consultation of anybody before hand.Nimbus said:
Interesting theory, however there is only one way to prove it, and I am not about to try it out!BallPtPenTheif said:
Thing is though, when you commence on the path of self destruction (such as slashing your wrists) don't your self preservation instincts kick in and demand that you take action to save your life? I am talking MAJOR panic alarm bells ringing, unbearable anxiety while you are spraying blood plasma all over the phone you are using to call for an ambulance. If I was going to kill myself I would choose a method that did me in really really really quick. Maybe build myself a guillotine.