No, this is going to be based on a Superman and Batman team up comic series that is leagues better.endtherapture said:
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World's Finest Motha Fucka!
After being bored to death by most of The Dark Knight Rises, and the massive pile of shit that was the Green Lantern, I really lost all interest in a DC movie Universe. Hell, Rises made me put off going to see Man of Steel, I probably won't see this and will just stick to the Arkham games and reading the occasional comic when I'm bored.
That would actually make me happy, but I fear that's not what we're going to get. They used that quote from TDKR at the anouncement, so we're probably going the angle they're going to work. A "VS" movie, rather than something that respects the subtlety of the characters involved. Yes, there is subtlety, and you can get some great stories when the two characters strengths compliment each other.Gordon_4 said:No, this is going to be based on a Superman and Batman team up comic series that is leagues better.endtherapture said:
World's Finest Motha Fucka!
World's Finest, Kingdom Come, hell the team-up from the Bruce Timm animated series....almost ANYTHING but TDKR. C'mon, Snyder, I thought you were better than that.
Seconded. I'm a fan of The Big Blue Boy Scout, and I used to like Batman a lot more than I do now. Team-ups between the two of them have great potential as stories. VS stories are boring, and considering Nolan and Goyer's respective stances on superheroes, it's pretty well spelled out how that confrontation would end.chozo_hybrid said:
Mmmmmmmmmm......... I don't want to see the Batman from DKR coming back with this Super, it will suck if they skip Batman origin movie.
About the flash anouncement WTF ?????? I like flash but seriously WTF why a flash movie to prepare for a JLA movie ..... WHAT ABOUT WONDER WOMAN ? I hope they don't plan to just stick her in the JLA movie, or worst just forget about her, I love D.C. comics characters, loved Man of Steel, and most of the DK movies ( eww DKR ) I hope to see a good JLA Movie WITH WONDER WOMAN.
About the flash anouncement WTF ?????? I like flash but seriously WTF why a flash movie to prepare for a JLA movie ..... WHAT ABOUT WONDER WOMAN ? I hope they don't plan to just stick her in the JLA movie, or worst just forget about her, I love D.C. comics characters, loved Man of Steel, and most of the DK movies ( eww DKR ) I hope to see a good JLA Movie WITH WONDER WOMAN.
Superman was made too powerful in Man of Steel.
Batman (or anyone else, for that matter) would be useless against any enemy that would be a formidable challenge for Superman. If you look at The Dark Knight, he almost lost to a bunch of dogs. What is he going to do if someone like Doomsday or Darkseid comes along? Crap himself?
The Marvel heroes work together really well because everyone is balanced out, there are power level differences but technically, everyone has a shot against everyone.
In The current DC movie "universe", one guy can demolish a city in 5 minutes with is bare hands and the other has a bunch of money and knows martial arts. They either need to reinvent Batman completely or come up with some stupid overly convoluted plot to give him something to do (which is probably what they'll do).
Also, the movie versions of Superman and Batman aren't really people. If there's one thing that Nolan cannot do, it's writing believable characters. He writes archetypes and/or plot devices. Certain characters are there to say and do certain things and that's it. They don't feel real. The Batman movies and Man of Steel had this problem (and while he didn't write the screenplay for MoS, he wrote the story for it and produced it so Goyer was basically his *****).
On the commentary track for The Avengers, Whedon said that a movie like this needs to work on a human level, otherwise it won't work at all. The guy knows what he's saying.
The DC movies don't work on a human level... at all.
Batman (or anyone else, for that matter) would be useless against any enemy that would be a formidable challenge for Superman. If you look at The Dark Knight, he almost lost to a bunch of dogs. What is he going to do if someone like Doomsday or Darkseid comes along? Crap himself?
The Marvel heroes work together really well because everyone is balanced out, there are power level differences but technically, everyone has a shot against everyone.
In The current DC movie "universe", one guy can demolish a city in 5 minutes with is bare hands and the other has a bunch of money and knows martial arts. They either need to reinvent Batman completely or come up with some stupid overly convoluted plot to give him something to do (which is probably what they'll do).
