Supreme Court claims Protesting a soldier's Funeral is protected by 1st amendent

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MaxwellEdison

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1. They don't "claim" to be a religion, they belong to one, no matter how horrible they are. That doesn't stop you from being religious.
2. Honestly, I agree. It's also protected speech to let counter-protests occur, and such things have been occurring for a while. It also makes me happy to note that it's a VERY small group, and every time you hear of them doing something is usually every time they DO do something- they don't have the man power to actually protest funerals 24/7
 

Freeze_L

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I want to punch the Westboro and other whack jobs. But i would never stand for someone to take away their right to be whack jobs.
 

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Canid117 said:
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Canid117 said:
They already have. They get bricks thrown at them and biker gangs keep them a certain distance from such funerals out of respect for the soldiers.
I think it's more "out of respect for the dead" than "for the soldiers". A dead soldier deserves no more respect than a dead anybody else, really. After the Tucson shooting, for example, the bikers guarded the funeral of a 9-year old girl.
True Soldiers was probably a poor choice of words on my part.
It wasn't really that poor a choice of words considering that the WBC managed to really get everyone's goat when they started bringing out the hate at military funerals.

Well, the constitution says that free speech is protected, therefore, no matter how offensive it is, it's protected. We'll see some retaliation from the state, I'm sure, once they take it beyond hurtful slogans.
 

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I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.~ Voltaire

It may not be morally correct, in my opinion, for them to do what they do, but preventing them from doing it, even on charges of harassment, starts a very slippery slope that I cannot see leading anywhere good.
 

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Yeah I'll agree with the Supreme Court on this one. Westboro might be the worst family on the damn planet but they represent the worst form of the first ammendment, the bigoted zealot preaching hatred that no-one with half a brain would agree with. Free-speech is a double edged sword, you can say whatever the fuck you want, but you have to also tolerate these people to a certain degree. When the WBC crosses that line I'll be a happy man.
 

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It's absolutely fucking amazing how quickly people turn when they're on the other side of a First Amendment issue.
 

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ranyilliams said:
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This.

Seriously people need to stop complaining about other people "opinions". The reason they are called opinions is because they are not shared by everyone.
I'm not so sure you would respect other people's "opinions" if they were forcing them in your face at a brother/sister/mom/dad/dog's funeral.

Did you even read the thread?
Actually yes I did, and if people were doing this at any of my relatives funerals, i would ignore them. This kind of thing happens in life. get over it. getting upset because idiots are protesting at a funeral for someone who is fighting for their freedom is just ludicrous. the people protesting are selfish over-opinionated bigots who are grossly misinformed. Getting upset over what those idiots think is a waste of time. If they want to waste their lives protesting at funerals let them do it, and don't care, and don't listen...then they wont be able to get the message across if nobody would listen.
To be completely honest, I envy you.

The idiots were planning to protest the young girls funeral (happened about ten minutes from my house), I was livid. You may be able to ignore the crap that goes on in life, and I really wish I could too.
 

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Neither would I. I'd probably start hitting people. But it's not my job to interpret the Constitution and keep us in an equal and free America. That's why nine Justices of high merit are chosen. I hate Westboro as much as anyone. That's why I'm just a civilian.
I think most people would feel similarly. In which case this is just yet another obvious point as to how flawed our government is right now.
 

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Torn on the matter..

Though I will say this. People seem to forget that free speech does not override the pursuit of human dignity.

In short, a living ideology (political, religious and social) is fair game, a human's dignity is specifically out of bounds. I mean if you picket events like this what exactly are you trying to say?

People all too quickly rally under the banner of rights, but forget that rights mean nothing if there is not an equal or greater willingness to fight for basic responsibilities that should be expected by all.

One namely being that all must respect the individual and never deny the individual their sense of entitlement or dignity.

Society wouldn't function without the majority of people recognising that in order for rights to exist there must be a majority who recognise that it comes at the cost of responsibility
 

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yet another epic fail by the US courts..
how is it in any ones right to protest another persons funeral ?
he was a person before he was a soldier, and just because he served an institution that they dont agree with doesnt give them the right to protest his laying to rest by his family. out of respect for his services other military persons would have been present, but this does not account to it being a military act. this is still another human beings departure from the world and should be given all the respect that any and all persons deserve.