Also, the movie versions of Superman and Batman aren't really people. If there's one thing that Nolan cannot do, it's writing believable characters. He writes archetypes and/or plot devices. Certain characters are there to say and do certain things and that's it. They don't feel real. The Batman movies and Man of Steel had this problem (and while he didn't write the screenplay for MoS, he wrote the story for it and produced it so Goyer was basically his *****).
On the commentary track for The Avengers, Whedon said that a movie like this needs to work on a human level, otherwise it won't work at all. The guy knows what he's saying.
The DC movies don't work on a human level... at all.
I hope that you are correct, those games just got so damn much right!endtherapture said:
They actually got me to pick up some DC books again where for years I only bought Marvel and Vertigo. (Yes I know Vertigo IS DC but when I say DC I'm talking about the cape books.)
First of all, I want to express my disappointment in my fellow forumites here. People, do you have no souls? The title of this thread is so hilarious and yet nobody even mentioned it. Well, I will - I laughed and I laughed hard at it. For the record, there is this thing called slash fiction, the name comes from putting two names in the title separated by a slash. Like Superman/Batman for example.
If you're still not getting it, I'm talking about porn fanfiction. Usually homosexual porn fanfiction. I just laughed so hard at the thought of a porn with these two being announced. And now I'm thinking, what if actually was porn that was announced - some official DC licensed porn movie? I can imagine a fair few fans would still go and see it.
If you're still not getting it, I'm talking about porn fanfiction. Usually homosexual porn fanfiction. I just laughed so hard at the thought of a porn with these two being announced. And now I'm thinking, what if actually was porn that was announced - some official DC licensed porn movie? I can imagine a fair few fans would still go and see it.
Imagine the following - Superman's space shuttle crashes on Earth and kills Bruce Wayne's parents. I'd totally watch that movie.008Zulu said:
The script was horrible, and worse than Iron Man 1/2 and the Avengers at the very least. There. Told.endtherapture said:
How about you start by justifying how Man of Steel's script is better, rather than expecting people to come to you. You're making the proposition, you back it up. My main point will be that with the exclusion of possibly 3-4 lines in the entire movie, every piece of dialogue was extremely typical and there was no human element to any character in the movie. Half the human characters are omniscient and always in control of the situation to an extent that is not believable. For example, there are a multitude of situations in which human characters should be scared a little, if not out of their fucking minds, in which the characters in question remain stupidly stoic and calm.
Although I too like that they showed a bit more of Krypton, probably just so they could show off some special effects, but it was nice nonetheless.
Zack Snyder is my least favorite director, and Man of Steel was aggressively mediocre. I have no interest in seeing this particular iteration of Superman revisited, especially with having to introduce a new Batman as well.
This... I don't know what to think about this. Well, that's not true, it's that I don't see how they could make this work - but they must have some idea, or they wouldn't be trying something that, if it fails, will screw them over MOMENTOUSLY. If they don't cast Batman perfectly, they're screwed. While Snyder is great at the huge spectacular fighting, I don't see him being able to work with Batman. From what I know of his work, Goyer seems singularly weak at writing anything that deals with interpersonal relationships, which is the whole POINT of a Superman/Batman movie - otherwise you would just make two separate Superman and Batman movies. Moreover, the Superman and Batman franchises are both at points where people aren't comfortable with them - Batman will be a new Batman, with a new style, and Man of Steel wasn't really a Superman movie - it was about Clark Kent going through all the character growth he needed to BECOME Superman, plus beating the crud out of alien invaders - there's too many concerns about either franchise for it to be a good idea to let one be dragged down by another, particularly if written poorly
I mean, it's an ambitious idea, and if pulled off, this would be the best way to start up a whole DC Universe thing - it's just that I really don't see how this team could pull this off.
I mean, it's an ambitious idea, and if pulled off, this would be the best way to start up a whole DC Universe thing - it's just that I really don't see how this team could pull this off.
That's honestly what I find hilarious: there is no debate. Superman and Batman have fought 9 times. Superman won 7 of them and nearly killed Batman during some, and the 2 Batman "won" were basically neutralisation effects to either calm him down or stop some mind control effects. He's never actually BEATEN Superman, like to the point where Superman is incapacitated.chozo_hybrid said:
But what I'm hearing is it is going to be a VS. And that makes me sad. These two are best friends, and on their first outing they're going to fight.