An eye for an eye: people need to protest burials of people from this church then. The major difference is it isnt as obvious when someone else is buried. Only because this man was a soldier made it easier to recoginise he was being buried. As for members of this "church" how would any one differentiate between them annd another "average" joe ? That and i would be bold as to say these "church" members funerals would probably be pretty small as only other "church" members would attend, and no one else will miss these types when they are gone to begin with...

The saddest part is most soldiers are from the poorest neighbourhoods to begin with and never had much of a future outside of military service. So in attempt to achieve something positive, instead of sitting on unemployment or turning to crime they take up arms in the name of their country. Only to be treated as trash by a bunch of "looneys" to cowardly to defnd themselves, and so immoral as to disrepct another mans funeral.

I often wonder what would happen if all western governments did infact withdraw their soldiers and deplete the military budget. My moneys on maybe a week, maybe a month or two at most before another "extremeist" country starts world war three. Then these same people that attacked the military will be up in arms, crying out for someone to save them.
 

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People who are offended by wbc must believe that they speak for God, thats the only explanation I can think of. I haven't seen any of them with signs saying "I hate fags" only "God hates fags."

whos wasting more time? wbc or people complaining about them? answer: both.

also, these are hilarious: http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-3o-best-anti-westboro-baptist-church-protest-s

Fantastic news that the first amendment is being upheld though.

I'm going to preemptively defend myself by saying that I believe that the stance of "hating fags" wrong and ignorant.

imperialwar said:
yet another epic fail by the US courts
yeah its so annoying when they uphold the constitution. (sarcasm mode: ON)
 

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Canebrake said:
What happened to breaking the peace?

Seriously.
breaking the peace is if they tried to incite a riot they have peaceful if noisey protests so they are legally protected.
 

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I personally think that decision sucks. Free speech is all well and good, but there is such a thing as going too far - which protesting at a funeral, a time of mourning, obviously is.
 

Choppaduel

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Torn on the matter..

Though I will say this. People seem to forget that free speech does not override the pursuit of human dignity.

In short, a living ideology (political, religious and social) is fair game, a human's dignity is specifically out of bounds. I mean if you picket events like this what exactly are you trying to say?

People all too quickly rally under the banner of rights, but forget that rights mean nothing if there is not an equal or greater willingness to fight for basic responsibilities that should be expected by all.

One namely being that all must respect the individual and never deny the individual their sense of entitlement or dignity.

Society wouldn't function without the majority of people recognising that in order for rights to exist there must be a majority who recognise that it comes at the cost of responsibility
wow... well said. I think though, that dignity is better served when a person has the right to say what they believe without fear of reprisal from a group with more inherit power than an individual, than it is by silencing radical opinions in order to spare the insecure and easily manipulated individuals who lack the thick skin to realize that their accusers words actually have no weight.

I would suffer more by not being permitted to express my views than I would by being perpetually insulted.

on that note, FUCK THE WBC! and I'm so glad I can say that.
 

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it might be protected by law but you should at least have some decency!
those soldiers died for what they believed for and THIS is how you treat them?
the bikers have more respect for the dead people then these pseudo religious people!
 

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imperialwar said:
yet another epic fail by the US courts
yeah its so annoying when they uphold the constitution. (sarcasm mode: ON)[/quote]

and thats why im happy to live in australia where the government isnt affraid to say "dude that wasnt cool"
 

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Easton Dark said:
Just get huge banners in favor of the funeral (sounds morbid, but you know what I mean) and just stand in front of and behind those protestors.

Freedom of speech means nothing if no one can see or hear you.
lol I like this idea

just rent one of those fences to wrap around the area for the funeral...and throw some banners or whatever on the fence
 

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Jack of Spades said:
A small group of people, who claim to be a religion, protested a soldier funeral. Having signs calls the fallen man a murder. The family of the solider wanted legal action taken against this group. In an 8 to 1 decision from the Supreme Court this protest was protected by the 1st amendment.The group is now planning to protest more funerals.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20110302/pl_yblog_exclusive/courts-ruling-in-funeral-protest-case-restates-first-amendment-principles

The law may protect these f*ck jobs, but one day they'll push their luck too far.
You seem to hate the Religion and Politics section. PM a mod ot get it moved there. We don't need poorly written political posts clogging up this section.