Batman/Superman? Hell yes!
But... as a sequel to Man of Steel? That immediately kills all my interest for this team up. I am of the opinion that Superman needs to be 'light', to offset the 'dark' that is modern-day Batman. If Metropolis is an idealized New York City by day, Gotham is a distopian NYC by night. Their heroes should reflect this.
I still consider Superman Returns (aka alt-Supes 3) a better movie than Man of Steel, despite it being rather boring. At least it got the character right.
Superman. Should. Not. Kill.
Yes I know he has killed in the comics occasionally, and probably did so in Superman II, but only as a last effort. The way he casually slaughters Zod in MoS on top of the rather militaristic look of Krypton and the lack of anything resembling hope killed that movie for me.
Bring the MoS-Superman together with a Nolan-like Batman and the film is dark enough to be a black hole.
But... as a sequel to Man of Steel? That immediately kills all my interest for this team up. I am of the opinion that Superman needs to be 'light', to offset the 'dark' that is modern-day Batman. If Metropolis is an idealized New York City by day, Gotham is a distopian NYC by night. Their heroes should reflect this.
I still consider Superman Returns (aka alt-Supes 3) a better movie than Man of Steel, despite it being rather boring. At least it got the character right.
Superman. Should. Not. Kill.
Yes I know he has killed in the comics occasionally, and probably did so in Superman II, but only as a last effort. The way he casually slaughters Zod in MoS on top of the rather militaristic look of Krypton and the lack of anything resembling hope killed that movie for me.
Bring the MoS-Superman together with a Nolan-like Batman and the film is dark enough to be a black hole.
They could write him as the greatest detective ever.HardkorSB said:
But writing intellectually powerful characters is hard. It's just far easier to make them punch stuff.
Well, if it's a whole new universe, Superman could be less powerful. But if it follows Man of Steel...Vausch said:
Although you could always make Superman fight somewhere where he is powerless or something. You could write the fight to go either way and justify it, but from a story-telling standpoint, why make them fight at all?
The conflict should be more about their ideological differences. Different ways of handling crime.
But why not include Wonder Woman there as well, then, and make it about the big three?
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I want a justice league movie, is what I'm saying.
They should make Batman really light in comparison.erbkaiser said:
I want the new Batman-movies to be fun and campy.
But I'm the only one, it seems.
I have no stupid allegiance to one comic universe over the other, but film-wise there's only so much excitement I can muster for the only two characters that can draw box office money (notice I avoided saying "good").
Honestly, it confuses me how you can get Superman wrong. There are plenty of DC characters that can do the big explosions and fuck shit up (tell me Hawkman wouldn't be a great film). With Superman, the story should never be about humanising him - the conflict between his allegiance to Earth or Krypton really doesn't need to be covered anymore. Superman should be perfect in an imperfect world, it should be about the world struggling to accept him in it. It should be people to ask for too much, people (Luthor) who believe that his very presence disrupts human life and should be removed. It should be about how Earth changes by having this individual on it.
Also, Whedon announced the title of Avengers to be "Avengers: Age of Ultron". Supes and Bats rehashes loose next the the wave of anticipation that just swept geekdom.
Honestly, it confuses me how you can get Superman wrong. There are plenty of DC characters that can do the big explosions and fuck shit up (tell me Hawkman wouldn't be a great film). With Superman, the story should never be about humanising him - the conflict between his allegiance to Earth or Krypton really doesn't need to be covered anymore. Superman should be perfect in an imperfect world, it should be about the world struggling to accept him in it. It should be people to ask for too much, people (Luthor) who believe that his very presence disrupts human life and should be removed. It should be about how Earth changes by having this individual on it.
Also, Whedon announced the title of Avengers to be "Avengers: Age of Ultron". Supes and Bats rehashes loose next the the wave of anticipation that just swept geekdom.
Oh that could work, but I doubt DC can pull it off. The guys behind the Marvel movies could certainly get away with this. Plus can you imagine the uproar by the DC-fanboys if Batman is actually funny again, and not a tormented dark near-psychopath?Lieju said:
Maybe this will be a film were Superman decides that Clark Kent is a shitty secret identity and so moves to Gotham to become the Dark Knight. Superman by day and Batman by night!